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31921  Theology / Prophecy - Current Events / Re:Could this be the False Phophet? on: April 12, 2004, 09:40:56 PM
O sorry DreamWeaver are you a Jew? Smiley
No, my roots go back to England, Italy, France, Germany,Ireland, and Scotland.  Grin
And I have just found out, one of my ancesters was born in  Akko, Palestine. So I may have Jewish blood in me. She was  born in 1272. EEK!!  Grin
31922  Theology / Prophecy - Current Events / Re:Rebuilding of Jerusalem on: April 12, 2004, 12:32:35 AM

Do you have any contributions to add to this?


Everything I could add has been covered.  Cry
31923  Theology / Prophecy - Current Events / Re:The United Nations on: April 12, 2004, 12:30:32 AM
Part 2

The mission of the World Council is as follows:

The World Council of Religious and Spiritual Leaders aims to serve as a model and guide for the creation of a community of world religions. It seeks to inspire women and men of all faiths in the pursuit of peace and mutual understanding. It will undertake initiatives to provide the spiritual resources of the world’s religious traditions to assist the United Nations and its agencies in the prevention, resolution and healing of conflicts, and in addressing global social and environmental problems. By promoting the practice of the universal human values shared by all religious traditions, and by uniting the human community for times of world prayer and meditation, the Council seeks to aid in developing the inner qualities and external conditions needed for the creation of a more peaceful, just and sustainable world society.

Council Structure

The Steering Committee acknowledged a dual role for the Council – one focused on inner transformation for the improvement of the world, and another that addresses the external conditions leading to conflict and injustice. The Council will need to include religious leaders from the contemplative traditions with knowledge of how to bring about inner change, as well as those committed to conflict resolution and programs of social action.

It was agreed that the Summit Secretariat will select the interim co-chairs to help set up the initial meeting of the Council. As each religious tradition includes a range of denominations, the interim co-chairs should have the backing of their religious tradition. They will help nominate religious leaders for participation on the Council. At the initial meeting of the Council, co-chairs for the first two-year term will be selected.

Criteria for participation includes a commitment to the global interreligious work of the Council, the degree of authority wielded by their position within the religious world, and their ability to contribute to the contemplative or peacebuilding/social action goals of the Council. Some may not hold positions of senior authority within their religious tradition (i.e., as will be the case with most women), but their spiritual achievements may warrant a position on the Council.

The Council will initially consist of approximately 50-75 religious leaders, representing the major faith traditions as well as indigenous traditions, and all regions of the world.

A small Group of Experts will be created, which will include internationally recognized scholars of religion. This group will help draft the Charter for the Council.

An Advisory Board of 12 to 15 business, government and thought leaders will also be selected to help create the bridge between religion, government and the financial community. This board will help raise the funds to implement the programs of the Council. An operating budget would be developed once the Council gets underway.

Responding to World Situation

A key question was asked during the meeting of the Steering Committee regarding how the Council, if it were already established, could respond to the events of September 11th. A number of recommendations were made, ranging from organizing world prayers, to issuing public statements, to taking out advertisements disavowing any connection between Islam and the terrorist activities. One participant mentioned that communications would be an important function of the Council. For the Council to be effective, it will need a strong communications platform. The purpose of the Council is to raise the voices of religious leaders – in some degree of unison. This would be the function of the Secretariat of the Council, which would serve as a coordinating body among the Council members, to ensure that strong public statements are issued in response to critical events.

Another response of the Council to the current world situation could be to put together a task force to visit Afghanistan and identify a few key religious leaders from the region to work with the Council as part of the international community. Just as political leaders are reaching out to Afghanistan’s new government, religious leaders will now have a body through which to function on a global platform.

Next Steps – Meeting of Council at United Nations in Bangkok

Due to concern over growing religious tensions in Asia, it was suggested that the first meeting of the Council take place in Asia. Since the headquarters of the United Nations in Asia is in Bangkok, it was agreed that we would seek to have this first Council meeting at the United Nations ESCAP facility in Bangkok. Meetings were held with UN officials in Bangkok after the October meeting of the Steering Committee, and they welcomed the idea of holding the Council meeting there. Mahachulalongkornrajavidyalaya University in Bangkok has agreed to serve as a co-host. The Summit Secretariat will work with the UN and the university to organize all the logistics of the 3-day meeting. The basic goal is to develop better understanding of the underlying causes for the religious tension in different parts of Asia and how the religions can address these causes.

The dates selected for the first meeting of the Council are June 12-14, 2002. The interim co-chairs are helping with the selection of religious leaders to this first meeting of the Council. Invitation letters will go out in February. The Experts Group will help prepare the Charter for the Council and aid in the development of background material for the agenda.

The Summit Secretariat will work with the co-chairs and Steering Committee members in the development of the list of invitees for the first Council meeting and in the preparation of the meeting program.

Sorry Dale I had Nelson Mandela for a different post  Cry
31924  Theology / Prophecy - Current Events / Re:The United Nations on: April 12, 2004, 12:28:41 AM
Formation of World Council of Religious and Spiritual Leaders
Report of Steering Committee Meeting and Plan for Initial Meeting of Council

Objectives of Steering Committee Meeting

One of the stated goals of the Millennium World Peace Summit of Religious and Spiritual Leaders that took place at the United Nations in August 2000 was to set in motion the process for the formation of a World Council of Religious and Spiritual Leaders. This Council will be a permanent body and function as a resource for the Secretary-General and the United Nations in their efforts to build a lasting peace.

The growth in interfaith activity over the last decade leading up to the Summit has already laid much of the groundwork for such a Council. The unique role of the World Peace Summit of Religious and Spiritual Leaders is to forge an alliance of religious and spiritual leaders with the United Nations, an ideal forum in which to address world problems. The outcome of the Summit was the signing of a Commitment to Global Peace, in which religious leaders accepted religious diversity, condemned all violence perpetrated in the name of religion, and committed themselves to fostering mutual respect among their communities. These principles will be the foundation for the Council.

During the World Peace Summit, numerous small group meetings were held to discuss the process for establishing a World Council of Religious and Spiritual Leaders. It was agreed that a Steering Committee should be established to think through the mission, structure and activities of this Council.

On October 22-24, 2001, with the support of the Better World Fund, approximately twenty-five religious and spiritual leaders from the major faith traditions and many regions of the world came together at the Rockefeller Brothers Conference Center in Pocantico Hills, New York. Because the meeting came upon the heels of the devastating events of September 11th, tragically perpetrated by religious extremists, a number of the Steering Committee members from the Middle East and Asia could not join the meeting in person but did participate by telephone.

The objectives of the Steering Committee meeting were to:

•   Assess the need for a World Council of Religious and Spiritual Leaders;
•   Explore how a Council would be structured and funded;
•   Discuss how the Council could respond to the current world crisis; and
•   Determine next steps.

Need for a World Council

Currently, no organizational body exists where religious leaders from the major faith traditions can come together to provide guidance to the human community on critical issues. Today, as they have for centuries, religious voices speak out individually, each addressing their own religious community. There is no means for issuing joint statements to demonstrate the convergence of the religious traditions on key matters.

While these voices often express similar ideas and values, they tend to reach only the adherents of their respective faiths. Stronger collaboration by the religious leadership would positively impact the global community. There was consensus among the Steering Committee that world circumstances in the one year since the Summit – the increase in violence in the Middle East and the terror attacks of September 11 – have heightened the need and readiness of religious communities for a World Council, which could provide a stimulus for greater cooperation.

A main function of the Council would be to build a community of world religions to serve as a model and guide for the nations and peoples of the world.

Mission of the Council

The Steering Committee identified four major thrusts for the Council:

•   Fostering the universal values intrinsic to all religions.
•   Upholding and celebrating religious and ethnic diversity by cultivating an attitude of mutual respect.
•   Employing the moral power of religion to address major social and environmental challenges.
•   Encouraging times of world prayer and meditation to aid in the transformation in global consciousness toward greater unity

Post-September 11th, religious leaders recognize the need to move beyond what they have done in the past and to create a new entity that will serve the entire world community with a new vision that includes an acceptance of others. Isolated religious communities will no longer be able to achieve this larger human goal on their own. The mandate is to see all faiths as part of one family. The need is to transform religious points of view from an exclusive to inclusive way of thinking. As the Archbishop of Canterbury said in a recent conversation, “We need to redefine our theologies for the modern age.” While it may not yet be clear what this “redefining” entails, the movement emerging from the Summit, and quickened by the events of September 11, is toward a refocusing on what the religions have in common, rather that how they differ.

This refocusing will enable religious communities to engage with each other in a way that promotes harmony rather than division. An easing of religious tensions will provide the human community with a greater capacity to address the true problems of our era.

The formation of a community of world religions will be the essential mission of a newly created World Council of Religious and Spiritual Leaders. Its activities will be geared toward building cooperation at the highest level across all faith traditions. The Council will provide opportunities for the world’s religious leaders to come together on a regular basis to address critical issues. Ultimately, it will help create a shift in the thinking and behavior of people, and aid in fostering greater acceptance of other traditions and a new sense of shared global responsibility.

Religious leaders have a unique asset – their spiritual resources. An important function of the Council will entail fostering spiritual practices on a global scale – such as world prayers in times of crisis.

Part 2 is in the next post
31925  Prayer / Answered Prayer / Re:Nothing is too small for God!!! on: April 04, 2004, 07:20:07 AM
I had to walk into town today (8 miles round trip,) it was raining and hailing. I got what I needed from the store and started back home. About half a mile from the store I asked God[/b] if he would stop the rain and hail long enough for me to get home. Guess what, it stopped raining and hailing. The moon came out and I had a light all the way home, (via full moon.) The whole trip took me five hours.

Praise God[/b] in the highest.

The reason my trip took so long you are wondering. I am physcially disabled.
31926  Theology / Prophecy - Current Events / Re:The United Nations on: April 01, 2004, 10:23:29 PM
Reading your post on the U.N. neither weakened nor strengthened my opinion.  The U.N. is the most dangerous threat to freedom and U.S. sovereignty since the Soviet Union.  God willing, a blue and white flag will not fly over my home as long as I am able to physically defend my home.  To me, that blue and white flag is the next worst thing to 666.  In fact, it could be the next step toward the mark.
I agree with you, a blue and white will not fly over my home. The U.N. is the biggest threat to any sovereignty that does not agree, to the U.N., unfortanly.
But in my opinion (yes I have beileved this for many years,) The U.N. is a threat to the United States and England. When other countries do something wrong they say, Bad Boy now don't do it again. The United States and England do something wrong is curse you osksbliauo;jvi!$%% blah, blah. Then the fines come, why aren't the other countries fined?? Who knows.
31927  Entertainment / Politics and Political Issues / Re:NEVER WERE ANY WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION IN IRAQ on: March 31, 2004, 10:44:04 PM
im a strange dude the morning i saw the towers go down i felt as though this was it the beginning of prophecy in Babylon, some how all this needed to happen to stage the final act . Cry

and as far as bush lieing im not sure , but his purpose was to fight terror and its roots wether or not he had weapons of mass destruction, he wanted to go in, and we should have , but when the cia said they had the weapons now he could convince the liberals that we needed to go in. see we all understand it
 wasnt about womans rights in iraq
not about his dad
 not about oil
 not about weapons
not about anyother reason
 its about a war thats been going on for ever between the terrorist and the jewish people and the united states has finnally joined the war on terror.
No BUTCHA it is about fulfilling prophecy.
31928  Entertainment / Politics and Political Issues / Re:NEVER WERE ANY WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION IN IRAQ on: March 30, 2004, 02:58:10 PM
Have any of you though Bush is fulfilling Prophecy??

Saddam’s removal clears way for rebuilding Babylon.
The city of Babylon, located on the Euphrates River in modern Iraq, is mentioned almost 300 times in the Bible. It is consistently portrayed as a place of rebellion and pride. Scripture informs us that in the end times, Babylon will be rebuilt into a great city that will serve as a commercial and religious capital for the Antichrist.
The ousting of Saddam from power has resulted in a lifting of sanctions and limitations on Iraqi oil sales. As the “nation-building” continues, billions of dollars will begin to flood into Iraq, making the rebuilding of Babylon as a major economic center for the Middle East (and the rest of the world) a real possibility.
One of the key signs of the End Times is the rebuilding of Babylon--a city mentioned 42 times in the Book of Revelation. Modern Babylon sits just 60 miles south of Baghdad in the heart of Iraq. With the arrival of peace and Western powers eager to "nation build," the time is ripe for Babylon to rise again. In the final days Babylon will serve as a great economic, commercial, and political center for the Antichrist's empire.
31929  Theology / Prophecy - Current Events / The United Nations on: March 30, 2004, 03:28:23 AM
I am not sure this is where this should go.

Less than 20 years after the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) was founded, World War II had arrived and once that war was over, America was ready to join "the League of Nations."
America sat down in San Francisco with Alger Hiss and joined the United Nations, the successor to the League of Nations - Alger Hiss, a charter member of the CFR; Alger Hiss, whose sympathy with communism can no longer be denied. The UN charter and constitution is a thin paraphrasing of the Soviet model which Alger Hiss borrowed from when he coauthored it. The U.N. constitution is therefore a Marxist socialist paradigm.
The United Nations' 18 acres of prime Manhattan land was donated by the Rockefeller family (the CFR's chairman is David Rockefeller).

World regionalism is spelled out clearly in the U.N. Charter, Chapters 8 through 11, using such terms as "regional arrangements, intergovernmental agreements, and metropolital areas." Advocates of one-world socialism have already divided the world into 85 regions for policing purposes. In adopting the U.N. Charter, Congress has established the Charter as the Supreme Law of the land (Fugi v. State of California, 1950-52).
By Executive Decree No. 11647 on March 27, 1969 President Nixon announced the United States was divided into 10 Federal regions, each controlled by an appointed bureaucrat for the stated purpose of improving coordination of the activities of all levels of government. The goal of regional or metropolitan government is to eventually merge the U.S. into the "New World Order" - a one world socialist state under the United Nations. The 10 federal regions will be empowered to control all forms of regionalism within the U.S.. Regional divisions supplementing the 10 federal regions include state subregions, federal reserve regions, population regions, and regions to control the land, water and natural resources of America. On February 12, 1972 President Nixon issued Executive Order 11647 which authorized the staffing of the 10 regional governments. Regional government is a plan to eventually control all facets of our lives. Executive Order 11490 assigns numerous emergency preparedness functions to federal departments.

American Philosophy vs. the New World Order Conspiracy
Financing of regional governments is acquired through Federal Revenue sharing. Revenue sharing is a mechanism whereby the state and local governments become financially dependent upon the federal government. Pressure can then be applied to any level of state government that refuses to comply with the dictates of the regional government rulers. All but 1 of the 10 federal regional capitals is either a Federal Reserve Bank or branch bank city.

The following are just some of the policies of the United Nations:
1. Control of all zoning matters in the United States and the control of our national parks, rivers and historical sites.
2. Control over whether women are allowed to have babies.
3. Control over the economic and judicial policies of all nations.
4. Programs are being processed to create a tax on citizens of the United States as a permanent method of UN funding.
5. The United Nation has its own Army and United States soldiers must swear allegiance to this foreign government. Remember Michael New.

This is the "One World Government" that Strobe Talbot and Bill Clinton has been promoting. This is a "government" that allows as members terrorist states, ethnic cleansers like China (remember Tibet) and nations that allow slavery (Sudan) as members.
The U.S. Senate overwhelmingly approved a bill recently authorizing the payment of more than $800 million in back dues to the United Nations.
We are in the midst of a propaganda campaign desired to scare us and encourage us to see things the way The Order sees them. Since another great depression and financial crisis is almost certain, the nations should move now to organize themselves into a One World Economic Order to insure that even though such a calamity may occur, there will be "a reconstitution of a meaningful international monetary system.

31930  Theology / Prophecy - Current Events / Re:Could this be the False Phophet? on: March 30, 2004, 03:26:58 AM
O sorry DreamWeaver are you a Jew? Smiley
No, my roots go back to England, Italy, France, Germany,Ireland, and Scotland.  Grin
31931  Theology / Debate / Re:'The Lord's Prayer': Version vs. Version on: March 30, 2004, 01:15:43 AM
Although this is commonly called ‘The Lord’s Prayer’, it should be called “The Disciple’s Prayer”, since it is how the disciples were instructed by Jesus to pray.  However, that’s not my point.  Please compare the two versions below:

Mat. 6:9-13 (KJV)
After this manner therefore pray ye:
Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread.
And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, forever. Amen.

Mat. 6:9-13 (NIV)
"This, then, is how you should pray:
" 'Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name,
your kingdom come, your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
Give us today our daily bread.
Forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors.
And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one.

Notice something missing?  I’ve always been taught to begin and end all prayer with worship, and to always close my prayer (Amen!).  Why does the NIV leave out the final line of worship as well as the closure?  Can someone help me out here?

(FYI, Along the KJV, the AMP, NKJV, NASB and NLV all have the ending worship and closure.  But as the NIV, the NLT does not.)

After this manner therefore pray ye:
Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread.
And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, forever. Amen.

This is the prayer I know.
31932  Theology / Debate / Re:Abortion: Right or Wrong? on: March 30, 2004, 01:13:34 AM
I know I am more then likely to say this but.
Abortion is murdering a innocent human being created in Gods image. It has been proven that the unborn are alive, and moving in the womb of the woman.
31933  Theology / Prophecy - Current Events / Temple Mount News on: March 30, 2004, 01:07:29 AM
Various groups continue to push Jerusalem even closer to its foretold role in the End Times. Private efforts are underway to not only rebuild the temple but to restore Israel to its original borders. Even more ominous, new plans for a Palestinian peace settlement may even herald the arrival of the Antichrist.
Standing today in what Jews believe is the historical location of the first two, is the Al-Aqsa Mosque  - the third holiest site in Islam . To recognize it as the only possible rebuilt Temple, or to even seriously attempt to tear it down to replace it, both constitute seemingly unresolvable religious and thus political problems. Nonetheless, the idea of rebuilding some Temple somewhere is difficult to abandon entirely:
For the last 1900 years, Jews have prayed that God would allow for the rebuilding of the Temple. This prayer is a formal part of the thrice daily Jewish prayer services.
However, not all rabbis  agree on what would happen in a rebuilt Temple. It has traditionally just been assumed that some sort of animal sacrifices would be reinstituted, in accord with the rules in Leviticus  and the Talmud . However there is another opinion, beginning with Maimonides , that God  deliberately has moved Jews away from sacrifices towards prayer, as prayer is a higher form of worship. Thus, some rabbis hold that sacrifices would not take place in a rebuilt Temple. Rabbi Abraham Isaac Kook , the first chief rabbi of the Jewish community in pre-state Israel , holds that sacrifices will not be reinstituted.
A few very small Jewish groups today support constructing a Third Temple today, but most Jews oppose this, for a variety of reasons. Most religious Jews feel that the Temple should only be rebuilt in the messianic era, and that it would presumptuous of people to force God's hand, as it were. Further, there are many ritual impurity constrictions that are difficult to resolve, making the building's construction a practical impossibility.
Additionally, many Jews are against rebuilding the Temple due to the enormously hostile reaction from all Arab and Muslim nations that would likely result - even were the building to be complementary to those holy to Islam , there would be high suspicion that such a building project would ultimately end with the destruction of these and the rebuilding of the Temple on its original spot.
Some fundamentalist and evangelical Christian  groups, especially those who follow a dispensationalist  theology, believe that the Jewish people will build the Third Temple shortly before, or perhaps after, "true" Christians have been raptured

As you know my brothers and sisters, Jerusalem temple must be rebuilt to fulfill prophecy.

Brothers and sisters, I would like to hear your input please.
31934  Theology / Prophecy - Current Events / Re:Could this be the False Phophet? on: March 30, 2004, 01:00:56 AM
In my opinion Uri Geller is just a wanna be False Prophet.
He is almost as bad as Rabbi Chaim Richman, who says, "The reason why Jews like myself do not accept Jesus as the messiah is a very basic one - we do not see that he fulfilled any of the requirements for the job. If he never qualified, it is not even a question of rejection. G-d (His saying not mine) outlined these requirements in the Bible. The identity of the messiah is not up to you or me; it is up to his performance to prove"

Talk about a bad man  Cry
I hope and pray that these Jews see that God loves them and that, They learn Jesus is the messiah  Grin
31935  Fellowship / You name it!! / It depends whose hands it is in... on: March 28, 2004, 01:48:01 AM
A basketball in my hands is worth about $19.
A basketball in Michael Jordan's hands is worth about $33 million.
It depends whose hands it's in.

A baseball in my hands is worth about $6.
A baseball in Mark McGwire's hands is worth $19 million.
It depends whose hands it's in.

 A tennis racket is useless in my hands.
A tennis racket in Venue Williams' hands is a Championship Winning.
It depends whose hands it's in.

A rod in my hands will keep away a wild animal.
A rod in Moses' hands will part the mighty sea.
It depends whose hands it's in.

A sling shot in my hands is a kid's toy
A sling shot in David's hand is a mighty weapon.
It depends whose hands it's in.

Two fish and 5 loaves of bread in my hands is a couple of fish sandwiches.
Two fish and 5 loaves of bread in God's hands will feed thousands.
It depends whose hands it's in.

Nails in my hands might produce a birdhouse
Nails in Jesus Christ's hands will produce salvation for the entire world.
It depends whose hands it's in.

As you see now it depends whose hands it's in.
So put your concerns, your worries, your fears, your hopes, your dreams, your families and your relationships in God's hands because...

It depends whose hands it's in.  Grin
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