Title: Authority is Ours!! Post by: Jabez on December 04, 2003, 07:01:38 PM Luke
10:19 Behold, I give unto you power(Authority) to tread(Trample)on serpents(Snakes) and scorpions, and over all the power(Ability) of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt(Harm) you. Psalm 91:13 13 Thou shalt tread upon the lion and adder: [2] the young lion and the dragon shalt thou trample under feet. John 1:12 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name: Mark 16:17,18 17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; 18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. 1When Jesus had called the Twelve together, he gave them power and authority to drive out all demons and to cure diseases, 2and he sent them out to preach the kingdom of God and to heal the sick. 6So they set out and went from village to village, preaching the gospel and healing people everywhere. Luke 9:1-2,6 NIV 49"Master," said John, "we saw a man driving out demons in your name and we tried to stop him, because he is not one of us." 50"Do not stop him," Jesus said, "for whoever is not against you is for you." Luke 9:49-50 NIV Paul demonstrated this authority when he cast the spirit of divination out of a fortuneteller in Acts 16:18: "She kept this up for many days. Finally Paul became so troubled that he turned around and said to the spirit, "In the name of Jesus Christ I command you to come out of her!" At that moment the spirit left her" (NIV). Note that Christ's authority is given only to those who believe in him (John 1:12, Mark 16:17). For example, the seven sons of Sceva attempted to cast demons out without having faith in Jesus. They invoked his name like a magical word and were severely beaten up and chased away (Acts 19:13-16). *********************************** We have the Authority,who can deny this?Through Jesus people can and are still healed today.Miracles happen all the time.Demons are cast out in Jesus' name Title: Authority is Ours!! Post by: Brother Love on December 05, 2003, 08:29:31 AM NO WAY!
Jesus I know, Paul I know, who are you Jabez? Brother Love :) Title: Re:Authority is Ours!! Post by: Jabez on December 05, 2003, 11:41:48 AM You say you know Jesus,but accept what he has told us?
John14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater [works] than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. 13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do [it]. Title: Re:Authority is Ours!! Post by: nChrist on December 05, 2003, 03:46:22 PM You say you know Jesus,but accept what he has told us? John14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater [works] than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. 13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do [it]. Oklahoma Howdy to Jabez, Brother, I fear that you don't realize the purpose for the miracles, signs, and wonders, and for the times they were intended. This is not to say there are no more miracles today. These powers were given by God to help the masses of doubting Thomas' believe at the time of Christ, before and after the crucifixion. These powers were later replaced by the Living Word of God, the Holy Bible. It should be obvious for God's children of today that we don't drink poison, we don't step on adders, and we all die and have illnesses, regardless of the strength of our faith in Jesus Christ, our Lord and Saviour. The strongest and most devout children of God have all suffered illness and physical death since the cross. Brother, you will not be moving mountains or escaping physical illness and physical death in this life. Remember that our real citizenship is in HEAVEN, and the trials of this short life are nothing in comparison to Eternal Life in GLORY with our LORD AND SAVIOUR, JESUS CHRIST. Thanks be unto God for HIS unspeakable GIFT! Love In Christ, Tom Title: Re:Authority is Ours!! Post by: Jabez on December 05, 2003, 04:58:16 PM I who was nothing until God,now am a son of God.I beleive in miracles.healing and all of what the Bible teachs.Where does it say these powers have been stripped?Dont you think Faith is the key?We start out as babes and our Faith grows.To say nothing can be done about a disease and sickness is putting restictions on God.I say to anyone who will listen,What cant God Do?
Title: Re:Authority is Ours!! Post by: nChrist on December 05, 2003, 05:54:00 PM I who was nothing until God,now am a son of God.I beleive in miracles.healing and all of what the Bible teachs.Where does it say these powers have been stripped?Dont you think Faith is the key?We start out as babes and our Faith grows.To say nothing can be done about a disease and sickness is putting restictions on God.I say to anyone who will listen,What cant God Do? Brother Jabez, The authority is God's, and HE hasn't given it to us. Only God performs miracles, and HE does so at HIS will, pleasure, and time. God did give that authority to many about 2,000 years ago, including the Apostle Paul. If you will remember, the Apostle Paul suffered illness for a good portion of his life, and he also suffered physical death, just like all others. Paul knew there were no restrictions on Almighty God, and Paul certainly had a measure of faith greater than your faith or my faith. Paul prayed for relief from his illness several times, and God did not grant it. Paul also asked in HIS name as a faithful servant of Almighty God, but it was not granted. Paul and all other men suffer physical illness and physical death. All who claim to be Divine Healers of today also suffer physical illness and physical death. Almighty God heals at HIS will, HIS pleasure, and HIS time, not at the command or will of man. If God's power is given to men of sufficient faith, why aren't all of the Apostles alive today? Where are all of the 2,000 year old children of God? The answer is really pretty simple. The AUTHORITY AND POWER BELONGS TO ALMIGHTY GOD, not us. Our power today is to pray to God that our request be granted, ONLY IF IT IS HIS WILL. God does answer prayer when it is HIS WILL to do so, not at the command or will of man or hosts of men, regardless of their faith. Love In Christ, Tom Title: Authority is Ours!! Post by: Ambassador4Christ on December 05, 2003, 06:30:22 PM I who was nothing until God,now am a son of God.I beleive in miracles.healing and all of what the Bible teachs.Where does it say these powers have been stripped?Dont you think Faith is the key?We start out as babes and our Faith grows.To say nothing can be done about a disease and sickness is putting restictions on God.I say to anyone who will listen,What cant God Do? Brother Jabez, The authority is God's, and HE hasn't given it to us. Only God performs miracles, and HE does so at HIS will, pleasure, and time. God did give that authority to many about 2,000 years ago, including the Apostle Paul. If you will remember, the Apostle Paul suffered illness for a good portion of his life, and he also suffered physical death, just like all others. Paul knew there were no restrictions on Almighty God, and Paul certainly had a measure of faith greater than your faith or my faith. Paul prayed for relief from his illness several times, and God did not grant it. Paul also asked in HIS name as a faithful servant of Almighty God, but it was not granted. Paul and all other men suffer physical illness and physical death. All who claim to be Divine Healers of today also suffer physical illness and physical death. Almighty God heals at HIS will, HIS pleasure, and HIS time, not at the command or will of man. If God's power is given to men of sufficient faith, why aren't all of the Apostles alive today? Where are all of the 2,000 year old children of God? The answer is really pretty simple. The AUTHORITY AND POWER BELONGS TO ALMIGHTY GOD, not us. Our power today is to pray to God that our request be granted, ONLY IF IT IS HIS WILL. God does answer prayer when it is HIS WILL to do so, not at the command or will of man or hosts of men, regardless of their faith. Love In Christ, Tom Amen Thank you Brother BEP, nothing but the truth. I pray your simple message will be understood by all that read it. Yours in Christ A4C Title: Re:Authority is Ours!! Post by: Jabez on December 05, 2003, 08:25:30 PM Luke
10:19 Behold, I give unto you power(Authority) to tread(Trample)on serpents(Snakes) and scorpions, and over all the power(Ability) of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt(Harm) you. ********** Me: Jesus gave Authority,nothing in me can do as Jesus,only God threw me can Great things be done for his glory! ********** quote BEP: If God's power is given to men of sufficient faith, why aren't all of the Apostles alive today? Where are all of the 2,000 year old children of God? ********** Me: Genesis 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also [is] flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. ********** quote BEP: Almighty God heals at HIS will, HIS pleasure, and HIS time, not at the command or will of man ********** Me: John14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater [works] than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. 13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do [it]. God will lead you in his Will.He will take you places you never thought possable.He will speak to you,its up to us to listen.Some go throught disease,suffering not realizeing God is prepareing them for something great.We dont always understand what God is doing through us,all we must do is have Faith no matter what!All is for the Glory of God! Title: Re:Authority is Ours!! Post by: nChrist on December 05, 2003, 09:39:25 PM Quote Amen Thank you Brother BEP, nothing but the truth. I pray your simple message will be understood by all that read it. Yours in Christ A4C Oklahoma Howdy to Brother Ambassador4Christ, You are most welcome. The problem appears to be a complete misunderstanding of God's purpose and God's time. Almighty God knew that miracles, signs, and wonders would be required to establish the truth of Christ. Almighty God also knew the miracles, signs, and wonders would be required to keep HIS messengers alive long enough to tell the GOOD NEWS. Even so, many of HIS messengers were still killed and Christ's own rejected and killed him. Without the miracles, signs, and wonders, we would not have the Holy Bible, and we would have never heard the GOOD NEWS. However, we have the indestructible and LIVING WORD OF GOD. It's a shame and almost a crime that many are led to believe they are sick because of a lack of faith or they haven't given enough money. The beautiful portions of Scripture are indeed the complete TRUTH, but not for us. Those beautiful Scriptures are most commonly used today by criminals who use them to commit fraud with the sick and dying. The criminal posing as a pastor will not live without illness and will not physically live to 120. They are accursed in this life and judged in the next. It makes me sick to think their most common victims are the elderly living on fixed incomes. I can visualize the so-called pastor laughing in his mansions while his victims do without food and medicine to support his lavish lifestyle. There should be an Old Testament penalty for a man using God's name to rob God's children. I am satisfied that Almighty God will deal with them appropriately at HIS chosen time. Love In Christ, Tom Title: The Authority Is God's Post by: nChrist on December 05, 2003, 10:02:32 PM Oklahoma Howdy to Jabez,
Brother, what I say is in Christian love, not hate or in humor. I think that others have tried to help you understand the Scriptures you are quoting, both from a Biblical and common sense point of view. You seem to be pretty well sold on the deception, regardless of common sense facts. I will simply ask you to please not stand in traffic or in front of a train. Please don't play with snakes or drink poison. You are just a man and will physically die, end of story. Please don't sell tickets for moving a mountain. Try moving a paper clip first. You can't do it, regardless of how strong your faith is. Brother, you are a victim of fraud and deception that is not of God and not from God. I will be praying for you. Love In Christ, Tom Title: Re:Authority is Ours!! Post by: Paul2 on December 05, 2003, 11:18:38 PM What about raising the dead? Apostles were able to raise the dead as well as heal and drive out demons. When you can raise the dead in Jesus name, you can claim authority.
Paul2 Title: The Authority is God's Post by: nChrist on December 06, 2003, 02:38:18 AM Oklahoma Howdy to Paul2,
Welcome back Brother! We've been missing you. If one can move mountains, raising the dead should be no problem. - Good Point. Love In Christ, Tom Title: Re:Authority is Ours!! Post by: 3wells on December 06, 2003, 03:44:06 AM Blackeyedpeas,
You would expect that the moderator of a forum such as ChristiansUnite to understand that the only thing we can possible unite around is the Word of God. You are entitled to you opinion of course, but somehow I think that denominational propaganda that cannot be scripturally verified is not very fitting for the role you have and does not set a good example for others to follow. Everything should be established by the testimony of two or three. Cessationism has nothing. It is a human theory and fails the test of scriptural verification. That alone is enough to classify it as a false doctrine. Title: Re:Authority is Ours!! Post by: 3wells on December 06, 2003, 10:10:28 AM Blackeyedpeas:
"You can't do it, regardless of how strong your faith is." Jesus: "I tell you the truth, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there' and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you." So who is telling the truth? You or Jesus? It's not Jabez you are fighting against. It is the truth. You guys amaze me! You praise the Word of God, nominate your favorite apostle, and then turn around and contradict both! Amening each other because you subscribe to the same denominational dogma. Having a form of godliness, but denying its power. That is one sure way of determining which "time" we are living in. What Jesus said is not the truth simply because you or I see mountains being moved or people raised from the dead. Not seeing these things happening does not justify altering scripture to suit your view of reality. It's the truth because the Word tells us so! Title: The Authority is God's! Post by: nChrist on December 06, 2003, 11:26:53 AM 3Wells,
There is no alteration of Scripture. It's really a very simple matter of who the Scripture is directed to, for what purpose, and for what time. There is no denial of the awesome might and power of Almighty God. There is a denial that men have HIS power. There is no denial that Almighty God has complete Authority over all. There is a denial that man commands this authority. I can only assume by your last post that you have faith greater than a mustard seed. Just the plain and simple truth, you can't move a paper clip either. There are many today who still look for the miracles, signs, and wonders as a prerequisite for faith. There are others who claim to perform those miracles, signs, and wonders in the name of Almighty God. They are frauds and deceivers - the truth is not in them. Almighty God performs HIS WILL at HIS pleasure and HIS time, not at the command of men of today. There was a time some 2,000 years ago that God allowed chosen vessels to perform great works in HIS NAME. Almighty God had a purpose and time for allowing this, and that purpose and time has passed. Almighty God has the Authority, not man. In Christ, Tom Title: Re:Authority is Ours!! Post by: Jabez on December 06, 2003, 11:58:33 AM quote BEP:
I will simply ask you to please not stand in traffic or in front of a train. Please don't play with snakes or drink poison. You are just a man and will physically die, end of story. *** Please don't sell tickets for moving a mountain. Try moving a paper clip first. You can't do it, regardless of how strong your faith is. Brother, you are a victim of fraud and deception that is not of God and not from God. I will be praying for you. ******** Matthew 4:7 7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. Me: I would ask you the same. ******** quote BEP: There was a time some 2,000 years ago that God allowed chosen vessels to perform great works in HIS NAME. Almighty God had a purpose and time for allowing this, and that purpose and time has passed. ******** Me: What verse says that? ******** quote BEP: Almighty God performs HIS WILL at HIS pleasure and HIS time, not at the command of men of today. ******** Me: Men cant not command the authority of God.God works threw men for the Glory of God. ******** quote BEP: Almighty God has the Authority, not man. ******** Me: Amen,praise God!Does God work threw men?Have you ever heard his voice?Heres a story i heard once.There once was a young man who beleived in God,while he was at church he prayed to God to hear him.Nothing happened that night or for the next few weeks.About 4 weeks later on his way home from church he felt something telling to go to the store and buy a gallon of milk,at first he was like hrmmm.Then he realized as he spoke out loud to God that God was speaking to him.So not wanting to miss this chance he obeyed.He gets back in his car and out loud hes says i got it,then nothing else,so he goes on going home,then he felt the urge to turn left at a street he never used,so he did,then he was prepelled to stop in front of a house,so he did.As he sat there confused not sure,he was moved to take the gallon of milk to this house with no lights on late at night.He knocked on the door scared that the people would be mad,as he stood there he heard screaming and yelling,so he turned to leave as he did the door opened and the man said what do you want?He handed the man the milk,and the man burst into tears and said i didnt know how we were gonna make it,the baby is cring and we had no milk for her so all we did was pray. *** I know iam leaveing some out of the story,because i dont remember all of it,but i think you get the point. Title: Re:The Authority is God's! Post by: 3wells on December 06, 2003, 01:02:29 PM 3Wells, There is no alteration of Scripture. It's really a very simple matter of who the Scripture is directed to, for what purpose, and for what time. There is no denial of the awesome might and power of Almighty God. There is a denial that men have HIS power. There is no denial that Almighty God has complete Authority over all. There is a denial that man commands this authority. I can only assume by your last post that you have faith greater than a mustard seed. Just the plain and simple truth, you can't move a paper clip either. There are many today who still look for the miracles, signs, and wonders as a prerequisite for faith. There are others who claim to perform those miracles, signs, and wonders in the name of Almighty God. They are frauds and deceivers - the truth is not in them. Almighty God performs HIS WILL at HIS pleasure and HIS time, not at the command of men of today. There was a time some 2,000 years ago that God allowed chosen vessels to perform great works in HIS NAME. Almighty God had a purpose and time for allowing this, and that purpose and time has passed. Almighty God has the Authority, not man. In Christ, Tom Tom, You can assume about me whatever you want and make dogmatic claims about who and for how long the words of the Bible apply. That does not make it true. Let the reader take note of the fact that in neither of these cases do you supply any evidence, in the form of scripture or otherwise. You think Jesus words were only meant for a certain time. Good for you! But once again I choose to believe Him rather than you: "Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away" For the record: I don't need to move a paperclip to prove that what Jesus said is true. I believe it - without any prerequisites! Title: Re:Authority is Ours!! Post by: 2nd Timothy on December 07, 2003, 09:06:01 AM I would probably be wise to stay out of this discussion, but I cannot resist ;D
Its clear that some here do not see eye to eye here. Lets make it simple. 1. There is no doubt that there are phoney faith healers that are pure frauds. 2. There is no doubt that God is able to do anything. 3. There is no doubt that God answers prayer. None of these points should require any debating. If I may offer a story that I assure you is true. Many years ago, my Grandmother was diagnosed with Leukemia. It had eaten a large hole in one of her lungs, and the doctor had given her only weeks or months to live. Some ladies from the church came over to the house to pray for her one evening, and did so believing God for a miracle. A few days went by, and my Grandmother returned to the hospital believing she had been healed seeking the doctors confirmation. They took an xray of the lungs to find that there was no longer a hole, but rather a scar where the hole had once been. Of course this was re-xrayed due to the doctors dismay. Was this a miracle? There is no other explaination. There is no question in my mind, that God preformed a miracle that day. Was it because it was Gods will? No question. Was it because of faith? No question. I have not studied the scripture about healing, so I cannot offer points or verses. But I do know, that God still preforms miracles today, and faith is the fuel. Seeing is believing in this case for me. I have no doubt, that God still works miracles today. He doesnt need man to do it, but there should also be no question that he works through men that are willing to yield to him for whatever his purpose is. Grace and Peace! Title: The purpose of signs, wonders and miracles Post by: Sower on December 07, 2003, 07:40:55 PM We have the Authority,who can deny this?Through Jesus people can and are still healed today.Miracles happen all the time.Demons are cast out in Jesus' name The authority of the believer today is (a) the written Word of God (Eph. 6:17) and his or her power against Satan's attacks is "the whole armour of God" (Eph.6:10-18) which in essence is (b) the indwelling Christ (Eph. 1:19-23) who has all power [authority] in heaven and in earth (Matt.28:18). However, signs, wonders and miracles had their own specific purposes: 1. TO PROVE THAT JESUS OF NAZARETH IS THE SON OF GOD and to GENERATE FAITH IN HIM "And many other SIGNS truly did Jesus in the presence of His disciples, which are not written in this book: but these are written that YE MIGHT BELIEVE that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of god; and that believing ye might have life through His name" (Jn 20:30-31) "Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, A MAN APPROVED OF GOD among you by MIRACLES AND WONDERS AND SIGNS, which God did by Him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know..." (Acts 2:22). 2. TO PROVE THAT THE APOSTLES AND THEIR COMPANIONS HAD BEEN COMMISSIONED BY GOD TO PREACH THE GOSPEL "And now Lord, behold their threatenings; and grant unto thy servants, that with all boldness they may speak thy Word, by stretching forth thine hand TO HEAL; AND THAT SIGNS AND WONDERS MAY BE DONE by the name of thy holy child Jesus. And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the Word of God with boldness...AND WITH GREAT POWER GAVE THE APOSTLES WITNESS of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus; and great grace was upon them all" (Acts 4:29-33). "How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation, which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard Him; GOD ALSO BEARING THEM WITNESS, BOTH WITH SIGNS AND WONDERS, AND WITH DIVERS MIRACLES, AND GIFTS OF THE HOLY GHOST, according to His own will" (Heb. 2:3-4). Does God still perform miracles today? Absolutely. Does He use them as "signs" to authenticate the Gospel message today? That is debatable. Signs were given to unbelieving Jews since the Jews always looked for a sign (1 Cor. 1:22-23), and Christ rebuked them very specifically because even after all His miracles, they still looked for a sign. Jesus said they would not believe "though one rose from the dead" and it is absolutely true. Today Christians proclaim the Risen Christ, while Jews who cling to Judaism still reject Jesus of Nazareth, though He rose from the dead. To the Gentiles and to the world today, the exhortation of Christ is thus" "Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: BLESSED ARE THEY THAT HAVE NOT SEEN, AND YET HAVE BELIEVED". (Jn. 20:29). Because we live in the "last days", we can be deceived by "signs and lying wonders" which emanate from Satan. In fact, the Antichrist will use Satanic miracles to "authenticate" His power as "the Messiah". So beware of signs and lying wonders today. Jesus warned us thus:"For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew GREAT SIGNS AND WONDERS; inasmuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Behold I have told you before" (Matt.24:24-25). Title: The Authority is God's! Post by: Brother Love on December 08, 2003, 06:02:28 AM 3Wells, There is no alteration of Scripture. It's really a very simple matter of who the Scripture is directed to, for what purpose, and for what time. There is no denial of the awesome might and power of Almighty God. There is a denial that men have HIS power. There is no denial that Almighty God has complete Authority over all. There is a denial that man commands this authority. I can only assume by your last post that you have faith greater than a mustard seed. Just the plain and simple truth, you can't move a paper clip either. There are many today who still look for the miracles, signs, and wonders as a prerequisite for faith. There are others who claim to perform those miracles, signs, and wonders in the name of Almighty God. They are frauds and deceivers - the truth is not in them. Almighty God performs HIS WILL at HIS pleasure and HIS time, not at the command of men of today. There was a time some 2,000 years ago that God allowed chosen vessels to perform great works in HIS NAME. Almighty God had a purpose and time for allowing this, and that purpose and time has passed. Almighty God has the Authority, not man. In Christ, Tom Thats how I believe, AMEN Brother Brother Love :) Title: Re:Authority is Ours!! Post by: Jabez on December 08, 2003, 11:45:15 AM B.E.P. i was reading through some studies and this verse stuck out to me and really grabbed me..
Romans 9 15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.16 So then [it is] not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. I know its by God' will not mans..:) Title: Re:The Authority is God's! Post by: 3wells on December 08, 2003, 03:25:39 PM 3Wells, There is no alteration of Scripture. It's really a very simple matter of who the Scripture is directed to, for what purpose, and for what time. There is no denial of the awesome might and power of Almighty God. There is a denial that men have HIS power. There is no denial that Almighty God has complete Authority over all. There is a denial that man commands this authority. I can only assume by your last post that you have faith greater than a mustard seed. Just the plain and simple truth, you can't move a paper clip either. There are many today who still look for the miracles, signs, and wonders as a prerequisite for faith. There are others who claim to perform those miracles, signs, and wonders in the name of Almighty God. They are frauds and deceivers - the truth is not in them. Almighty God performs HIS WILL at HIS pleasure and HIS time, not at the command of men of today. There was a time some 2,000 years ago that God allowed chosen vessels to perform great works in HIS NAME. Almighty God had a purpose and time for allowing this, and that purpose and time has passed. Almighty God has the Authority, not man. In Christ, Tom Thats how I believe, AMEN Brother Brother Love :) So you also believe this: "There is no denial of the awesome might and power of Almighty God. There is a denial that men have HIS power. ... Almighty God has the Authority, not man." Despite the fact that the Bible clearly says this: "Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God." (Rom 13:1) Even Pontius Pilate received his authority from God - according to Jesus! So who are you to say otherwise? Do either of you really think that "having a form of godliness, but denying its power" has anything to do with people denying God's power? Who on earth having "a form of godliness" would say "God has no power"? Think about it! Although it sounds religiously correct to say "God has AWESOME power" I don't think it has anything to do with what that scripture is talking about. Only an athiest would disagree with that statment! Title: Re:Authority is Ours!! Post by: Brother Love on December 09, 2003, 04:27:46 AM QUOTE 3wells:
Do either of you really think that "having a form of godliness, but denying its power" has anything to do with people denying God's power? Who on earth having "a form of godliness" would say "God has no power"? Think about it! Who is denying the Power of God? When I read your posts I feel like I am back in Sunday School. Grace & Peace Brother Love :) Title: Re:Authority is Ours!! Post by: 3wells on December 09, 2003, 04:40:53 AM QUOTE 3wells: Do either of you really think that "having a form of godliness, but denying its power" has anything to do with people denying God's power? Who on earth having "a form of godliness" would say "God has no power"? Think about it! Who is denying the Power of God? When I read your posts I feel like I am back in Sunday School. Grace & Peace Brother Love :) You are misunderstanding me. I am not saying that you are denying the fact that God has power. What idiot would say otherwise? The verse we were discussing is this: "having a form of godliness, but denying its power" If this verse has refering to God's power alone it would hardly make sense. It speaks about the power of godliness - that is, given to man in response to faith. The Bible prophesies that this power would be denied in the last days. Title: Authority Post by: PhilKosba on December 09, 2003, 09:02:34 AM Dear Jabez
There is authority. God has authority over everything in this universe because He created everything. A bishop/elder has authority over his diocese, a pastor/priest has authority over his parish, a father has authority over his family, a husband has authority over his wife, a company owner/boss has authority over his staff. There are political authority and authority in the spiritual realm. But now, ALL authority in heaven and on earth is been given to Lord Jesus Christ. Hence He has given us (all those who believe, including you and me) the Great Commission with this authority of His Name, 'the Name above all names', to go and make disciples of all nations. This command of the King is still valid, and will be valid until He comes back to take us home to be with Him always. A brother in another thread asked why Jesus asked His disciples to wait in Jerusalem based Luke 24:49. It is a good question. A brother answered to read Acts 1:1-9. Look at all professional workers, they all have uniforms. A doctor has a uniform, a nurse has a uniform, an engineer has a uniform, etc. The greatest of all jobs is Evangelism. It is the most highly paid job in the whole world. We, the children of God, the believers in the Lord Jesus Christ, also need to wear uniforms before we get into Lords work. That is the reason why the Lord Jesus commanded His disciples to tarry in Jerusalem, until they receive their uniform. Read carefully the verse in Luke 24:49 - "And behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you; -but stay in the city, until you are clothed with power from on high." (RSV) -but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high. (KJV) As far as I have studied, there are two major Greek words used here, katisathe and dunamis. In essence, this verse means, "sit tight (don't get up), until you receive the uniform (which is miraculous power)". Also read Acts 1:8 here. Without this you can not be His witness. Suppose an athlete finished first in a race in the Olympic games but did not get the medal (was disqualified) because he changed his track by mistake. We are all runners in the Christian race. We need to finish our race and get the rewards. What if you will be denied your reward on your judgment day because you ran in wrong track? What if you don't get the right reward after doing a lot of great works for the Lord because you did not wear proper uniform? Will you be able to come back to earth and do it again? Live today as if you stand before God tomorrow. Anointing of the Holy Spirit is what you need Jabez. Don't get satisfied thinking that you have received the baptism in the Holy Spirit when you accepted Jesus. Anointing does unusual things. That is your authority from above. Some have grasshopper mentality and others are like the old fox that said the grapes are sour. Don't listen to their verbal acrobatism. They know a lot of 'information' from the Word but that will only discourage you. Speak encouraging and gracious words, seasoned with salt. The sign of the age is lack of the 'fear of God'. Both the Names, Messiah and Christ, mean the Anointed One. This comes from Chrism/Chrio which means "to smear or rub with oil". Oil stands for the Holy Spirit. God rubs His power on us which we lack in our Christian life and our ministry. That is the anointing. Anointing breaks the yoke. Like the Psalmist, we need fresh anointing everyday with new oil. The disciples had to wait/tarry because the Holy Spirit had not come at that time. But now, it is not the situation. He is already here, since the day of Pentecost (making up the Bride, until the Groom comes and calls her home). Now is the dispensation of the Holy Spirit. Ezekiel 47:5b "--and it was a river that I could not pass over: for the waters were risen, waters to swim in, a river that could not be passed over." What you need is thirst to drink. "--how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?" (Luke 11:13b) Ask, the Mighty Baptizer will fill you. And you will drink and will overflow. Rivers of living water will gush out of your innermost being, your koilia, and you will speak in tongues. Jabez, I see great zeal in you for the Lords work. I have watched your growth from the first thread to this one. GO for it, and RECEIVE it. Then, "Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of the LORD is risen upon thee." All the gifts of the Holy Spirit are still in operation. They are not ceased yet. When there will be no more works to do(?), then the gifts will be ceased. Think about 'Uzzah'. In our eyes, he did the right thing, touching the ark 'in an attempt to prevent it from falling off the cart'. But God's wrath fell upon him and he instantly died. David was stunned and upset by God's anger. To please God, we must do His work His way. So never say, I don't want this gift or that because some people misuse it. It can grieve the Holy Spirit. And it could be a dangerous play because it is in Him we are sealed for the day of redemption. God instituted them for the success of His workers. Because the whole world is in the power of the evil one. "In the world you have tribulation; but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world." (John 16:33b; 2 Tim 3:12, etc.) Tribulation and chastening are there. Sickness and bondage are there. They are in the menu. But praise God, divine healing and deliverance are also here for those who believe in it. Several times I have experienced divine healing and I enjoy it. I believe what Bro. Timothy wrote above about his grandma's healing from leukemia. Jesus came to do the Will of His Father and the Will of His Father is that we be healed. Jesus healed all those who came to him. [Actually hospitals must be closed and sick should be healed in the church, by pastors and priests by laying hands on them, giving all glory, praise and honor to the Lord Jesus.] The Lord is Jehovah Raafa, the Lord that healeth thee. He is the Deliverer. Many people think the miracles have finished by deaths of the apostles. No. My God is a God of miracles, His Name is Wonderful, He never changes. He is the same yesterday, today and forever. A person when accepts Jesus, he is being delivered from the bondage of Satan. This is the initial deliverance (the Truth setting us free). Many people come to the Lord through miraculous healing and deliverance. You are correct regarding John 14:12. You will do first the work the Lord did, and then, greater works because the Lord said, "the Father is greater than I". (14:28b) and He is interceding for us at the right-hand side of the Father. But you need the anointing. Love must be above all. Take out the word "love" from the five verses (4~8) of the Love Chapter and replace it with your name, and see how it works in your life. Go for practical Christianity Jabez. Don't look at men, all will have to give account one day for what they say and do. Look at the Lord Jesus, Who is the Author and Finisher of faith and do your calling. But when you become a great servant of the Lord, always remember, 'We are unworthy servants; we have only done what was our duty.'" (Luke 17:10) The Lord's call is still on, Is anyone thirsty? He, who has an ear, let him hear! All glory to my Lord Jesus! Blessings in the Lord! (attributes to verses added.) Title: Re:Authority is Ours!! Post by: Jabez on December 21, 2003, 07:15:22 PM Philippians 2
9-Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:10-That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;11-And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Acts 4:12 12-Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. John 16:23-24 23-And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.24-Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full. Need more proof of Authority? Title: Re:Authority is Ours!! Post by: Jabez on December 22, 2003, 10:59:04 AM Are we in agreement?
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