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Is there anyone here that knows anything about voltage problems?  I sure hope there is cause I need some sort of help.

Here's the problem.................we've had loads of problems with our electric company.  For 14 years the electric just goes off.  Sometimes it's been off for 8 hours.  Other times 2 or 3 hours.  And still other times 15 minutes.  Sometimes it will go off and come right back on.  Our city council finally got involved about 16 months ago but it hasn't gotten any better.  The substation is old and VERY problematic.  I've been having appliance problems lately.  The electric stove electronic panel was replaced and both elements in the oven were replaced.  I won't tell you how much that was.  If an appliance repairman had done it, it would have cost over $800.  It cost me $400.  I have an accurate oven thermometer and it's holding at wherever it's set, but my food isn't getting done.  Cookies are all gooey underneath and can't be removed from the cookie sheet because of it.

NOW LISTEN................incoming voltage is 130 and should be about 120.  The volts on my 220 line read 260 and that's not good at all.  I've been smelling an odor that smells like hot motor oil when I turn on my oven.  I did smell it in my dishwasher, too.  The dishwasher motor was just replaced and the odor went away.  Called the electric company (for about the 500th time in 14 years) tonight and they are sending someone out.  Whoopie, they've sent 499 guys out before.

I'm hoping someone might have some input because I sure am out of answers (and money).  This has been a real hassle for years, and now my appliances are being affected.


BTW---------BEP------------I'm still getting these white pages and a long wait on CU...........this is a pain too as I'm on dial-up.  I know you are on dial-up, also.  Are you getting the white pages with the long wait?  I counted a few times.  It's a 20 to 30 second wait.

Grace and peace,
cris

I worked as a licensed electrician for 15 yrs. I think I can help. Your low voltage system can run as high as 125 to 130 Volts without causing much trouble. The high voltage is using two poles of your electric box thereby the voltage will be approximately double the low voltage (150 to 160 Volts).

What causes your appliances the biggest problem is inconsistant voltage, especially big spikes (a sudden but sometimes brief, large increase). It will especially affect computers that are not surge protected. Another problem is in what is called Hertz. Household electricity runs on approx. 60 Hertz. If this is not fairly constant it cause appliances to run cold or extra hot wearing the parts out prematurely. You can tell if this is the problem by looking at incandesant bulbs. If the bulb looks weak, low in light, and flickers a lot the Hertz are too slow. If they are extra bright and steady the Hertz are to high.


If the utility company has a known problem and that problem is causing your appliances to go bad then they are responsible for repairing or replacing them. Depending on the utility company that may be a big fight to get it done.

PR,

You're right..................it is, and has been a big fight with our electric company.  City council can't even get it resolved.  In the summer, sometimes we're running on 106 volts.  Then it slowly begins creeping back up.........108, 111, 113. 116, 120, 124, 126.............125, 124, 123 and on and on and on.  

Is there any type contraption I could put on my incoming electrical box to keep the voltage steady?  I know about surge protectors for inside the house and I have them on a few things, but not all.

Grace and peace,
cris

There is no device available to keep your electricity stable outside of the utility company. There are surge protectors that can be placed in the line just prior to the service box. Usually those are so expensive that most people can't afford to get them. All those do is to protect against the sudden high voltage spikes. They do nothing to stablize power or to boost low power.

If it drops low like that and slowly climbs back up then it is definitely the utility companys fault that your appliances are going out. Does the problem seem to happen more at certain times of the day/night?

Brother/Sister Cris,

:D  I know that I'm right with one of the above.

Reference computer problem today, I haven't gotten any of the white screens or long waits today. It was a little bit slow a couple of times, but things really seemed to return almost to normal. YES, I am on the old-fashioned dial-up, and my average connect speed is about 42 Kbps or less. I don't really have any moderate options where I live, just the low end and the very high end. I can't afford the very high end, so I guess it's a good thing that I rarely ever do anything on the Internet that absolutely requires high speed.

Reference the electricity problem, I do know that wildly fluctuating voltage or on and off electricity are very destructive to appliances, computers, and anything that uses electricity. I do know that a UPS (Uninterrupted Power Supply) is very good for computers. All a UPS does is even out the electricity from ups and downs in voltage, and it provides battery power when the electricity goes off, at least long enough for the computer to normally shut itself down. Other than the UPS for your computer, I wouldn't have a clue about possible answers. You can get a good UPS for your computer for about $120. I do know for positive that your electricity problem you currently have will eventually kill everything that uses electricity.

I'm sure there are some real answers, but I would guess they are all VERY EXPENSIVE (i.e. your own generators and a whole house equivalent of the UPS - probably way up in the thousands of dollars). I'm sorry that I didn't have any good news for you.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Romans 6:10-14 NASB  For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God. Even so consider yourselves to be dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus. Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its lusts, and do not go on presenting the members of your body to sin as instruments of unrighteousness; but present yourselves to God as those alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God. For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under law but under grace.

I didn't think about the UPS. You are right though in it's cost. It would be cost prohibitive for most households. In fact most buisnesses cannot afford them for full service uses.

A generator sufficient to run an entire home on for anything other than emergencies would also be very expensive.

How much is expensive?  Then again, it probably wouldn't even work for this problem.

No, the problem doesn't happen at certain times.  It's all over the place.  It could be any time of the day or night.

We know it's the utility company or else city council wouldn't be involved.  There was a town meeting 16 months ago.  Approximately 70 people from our immediate neighborhood showed up.  I will tell you, that's about all the neighbors did, though (show up to complain).  I'm the one constantly calling the electric company because I keep check with my voltage meter.  I guess no one else does.  If the neighbors appliances need repair, I'm sure they aren't thinking that the electric company is the problem.  It would take ALL of us calling ALL the time.  I can't get them to do this.  I tried.  Guess what?  Nothing will get done.  We're supposed to be a COMMUNITY.  We're supposed to be together on these kinds of problems, but I can't move these people.  More later about this kind of stuff.  I do have some more things to say about it.

OK..............the US is on 60 cycles (hertz).  I didn't think cycles changed.  I thought only the volts changed.  I can't answer your questions about the light bulbs.  At 130 volts, they certainly don't look low, but they don't look too bright, either------------rather normal, I guess.

Oh, I'm really hot under the collar.................arrrrrrgh!!!!

Grace and peace,
cris

BEP,

I'm very happy to hear that you KNOW you're correct with one or the other........................... ;D ;D

Right now, the computer is the least of my problems with reference to the UPS.  This voltage problem is killing my other appliances.

Generators......................whole house generators are close to 8-10 thousand dollars.  I have a small one that retailed for $1,000 at Sears.  I think it's 5,000 volts.  It's been used but can only power up a few things, obviously, refrigerator, freezer, couple of lights and a couple of fans.  That's it, and it's just a portable one.

Computer------ WHITE PAGES....................I'm only getting them on CU.  No place else on the net.

Grace and peace,
cris

 

I just did a look on the internet for a UPS. To get one large enough for your entire house we are talking at minimum $8,600.00 and that is for the minimum appliances, using gas stove, dryer and water heater. I think it would be cheaper to go to gas appliances.

The U.S. used to operate on 50 Hertz. Lighting was poor, bulbs had a tendency to show a slight flicker all the time so they boosted it to 60 Hertz. With AC current Hertz is simply the measurement of the wave length which is the amount of time it goes from zero to 125 Volts to zero to a neg 125 then back to zero (one wave length). 60 Hertz is 60 of those per second.

Hertz can also fluctuate if there is a problem with the generating equipment. If your bulbs seem to have normal output then it probably is not a problem there.

One other point. If your local phone service is using the same utility company it will have an effect on your internet.

Yep, then I was correct in the price, too.  We have no gas line to our house.  We are totally electric, water heater, furnace, oven, stove, etc.

Interesting about the phone co. and the internet..............very interesting.  I never thought about that.............hmmmmmmmmmmmm!

Can I measure the hertz with an occilloscope (sp?).  If so, what shoud I look for?  I have a very old one up in the attic somewhere.

The bottom line...................am I really stuck?

Grace and peace,
cris

An O scope can show the hertz if you have one that works for that high a voltage and you have it on the right settings. You would just need to check to see how many cycles it does each second. I wouldn't be able to help with the settings on it as each Oscope is somewhat different in it's settings/switches, etc.

If it is an old one that was used for TV repair then it probably has the capability of reading a 115 Volt line.

No gas lines, UPS is out of range, community doesn't want to help, utility company won't take responsibility, I would say the only other alternative would be a law suit. If you feel as I do then the word law suit is a dirty word but it is one that sometimes must be used especially when you are having to put out so much money unnecessarily for repairs.

I have found sometimes that just the word alone, dropped to the right person, will get tremendous results.

Everyone in this area has the same voltage supply so would the scope even make a difference?  I checked my neighbors voltage tonight.  It's the same as mine and they are ON A DIFFERENT TRANSFORMER.  There's a DEFINITE problem with the EC's substation.............that's a known.  The substation can't change the cycles per second.  They can only vary the voltage and current.  Our electric company buys their electric from ????wherever........somewhere from the grid ;D ;D ;D

Again, bottom line, am I stuck?


Grace and peace,
cris

 

Yep, it is a dirty word and something that I've never done, but maybe you're right.  Now PR, who might that "right" person be?  Any ideas?

Should I go to city hall with that word?  Who might the right person be there?  Sorry for these questions, but I've never done this before.

Grace and peace,
cris

Pastor Roger and Cris,

Both of you know more about this than I do, especially after you started using all the big words.  :D

All of this big money talk has convinced me that it's time to go back to candles, tents, and an abacus for a computer.

Who needs a washer and dryer for wash and wear clothes? You simply jump in the creek and wash while you wear. No water bills, and you took care of the bath at the same time. You also did away with the water heater.

We can also get rid of the telephone, television, and teletype  with tell-a-woman.  ;D

We're going to offer classes on making fire by rubbing sticks together. Sign up soon since room is limited in the tent.

After this, we are planning numerous karate classes for men so they can defend themselves from their wives.  ;D

BEP.....................I am ROFL.  With each line I laughed harder and louder.  That was funny.

Hey, I'm still getting the white pages and only on CU.  I realize you can't do anything about it.  I've had that trouble before on CU, but never thought it was CU until you told me yesterday about it.

I'm heading off to hit the hay...................tomorrow.  I don't want to even think about tomorrow..........yoi! ;D

Grace and peace,
cris

You Guys are so funny  ;D. Your humor has really made my day. cris if you're hitting the hay I guess you are already on your way back to the basics, (no bed, just hay).
I thought I was the only one getting the white screen on CU, until now. Everytime I get a white screen that lasts more than 30 or so seconds I start shutting down some of my other programs. I'm so glad to know it's not my computer, now I can keep my programs running without having to go back and start them again after I post. :D
BEP you said get rid of 'tell a woman', well I'm glad to see that you are still planning on keeping the woman otherwise you wouldn't need the Karate classes. OH!! By the way one absolutely necessary thing if you are all going to be in one tent don't forget the deoderant, it could get a little musky after all the exercise doing the Karate thing.
cris you will probably need to reveal your gender, because somehow I get the feeling that our brothers won't want a female learning Karate (it would defeat the purpose).  ;D ;D ;D ;D

The problem may not be in the substation but rather in their supply. If they are not being provided sufficient power from their source it could cause such a problem.

I would say that you are stuck unless you can find an alternate power source for a reasonable price. Such as butane.

City hall may have some influence here but the ultimate one responsible is the utility company itself. I would start with the people in charge of the substation, asking them exactly what the problem is as it may not be their fault. If you get a satifactory answer from them and it turns out it isn't there fault then I would go to their source. Be ready though because you may reach an impasse between them with one blaiming the other.

Brother, that was hilarious. I'm ready for it myself. Can I help teaching the classes (all except the karate class I'm afraid I would lose big time there)?

That would be to her benefit.

PR the greatest benefit would be that I wouldn't be have to type so much ie. he/she; brother/sister, him/her, etc.  ;D ;D.

cris the media loves this kind of story why not try them in fact don't even mention the word 'sue' just tell them you will call FOX news channel   ;D ;D that usually works.

Brothers and Sisters,

It appears that my plans to do away with all the modern convenience and electricity has been shut down by my wife. AND, she didn't appreciate my thoughts about communications by tell-a-woman. She sent me to my room and told me that she didn't want to hear another word about tents, candles, etc. Further, she told me that I had to sleep sometime, so the karate wouldn't do me any good. So, I'm going to be a good boy and do what I'm told.  ;D  ;D

(Small Print: Please don't tell my wife that I really wanted to go to my room. AND, I left the room twice without her finding out.)

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Air, I wouldn't dare go to the media on something like this.  It's just intuition...............other things, yes, but not this.  I'll just say that money talks and leave it alone at that.

I said it was past my bedtime, and I was going to hit the hay.  I didn't say I was going to sleep on it. ;D ;D

Why should I reveal my gender when you already know what it is?  You said the guys wouldn't want a female Karate expert, didn't ya? ;D  PR is referring to me as a "her", too.  So, does that mean I'm a her?  hehe

Are you still getting white screens?  I am but it's not as slow as the day before yesterday.  It's still slow though.

Grace and peace,
cris

HER?   HER?   So, you still think I'm a her?  OK then, think as you may. :-X ;D

Grace and peace,
cris

 

#1.     Substation is ancient.  I used to live in another part of
          town and no problems.  Many people have told me all
          the problems are substation related.  It could be as
          you said though, their source.  If, "by their source,"
          you mean their "parent co.," I reported the problem
          to them.

#2.      One can't talk with people at the substation.  I tried.
           I worked with an engineer at this same utility co.
           years ago and got no where.

#3.       Right now, my biggest problem is personal.  It's with
            my oven.  Panel replaced, thermostat replaced, both
            oven elements replaced (very, very expensive).  My
            elements are smelling something awful.  Took them
            back today for exchange.  Came home, put them in
            oven, and they smell bad, too.  So, I put the oven
            on self clean for two hours.  We'll see what happens.
            The appliance parts store has never heard of
            elements smelling like this.  It sort of smells like paint
            thinner or turpentine...........sort of, but much
            stronger.  My food is not cooking all the way through.
            Example, cookies are undone and all gooey.  They fall
            apart when trying to remover them from the
            cookie sheet.  Cakes won't raise.  Brownies don't
            get done.  Oven temperature reads correctly,
            whatever it's set on.  What in the world is the
            problem.  It doesn't make sense.  Can you think
            of anything?

cris

 

 
                 
       

Cris,

The more you describe the more it sounds like you only have one leg going to your stove. Have you used the multimeter and checked voltage on both legs (hot wires)?

Oven coils usually have a shellac covering on them during shipment to prevent them from rusting. It usually burns off in seconds with the right amount of juice going through them. It happens so fast normally that there isn't much oder.

Sorry, I never logged off but wasn't here the whole time.

Yes, it was checked at the fuse box AND behind the stove.  Think I told you when the house voltage was 130, the voltage coming over the 220 line was 260.  Behind the stove, legs read 128 and 128.8.  

The self cleaning cycle finished and cooled.  I then turned the oven back on to bake at 375..............it still smells, and is in my throat.  What in the world is going on?  What else could it possibly be?  I'm baffled, and so are the people at the appliance parts store.

cris

uhhhh  .......   time for an exorcism??

Baffled is an understatement.

Well, believe or not Ripley, I was just going to say that this oven is possessed!

One thing that I might suggest is to let the oven cool down completely then try cleaning the element with rubbing alcohol, scrubbing it good with steel wool or a scotch bright pad. Let the alcohol evaporate really good and then try it again.

On top of all of this, at exactly the same time, I developed a rash on my chest....................more like very small welts.  I can't get rid of it either.  Went back to see if I ate something different.  I didn't, but I did open a new loaf of 7 grain bread on Wednesday.  I noticed the rash sometime after, that same day.  Have no idea if the rash developed from the stress, the odor permeating the house from the stove, or what it's from.  I DO NOT NEED THIS!!!!

Appliance parts are not returnable.  If I use alcohol and/or steel wool, it will show that I've altered them and I will not be able to even get an exchange then.  Alcohol yes, I suppose that would be okay, but I had it on 900 degrees for two hours on self clean.  Don't you think that should have done it?  Initially, I cleaned the elements with an ammonia/water solution.

Oh, oh, oh, I'm modifying this post because I forgot to say that even if I was able to get rid of this odor, and even though the oven thermometer reads 375, if I set it at 375, my food is not cooking in the center or bottom.

Is it possible I need to order the transformer?  This is a long shot, but I'm wondering if there isn't something going on in the wiring.




 

Yeah, I don't think you want to scratch the element in case you have to return it.

Take a deep breath, pray a lot. You don't need to get stressed out.

900 degrees?? What kind of stove do you have? The average household oven only goes to 500 maybe 550 at the most even in cleaning mode.

Do you have an oven themometer so you can see if the thermostat is working right?

And I also forgot to say that even though I'm getting good voltage readings, could something still be wrong with the wiring?

Wish I would have said, what I wanted to say, when I didn't say it. ;D  I just still might say something that I didn't say before, that I forgot to say.  Now, if you can figure out what I just said, you're doing much better than I.   ;D ;D

I have a KitchenAid.  Broiling is 500 to 550, but self cleaning on any stove I've ever had has been 800 to 900 degrees.  That high temp is what does the cleaning.

Yes, I have 3 oven thermometers.  I said before that I used a thermometer to check the oven temp.  That's how I know it's reading correctly.  It's staying steady at whatever it's set on, and I might add, it's smack dab right in the center of the oven, too.  This is unbelievable!



 











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The only thing that can go wrong with the wiring is a loose connection or a break in it. The transformer could be a problem also. There is a wiring diagram on your stove. Usually on a back panel. It should tell you what the voltage is supposed to be on the stove side of the transformer. You can check the output of it and see if it is putting the right voltage out.

Another thing to consider is amperage. Amperage is harder to check without a special meter though as the standard multimeter only checks up to 10 amps and an oven is 60 amps. I would check the transformer voltage though and the out put of the thermostat to the coil.

Oh, oh, oh, I'm modifying this post because I forgot to say that even if I was able to get rid of this odor, and even though the oven thermometer reads 375, if I set it at 375, my food is not cooking in the center or bottom.

Is it possible I need to order the transformer?  This is a long shot, but I'm wondering if there isn't something going on in the wiring.




 


And I also forgot to say that even though I'm getting good voltage readings, could something still be wrong with the wiring?

Wish I would have said, what I wanted to say, when I didn't say it. ;D  I just still might say something that I didn't say before, that I forgot to say.  Now, if you can figure out what I just said, you're doing much better than I.   ;D ;D

Forgive me ....  I have a very poor short term memory so I have probably asked these questions several times. Just trying to cover all of the angles.

OK.................I'm going out there now.  Will report back what I found.

Thanks.

cris

Now I am really confused. If it is a steady 375 when set at 375 then the thermostat and the transformer must be good.

Woo wait a minute are you talking about the oven transformer or the transformer on the pole. Don't go near the one on the pole!

Cris?

ROFL.................................PR, my sides were hurting so bad, I had to get back up and walk around.  Don't do that to me again. ;D

Got the schematic.................it does not show an oven/stove transformer.  Just a transformer for the ballast for the fluorescent light.  The schematic doesn't show me voltages at all...............it's just a wiring diagram.  Now what?  That just threw that idea of mine into the trash.  You do know that this is a computerized electronic stove/oven, don't you?  That computer panel is the panel I told you was replaced (very, very expensive) two weeks ago. That panel has it's own transformer in it's power supply. That panel regulates all the timings and oven controls, clock, timer, temp settings, etc...........It's working, or at least I think it is.  It's turning the oven on, and bringing it up to temp.

I have no meter to measure the amps.

cris

OK PR...................stop it.  My sides will not take anymore. ;D

cris

Whew .....  When you said "go out there" I thought you meant outside. I'm glad I was wrong on that.  ;D ;D

Ok   ......   computerized stove .....

PC board new ......  

coil new ......

Temp goes to 375 when set at 375

oven doesn't cook food even when temp is correct.

oven stinks and I'm not talking about the odor coming from it.

I can't imagine anything wrong with it when the temp goes up to what it is set at.   ??? ??? ??? ???


I think we are back to the exorcism.   >:( >:( >:( >:(

We try to keep everyone happy.   :D :D :D

Hi Mr. 5020,

Welcome back to CU.

Yes, I realized what I did, but let it slide.  Glad you got a kick out of it.  Is is not funny how humans can say one thing and do another?  Well, sometimes it's funny.  Just depends on what it is. ;) ;D

In the midst of all this trouble with the oven, Pastor Roger is keeping me in stitches.  Glad he is, 'cause I'm stressed out over all of it.  What is that saying now, "when it rains, it pours" or something to that effect?

Grace and peace,
cris

Hey Cris,

I know where you can get a good used butane tank and stove for cheap.

I just had another idea Cris. Look on the stove for the manufaturer information. There should be an address or phonr number. If not on the stove maybe in the owners manual.

There sometimes is a 1-800 number you can call and ask them about the problem that you are having. I have done that in the past and was able to get my appliances fixed right away.

I'm still ROFL everytime I read something you write!

I can't imagine anything wrong either, but there IS something wrong and it doesn't make any sense.  This is just defying all logic.  I can't tell you how many test batches of cookies I've put in that oven this week.  I'm so sick of cookies, I don't care if I never eat one again.  I never thought I'd ever say that, especially when they were chocolate chip.

This is so frustrating.  Everything that could be replaced has been replaced, thermostat, panel, and elements.  It should be working like it's brand new.

I don't know if you were serious about exorcism (I don't think you were) but I'm beginning to think..................well, it isn't logical, but.................I'm not sure I can discount it.  I did lay this problem at His feet this morning.  Well, I'm Christian, and I believe these things can happen.  So, I guess I've got some casting out to do.  I just went out there (hehe) and opened the oven door.  Temp was 230 (cooling down) and I didn't notice the odor.  I did what I had to do and then turned the oven to 350.  Just went back out and opened the oven door.  The odor is still there, but not strong like it was.  Guess I'm going to have to put something else in to bake and see what happens.  I'm not doing it tonight, though.  I'm too tired.  Again, I checked the oven.  Odor seems to be gone and it's holding at 350.

This has been stranger than strange!

Grace and peace,
cris

 

I like chocolate chip batter better than cookies anyway.

You might try annointing it with oil too but make sure the oven and burners are off if you do.
 :D :D :D





Is that casting out as in evil spirits or as in casting the stove out of the house??

This was the very first thing I did.  They don't offer that service anymore.  The only thing they said they could do was set me up for a service call.  Well, I called A repair service myself, they came, told me since I had replaced the elements, the panel needed to be replaced to the tune of $565.00 including that day's service call.  I paid him the $65.00 and he left.  You know the rest of the story.  $65.00 for the SC, $200.00 for the panel, $40.00 for the thermostat, and around $150.00 for the elements.  Seems to add up to about $460.00.  I also had to replace a sensor for one of my stove burners to the tune of $60.00.

 

At that price you almost paid for a brand new stove.

I love the batter, too.  I once made the batter just to eat that way.  Put it in the fridge and spooned it out, little by little, till it was all gone.  Yum!

(I still don't know how to quote parts of posts)

Reference oil and hot burners...............at this point, I'm not so sure it wouldn't be a good idea. ;D

Reference casting out........................it's too heavy for one person to lift so it's definitely the other.  I already did it!  I will again tomorrow when I get up.  I never gave a thought to casting it out of the house..................that was funny PR.  LOL...................I'm still busting out with laughter from time to time.....................YOU are a hoot!

 

I was thinking the same thing.  I was at least on my way.  That stove was $1200 eight years ago.  It is also a convection oven.  That's the reason it was so expensive.  Actually, I thought I'd have it for the rest of my life.  One thing I KNOW for sure.........................they don't build 'em like they used to.  We need ALL American made products.  America once had pride in what she produced.  It WAS high quality.  I'm old enough to know that. ;D

It comes naturally.


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Next to the last button on the "tags" line then cut and paste the part you want into it.

No, not even the "made by union" products are of high quality anymore. Things are harder to fix now, too because of the technology put into them.

Well PR, I'm logging out for the night. Gonna go smack the hay again.  It's been fun.  Thanks for making me laugh so hard, and so many times.  Who knows, you might have saved my life. ;D ;D

Sleep well.

BRAGGART!!!!!!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D

Thanks, you too.  

Goodnight!

God bless you!
Grace and peace,
cris

 

UH OH!!  - The copper helmet and standing in a bucket of water isn't a good idea either.  ;D  ;D

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That's almost as bad as using the finger method to test to see if a circuit is live or not.

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;D  ;D  I'm shocked that you would bring that up!


Just another electricity source, but I doubt it is very stable. To try it, Cris can simply climb a tree, hold a long rod up in the air, and have some romex going to the stove. Who knows - maybe you can cook a 20 pound turkey in 2 minutes. OR, one could impale the food on the rod and make a massive kabob!  ;D

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'Tis the season!

Well, in that case, I guess I would be the turkey, but this turkey weighs more than twenty pounds.

PR,

I did bake another batch of cookies that turned out gooey.  Preheated oven for 1 and 1/2 hours.  Oven temp read exactly where I set it........375.

Then I baked a cake, but turned the temp up to 385 (supposed to be set on 375).  Cake was to bake for 28 to 33 min.  It was done in 28 minutes, however, it was more done around the edges than the center.  There was no odor from the elements today.

My conclusion:  Since center is not baking properly, I'm thinking something is still wrong with the elements.  They probably aren't cycling as they should.  Maybe one element is doing more work than the other.  It must be something about the juice being fed to these elements. Since the elements are new it has to be the wiring.  I've had it.  I'm not doing anymore experimentation until my wiring harness assembly comes in.  Once that's replaced, if it doesn't work, I'm inviting you over to help me smash it to smitherines. ;D

Grace and peace,
cris

It does sound like the heat in your oven is not evenl distributed. I had an old gas stove that cooked that way. I had to cook at a higher temp and to compensate for the edge getting more done than the center I had to put a strip of aluminum foil around the outer edge as you are supposed to do to pies to prevent the outer crust from getting to well done.

The problem that I had with that oven was the door did not seal properly when shut and the insulation around the oven box had fallen off causing cool spots in the oven.

The harness, especially the portion where the coils plug into it, could be a problem and causing your oven to have cool spots the same way.

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That is the most expensive non-cooking stinking stove I've ever heard of cris. ;D. Maybe you should sell it on ebay and buy yourself another one. ;D ;D

Air, you are so right...........arrrgh.

I've never done any selling on ebay.  They would have to know about the problems, number one.  Number two, I don't think anyone would want to pay shipping for something that heavy. ;D  Number three, by the time this would be all over and done with, I don't think I'd make much money.  It just isn't worth the hassle.

I'll know in about ten days what I'm going to have to do with it if it still doesn't work after I replace the harness.  I invited PR to come over and help smash it to smitherines if it doesn't work.  You're invited, too.  ;D

Grace and peace,
cris

Oh no, I hope this problem isn't as simple as the door not sealing properly, after what I've just been through.  I thought the harness would be the end of it.  Now, if it isn't, it isn't over.  I will have to consider the door seal.  I'm taking real deep breaths right now. ;D  The door seal didn't cause the smelly elements, though.  Gotta keep that in mind.  It just has to be the harness.  Enuff!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh Boy! A smashing party. We can have a smashing good time.

Does that include the chocolate chip cookies that were baked in it?

If partially cooked cookies are smashable, then yes!  Since we'll be having a smashing party, bring some things.  I'm sure I can come up with some others too that have given me past headaches. ;D ;D

Let's make sure that it is inanimate objects only, now.  ;) ;) ;D ;D

I guess I should have said other "things" 'cause that was what I meant.  What were you thinking? ;) ;D

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PR,

Couldn't you have replaced the seal on your oven door, and the insulation around the oven box?

WHY?  ;D

I could have but it was an old standing pilot light type stove probably as old as I am and beat up worse than I am so I didn't bother. Instead I eventually replaced it.

OK...............I guess I just might have to do it.  Have too much money into that thing not to do it, that is, if the harness doesn't change anything.  I sure hope it does, though.  I don't need this headache, nor do I need the rash I developed, either. ;D  I'm laughing, even though it isn't funny.

You said your stove is only fiver years old? I probably would have tried to rescue it myself.

I can't find my shrugging smilie so.....    **shrugs**

OK.....................if you don't know what you were thinking, then, you don't know what you were thinking.  That was easy. ;D

 

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I didn't see this post.  Wonder how many others I haven't seen?

I said my stove is 5 years old????  Where did I say that?  I was supposed to type in 8 years old, 'cause that's how old it is.

I probably would have tried to rescue it myself?????  Do you mean you would have gone about trying to repair it yourself, like I did?  I'm a little bit corn-fused here at the moment.  I'll just blame that on something...................the time of night, the week (s) I've had, etc. ;D ;D

I wasn't sure you said 5 yrs thats the reason for the question mark, I didn't take the time to look back. Even at 8 yrs I still would have tried to rescue it. A stoves lifespan is supposed to be set at 15 to 20 yrs so at 8 yrs it is worth getting it fixed is what I meant. With the the cost I probably would have done it myself also.

Just blame it on the stove. And I think what PR had in mind about smashing the chocolate chip cookies was smashing them with his teeth while they were in his mouth. Don't forget he said he loves chocolate chip cookie dough.

499 guys?  Wow.  That's a pretty big electric company!   ;D

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AIA2W, ref. PR, absolutely.  No doubt about that!!! ;D  I didn't forget!

That's what I thought you meant, but wasn't sure.

Consumer's Reports says that the lifespan of appliances is 8 years, now.  This was in one of the last few months publications.  Not happy to hear this!  Not happy at all!  Tent living might eventually not be an option. >:(

Tent living? Who uses tents? Tents will be a luxury item. A few sticks and some leaves make a good shelter.  ;D ;D

A few sticks and some leaves can make some other things, too. ;D  

Luxury items?...........................you are so right.  For us oldsters, the things that were common years ago are now commanding "designer" status.  Ie., 100% cotton percale 200 thread count, non resin bedsheets are out of reach for the common person.  King size is somewhere around $100 per sheet, not a set, but a sheet.  Full size is not much less expensive.  They now call "blends" (meaning polyester and cotton) PERCALE.  Well, polyester is a form of plastic, so we're forced to sleep on plastic because of price.  Our choices are being limited, ever so slowly.  The most recent sales pitch is on "soft", oh, it's so soft, and gets softer with each washing.  What a con!  Soft means it has no "body."  Just about everyone buys into it.  I KNOW the difference and it makes me  >:(.  Oh well.  Enough about this.  It could be a whole other discussion. I don't want to go there any more than I already have. :-X

I know what you mean. It is a rip-off and in my opinion false advertising.

cris even food is now becoming a luxury item. used to be when I used to take my kids to McDonalds and feed them and myself for under $8 now I tell my husband if you want to eat out it's better to go to a buffet style resurant and spend about $5 more and eat all you want (real food). Not just some skimpy overprossessed, partly beef patty, filled with a bunch of man-made chemicals, that has sat under a heating lamp for 2 hours.
On another subject I still get the white screens too.