But if he didn't, then:

1 Corinthians 7:
3 The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. 4 The wife's body does not belong to her alone but also to her husband. In the same way, the husband's body does not belong to him alone but also to his wife.

 

Well, they had't read Corinthians had they.

Seriously, though - that's not a problem if it's their mutual discision.  Or, more accurately, their mutual understanding of the will of God.

Oh yeah, I can see it so clearly now!
Joseph and Mary good servants so it is the Lord's will that they never have sexual relations, and certainly never reproduce any offspring.

We know that the Lord would never want His servants to be happy![/color]

Hi Justme,

Can you tell me are you saying that it is impossible to be happy without having sex?
Happiness  comes from serving God and doing all he wants us to do, not from some act that satisfies the flesh.

God bless
Therese

[If anyone says that the sacraments of the New Law are not necessary for salvation]

My last post came out very small print...don't know what I did wrong...so I will post again.  

This is from the Council of Trent...I know you know what that is. Can't get much more authoratative than that for the RCC.  I think the first one takes care of your statement ...I didn't have to go to the second one. There is so much in Catholicism that isn't Scriptual. I really hope you will look at God's Word and use that as your measuring stick for truth. Paul has the doctrine for the Body of Christ today.

Canon 4. If anyone says that the sacraments of the New Law are not necessary for salvation but are superfluous, and that without them or without the desire of them men obtain from God through faith alone the grace of justification,2 though all are not necessary for each one, let him be anathema.



Canon 5. If anyone says that baptism is optional, that is, not necessary for salvation,13 let him be anathema.

Hi Berean,

I cannot se the above canon stating that Jesus death is not enough.  How do you believe it is saying this?

Cheers
Therese

Hi DoveWings,

Thank you for telling me about your daughter.  I was nearly 8 months pregnant with our 6th child when Tom was diagnosed.  I am totally shocked that your daughter wasn't admitted to hospital when she was diagnosed.

I am not really sure what dka is.  Is is ketoasidosis?(probably spelt that wrong)  This is what Tom had when he was diagnosed.  

I found the first year was by far the hardest.  I think having a new baby certainly contributed to this.  Now it is three years since diagnosis.  I feel much more confident in making a decision on what Tom needs.  I am starting to recognize hypos and hypers.  He certainly is a lovely boy when his sugars are normal.  I find that good control makes a big difference.  

Cheers
Therese

Hi LMarsh,

Your welcome.

Thanks for taking the time to read it and thank you for the prayers.

I will pray for you as well.

Cheers
Therese

My youngest son Tom, who is now 4 was diagonosed with diabetes when he was 14months old.  I wrote a testemony for our parish magazine and wanted to share it with other parents.

I am aware that it is rather long but I really did see God working in my life and my husband did too.

Seeing God in our trials.

Our son Tom was diagnosed with diabetes early this year.  This was a time of great trial for both Steven and I, but also a time when we were able to see God working miracles in our lives.

In January of this year we moved to Millicent from Adelaide.  Not long after our move, Tom became sick.  At first we thought he had the flu.  It wasn’t until he was admitted to hospital that we realized that the problem was more serious.  He had become seriously dehydrated even though we had been maintaining his fluids.  His body had started to shut down with blood being directed to his vital organs.  His hands and feet were blue and always cold.

In the hospital they had to establish a drip for Tom to re hydrate and to get some blood to test.  As he was so dehydrated they had trouble finding a vein.  Tom was in a lot of pain and I felt totally out of control with the situation.  Once the drip was in and they had collected some blood, I left Steven with Tom at the hospital and went home to the rest of our family.

I went back to the hospital at 3pm.  The blood test results were back and we knew that Tom had diabetes.  I was told that he would need to go to Adelaide for treatment and that the flying doctors would be taking Tom with a team from the Women’s and Children’s Hospital.  

When the team arrived from Adelaide to retrieve us, they had some test to do before we could leave.  I felt both frightened and overwhelmed at all that was going on around me.  Most of all I felt totally helpless and unable to do anything to help Tom who was very distressed.

Once all the tests had been done we were flown to Adelaide.  We arrived at the hospital late in the evening.  I was very tired at this stage but still needed to talk to doctors.  I wanted to get Tom settled for the night before I went to bed.  

The doctor on duty came and talked to me about Tom and what symptoms he had had in the lead up to being admitted.  She also explained what treatment they would be giving him and what tests they would be doing.

The first thing they had to do was establish another drip line to get the insulin into him.  They were still having trouble finding his veins.  I held his arm still while they tried to find a vein and prayed like I have never prayed before.  All the while Tom was looking at me and screaming out in agony.  I can still remember the way he looked at me and seemed to ask me why I, his protector was helping these people do this.  He couldn’t see the whole picture.  He could only feel the pain that he was in.  He didn’t realize that if they didn’t get a drip into him that he would die.  I felt as if I had betrayed his trust.  After trying to get the drip in the arm several times and failing they decided to call in another doctor who decided to put the drip into a vein in his head.

Tom was kept in intensive care for 48hours.  He was monitored by a nurse at all times and received treatment to bring his sugar levels back to normal.  We were then moved onto a ward for the rest of the week.  Over that week I received training on how to treat Tom’s diabetes.

Through out the week that I was in hospital with Tom, I had a lot of time to both pray and reflect on life.  The most important thing God revealed to me was that when we are in pain and it seems like he is not there, he is with us but cannot stop the pain, just as I was unable to stop the pain for Tom.  When it feels like God is betraying us, he isn’t, but we cannot see the whole picture, just like Tom couldn’t

God also makes these times easier by looking after the little things.  It happened that my brother was down fro the weekend.  It couldn’t have happened at a better time.  He was able to look after the other children while Steve and I were at the hospital with Tom.  Also Fr John was at the hospital before we left and was able to anoint Tom.  As my brother was down for the weekend he was able to take Brigette back to Adelaide so that my parents could look after her.  Steven was very supported in Millicent with several people looking after the boys and Madeline and others having them out for tea.  After I got home with Tom, people were still bringing around meals and helping out with general household chores.

When we have trials in our life, it makes us pause and reflect on the more important things.  It also made me realize that I cannot do thing on my own. Steve and I were both very grateful for the support that we received from the parish and school community.  We felt very glad that we were a part of it and that people were so willing to help and make the load we had to carry lighter.

Tom will have diabetes until they find a cure.  This is a big thing for a little boy to live with.  Just as Steven and I help him with it, so God does with big things in our life too.  Whenever trials come our way it is always easy to see the things that God is not doing.  The challenge for us all is to see the things he is doing.

Cheers
Therese

hi,mum
jeremy 15
rachel  13
sarah    11
rebecca  8
emily       6

lots of fun isnt it  

Hi Butcha,

Sure is.  My heart goes out to Jeremy.  Tell him, to keep his sisters in line.  Thats the oldest job.  I am sure he thinks that anyway .  My older brother was the only boy and he had 3 sisters to contend with.  He tells my two older one that they are lucky to have each other.  

Cheers
Therese  

Hi Butcha,

My children are:

Daniel age 12
Sam age 10
Madeline age 9
Brigette are 6 (7 at the end of this month)
Tom age 4
Amelia age 3 this Saturday.

What are your children's names?

Cheers
Therese

Aussie,

"No one can come to the Father unless the Father draws him." That is a true statement. The only power over the devil is the Holy Spirit. The only way cult members can be reprogrammed is by the Holy Spirit Himself because he is the only entity more important than the devil. Jesus said that the Counselor is the "spirit of truth". Once that enters us, we then have the ability to understand Jesus's words. At that point, discernment develops and a person has the capacity to leave the cult. Without the Holy Spirit, the devil's ways seem right to us. We justify worshiping men, immorality, adherence to the law, pride, greed, etc. No person can convince someone he is being misled by a cult. Only God can. That is why the Muslims and the catholics are such fanatics. However, if God is drawing a person, then He uses the Holy Spirit in other people in the world to show that person who Christ is. If anyone leads any of us away from Christ and into worldly things, whether it's believing church doctrine over the bible and Christ's words, then it is not from the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit teaches us to worship Christ and Christ alone. It is only through Christ that we have access to God, not through the church. Again, that is what a personal relationship with Christ is. If a church leads you toward it instead of toward Christ alone, then it is a cult.  

Heidi,

You state that the church leads us towards itself rather than towards Christ.  I think this is an untrue statement.  On what basis do you make this claim?  I think that church does lead us to Jesus.  The church wants us to have a deep relationship with Jesus and is so committed to this that we can attend church every day.  We listen to three readings everyday from the bible and we praise Jesus for paying the price of our sins.

Please show me, how the church leads us to itself instead of to Christ.

When a statement is made we need to be able to provide some proof to back it up.

Cheers
Therese

Catholics are indoctrinated from birth. Just one example of the false and heretical teachings of that organization is "INFANT BAPTISM." They go on to such ascriptural and bondage- producing teachings such as purgatory. They actually teach that at death a person in purgatory can be released only through prayers offered by the catholic church.

The entire system is designed to place people in and hold them in BONDAGE. However, "Whom the Son sets free is free indeed." When the light shines all of the darkness engendered by the RCC has to flee.

aw

Hi aw,

Have you ever heard the saying do not judge another until you have walked a mile in his shoes.

I therefore have one question for you.  Have you ever been a part of the Catholic church?

Cheers
Therese

I believe that we are saved by the death of Jesus but this doesn't mean that we cannot be saved through the waters of baptism.

One thing I find constantly with Protestants is they say if a saves then b cannot.  Why cant a and b both save?  The bible tells us that water saved Noah and his family, therefore we too can be saved through the waters of baptism.  We need to look at the whole bible to know the way of salvation. Not just adopt the areas that suit our theology.

Cheers
Therese

Hi,

Even if there is such a thing as a dry baptism it doesn't change the fact that ST Peter says that the eight were saved through the water.

I have shown many other ways that God saved people by water.  Why can't he use the water of baptism to save us?

Cheers
Therese

Brother love,

What is a dry baptism?  I have never heard of anyone receiving a dry baptism?

Here are the bible verses that you sited:

[5] one Lord, one faith, one baptism,

[13] For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body -- Jews or Greeks, slaves or free -- and all were made to drink of one Spirit.

I can find no evidence in scripture that support that someone can be baptized without getting wet.

I believe that the water in the story of Noah washed away all evil, therefore the waters of baptism wash away our sins.  (our sins are what are evil)

There are many other instances that water washed away evil.  The water of the red sea washed away the Egyptians when the Israelites were escaping.  The water of the river Jordan washed away Nahmans skin disease.  Elijah passed through water before he went to heaven.  Moses was saved through the water.

All of these instances show me that baptism saves.  

thanks
Therese

Another question for those who thinks it doesn't save us, why does it say in 1 Peter 3:20 -21 that it does?

[20] who formerly did not obey, when God's patience waited in the days of Noah, during the building of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were saved through water.
[21] Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a clear conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,

The bible says that Noah and his wife and children were saved through the water and now we are too, as baptism corresponds to this.

How can the bible say that baptism saves if it doesn't?

Cheers
Therese

Hi Ollie,

Hi, "the land of Oz", huh?

Sure is, the land of oztralia for those in a hurry, like I always am.    

Thanks for the welcome.

Cheers
Therese

Hi AV,

Why does one need to prove to others that they have given their heart to Jesus?  No one else is responsible for their salvation.  Jesus would know our hearts and I don't think this ritual would prove anything to him. Also the eunuch had no witnesses and none of the people in the new testament are told to wait and show everyone that they have given their hearts to Jesus.  In fact some people are baptized in the middle of the night.

cheers
Therese