Amen!

please dont think that i am being nasty as i dont mean this like that, but when you are a man and looking at issues like this it is only natural that you cannt understand the trauma that a woman goes through  when making the choices.

while i agree that life is precious and a gift as well for many. for some it can be the most traumatic things a woman can go through. in fact carrying the child and then giving it  up for adoption can be worse than a abortion for the mother to be, even tho i know of many that would to make wonderful parents but are unable to have children themselves sadly.

i spent months asking for forgivenes when i had my abortion even tho i wasnt really given any choice in the matter, even now it hurts still and this is a few years on.

 guys while i respect your opinions and your comments i am sorry but i have to say that you are looking at it as well from a mans perspective as well as a scriptual perspective. 

while i would never encourage anyone to go against the scriptures i do believe that we all have choices to make in life and this for me was the hardest thing i ever had to do, and i pray i never go through the heart ache like that again.

i agree that many dont like to listen to gods word but he himeslf gave us the choice to listen to him or not to, and it is up to us what we do in that matter!
 
me i would love to have another child but after my abortion i found out that it was my last chance to have children, so every day i ask myself if i made the right choice to terminate and put my 2 sons, now aged 6 and 8, first!  personally i dont know and i will never know and yes i am heart broken each time i hear another family member being excited as i wish i was to, but that is what my lord has chosen for me and i accept that! some times i wonder if it was a punishment from him for past wrongs.  i know that one day i will find out and who knows perhaps a miracle will happen and my prayers will be answered but only my lord knows the answer to that.   

i genuinly dont mean to sound nasty on this matter and if it comes across like that then i apologise but it is a subject that is close to my heart

love to you

jo

didnt realise you had such an issue with a word used so have amended it, apologies but it was done in the moment and typed as i thought at the time

If you killed a child, you are same as rapist that rape you. (I'm sorry for saying that! BUT!)
Really, go ahead treat you child as trash if you want. Point is, as long a child know the Lord and his son, plus the purpose,  and orders from the Lord.

hang on a min

my daughter was the result of brutal  gang rape that left me in hospital for months  and i dont care what you think about the subject of rapists, i know how hard it is to carry a child that you dont want, and then have to look at it and even tho you love it, the reminder is there of what happened.

it is far harder to deal with then having an abortion and i know from experience. i went through depression and wanted to just end it all, and many times i got close to it and i am not proud of that fact but i managed to get through it and look after my daughter and enjoy the precious little time i had with her.

not everyone treats a child as trash as you put it, some are not emotionally able to handle the situation and we have no right to judge anyone for the choices they make

the only one that has the right to judge our choices in life is our lord, and i will not judge anyone that has made that hard decision to terminate a pregnancy as i know myself how hard it is.  some seem to think it is easy, well it isnt at all.

love to you
jo

It sounds like more than I would want to even try. I'll be glad to serve the coffee though.

me to.  cream and sugar anyone?  shall i be mother and pour the coffee?   

its a beautiful day here, the sun is shining and the birds are singing and i am up again to sing the lords praises ,and not to mention the fact i am counting the days till i travel to see my big bro in charlotte.

oh the lord is good 

what was the one i learned as a child?

oh yes

peter pepper picked a peck o pickled peppers

a peck o pickled peppers peter piper picked

if peter piper picked a peck o pickled peppers

where the peck o pickled peppers peter piper picked

thankyou island boy for those kind words of welcome

thankyou pastor roger i had a good day at work although tiring as i have only been home about an hour. .

while i agree that some are worried about being with children as there is the possibility of false alegations being made ther rules are strict that 2 people have to be in a room, 2 adults that is, to prevent things like this happning.  the nearest church to that has a sunday school is quite a distance away and it is hard to do that trip every week when not only is it the distance but the fact that often i am home after working a night shift at a weekend and the last thing i want to be doing is driving from a safety point of view.

island boy i can remember my sunday school as well and it sounds like mine was similar to yours even tho it seems many years ago.  i do what i can with regards to my children and i hope that i lead by example  in my daily life but at the end of the day it will be their choice.

at work we always have a family service which everyone is invited to attend, from restbite care residents to daily residents and their families if they want to as well.  this we have once a week as we believe that even tho many have handicaps in different forms they are all loved in both our eyes and the lords as well

love to you all.  please excuse me while i go rest.

jo

hey the bit i just dont get is that we are told not to kill but we do kill when we used to offer sacrifices and  to me i find that strange.

but having said that i am a vegatarian and i dont believe anything should be killed is life is so precious no matter if it is animal or not.

i can just see why people do have abortions and it is no easy thing to do for many people.

again this is one subject i think we have to agree to disagree on.

love to you friend

jo

The world is going to be an ugly, violent, and evil place with rivers of blood, but JESUS CHRIST will defeat and put away evil for judgment.


in many ways it already is

i look forwards to the day when we have peace and live as brothers ad sisters side by side regardless of gender colour or race

jo

I cannot speak for the schools in the UK as I am not personally familiar with them. All I can say is what the news tells me and we both know how the news can be biased. As for schools in the U.S. I can personally attest to the fact that the large majority of them push evolution as a fact not a theory thereby calling God a liar, they push free sex and abortion, they do not allow the viewpoints of God (unless it is allah), their teachings are totally humanistic and against God. The textbooks even remove any mention of God even in an historical viewpoint of how God had to do with the founding of this nation.

Yes, there may be churches that are failing to do their part also but it is parents that allow their children to be exposed to the humanistic viewpoints that is ultimately the cause. The Bible tells us that it is the parents responsibility to insure that children are brought up in the ways of the Lord, not in worldly ways. It is the parents that will be held accountable by God.

as a parent myself i have to say it is hard to bring your child up in the ways of the lord when you have the ones you should be able to turn to not helping you.  doesnt the lord say come to me you children?   then why doesnt the church cater here for the young more than thy do?

if they did then we would see families returning to church.  i know of 12 familes here that used to go to church but as soon as the church stopped catering for children they left and stay at home now on a sunday.  we do meet and have worship together at friends houses but only as we can cater for the children.

me i wish i could discuss this further but i have to go to work, and ironically i work with handicapped children and young adults.

jo

pour me another cup o coffee, cos its the  best in the land, and i'll put a quarter in the juke box, and play the truck driving man

sowwy guys i in a blooming happy mood today and nothing is going to spoil it.  the sun is out the sky blue and my lord is in my heart

I agree completely.

The problem goes far beyond just the churches. Parents allow their children to be taught by those that are opposed to God and churches. Our children have been indoctrinated in this manner by public schools for many, many years and now many of those are adults having children and they are adding to this problem by not having their children in a church at all. They are taught to disregard the teachings of the Bible and that their version of science is true and factual and the Bible is wrong. They are being taught that sin is not sin. Without the proper understanding of sin or life there is no conviction and there is no need for them to go to church. We are indeed witnessing the great falling away.

oh hang on now

i was at a school that was a church of england school and then later a very strict girls school. i was at a public school.  they were very strict when it came to religion and my boys school is the same. 

not once have i seen a school teach the pupils to disregard the bible or listen to science only.  instead i ahve ehard them tech that we should have our minds open and decide for ourselves

if the problem is the teaching then why doesnt more churches cater for young children? why dont they encourage activities for them during the week so they cam meet in a place of safety?  like i said my local church is one such example where we have no sunday school for children, no week activities for children!  if there is nothing for the children then how can we expect them to attend?  would you attend something that you didnt like or didnt cater for you? i know i wouldnt!

parents have to do what thay are told when it comes to education but they have a choice about what church to attend and who would send their child to church if they knew the church did not cater for them?  i certainly wouldnt.  i would expect my children to be catered for as children as youth is so precious

with regards to ireland i think we will have to agree to disagree as i know people who was there and did carry out killings and while i dont agree with what they did i do understand why thy did it.

as for the religion well i happen to know many who study the koran and i have not found one here in the uk yet that says it is ok to kill.  instead many have the opposit view.  perhaps they are just living ny our laws? who knows but what i do know is that these that live near to me are wonderful friendly people who hate violence in any form

again i think we will have to agree to disagree here

i agree totally..  when the family are home the house is full of laughter.  me and the daughter often have tickle fights and take the mickey out of each other in a harmless way, her dad joins in and her mum stands laughing.

laughter is god for you anyway.  it gets the heart pumping which bringe oxygen to the brain, opens  arteries and makes you feel good.

[Things have definitely changed over the last 50 years in terms of how many people are willing to volunteer to do anything. There used to be more volunteers than they could use 50 years ago in all areas, but the volunteers are pretty sparse in many places now. There are all kinds of excuses to avoid volunteer work of any kind, including church.]

Hello Angel,

You might have to look, but I think there are still many churches with comprehensive programs for people of all ages and people with varying maturity levels in Bible Study. Most of the churches I know about still have Sunday School, Bible classes for children in specific age groups, and various levels of Bible study for adults. They have individual classrooms for the various age levels, and the material is carefully selected for them to understand. This is over and above the main Sunday service and one or more advanced Bible classes being offered various times each week. This approach does satisfy the needs of many different people, and there's really no suitable reason why it isn't done by all churches. It is more work and more people have to be involved, but this isn't an excuse not to do it.

Things do change in neighborhoods near churches. As an example, many people walked to church when I was a child, and the neighborhood surrounding the church was full of children. All it took was a tiny percentage of the neighborhood walking to church, and the church was full in all age groups. However, those children grew up, many left, and their parents grew old and/or ill. The neighborhood "demographics" changed and so did the primary methods that people came to church. They started coming from greater distances in cars, but the little church is still full. The only other choice was the little church moving to a "young" neighborhood full of children again. They chose to stay where they were and provide transportation to children wanting to come to church with or without their parents. Lots of relatively easy things can solve all kinds of problems, but all of them require effort, time, and volunteers. Sadly, too many people these days want others to do the volunteering. Things have definitely changed over the last 50 years in terms of how many people are willing to volunteer to do anything. There used to be more volunteers than they could use 50 years ago in all areas, but the volunteers are pretty sparse in many places now. There are all kinds of excuses to avoid volunteer work of any kind, including church.

the church near to me is always half empty.  dont get me wrong the area i live in i full of children but the church does not cater for them. i dont mean to sound nasty so if this comes across like that then i apologise in advance.

the minister of our local church is an elderly gentleman who cannot communicate with the children.  those that do attend which are 2 do so and have to sit through a  adult service as there is no sunday school for them to attend as they have no-one to run it.  they have no childrens clubs like grils brigade and boys brigade like i went to when i was young, in fact if the chuch would let me i would run the girls brigade or a youth group for the church to help bing in the  young and halp cater for them but the chuch refuses to change.  this saddens me so so much. i would love to show how great our lord is to the young but without the churches help it is hard to do.  how can we spread the word that our lord loves little children if our own church is not willing to help or move with the times?

   

ok! so  i assume from that you dont agree with abortion at all!

does it not also say "you shall not commit adultery"?  many children ae conceived as a result of adultery and abortion is the way many try to cover it up.  dont get me wrong i do not agree with this but it is a sad fact.

also while i know it says "thou shall not kill" do you not find it strange that many killed animals and gave them as offerings to the lord?

and also does it not also state" you must give me the firstborn of your sons. do the same with your cattle and your sheep.  let them stay with their mother fors for seven days but give them to me on the eight day"

it does not say how to give them to the lord tho!

there are some situations where abortion is necessary.  i speak as one that had to terminate a pregnancy as if i didnt it would have killed me so in a way i had no option. mean my choice was silpoe to either terminate it or have the child and most likely die before it went full term and leave my two boys without a mother. it was hard but i had to be sure i was there to be with my sons who needed me. i was in a loving relationship and if it had been different i would have had the child but sometimes our own bodies say no and we have to listen to that and do what we feel is right.  only god has the right to judge us for our choices  and then he will look into our hearts and decide how sincere we are and whether to forgive us or not.

i could have taken the easy way out when i was pregnant with my first child and terminated the pregnancy but i didnt and had her even tho i was 15.  that was hard as each time i saw her i was reminded of how she was conceived and the terrible ordeal i went through. i didnt and she was a lovely girl although she was born with a rare blood condition that meant her own blood was poisoning her little body.  we had numerous trips the tho hospital for blood transfusions and finally i lost her when she was 4. those was 4 wonderful years that i had with her but also the hardest ones i have even had and after going through what i wen through i dont blame anyone that wants to terminate the pregnancy due to the child being conceived through rape or even wanting to terminate if the child is not healthy.  we do not  have that right to judge those  and i know how hard those choices are for many. 

i am aware that some will disagree with my views but after going through what i did it made me change my views on many aspects including this.  i used to think it was so wrong killing a child but now i am older i understand why people do these things  and how hard it is for many to do.