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Why is it the ones always screaming the loudest for tolerance are always the most intolerant?

Why is it the accusers are usually the ones guilty of what they accuse others of?

Human nature.

Yes, that is probably true.
However the base nature of humans can be overcome and turned around toward a better way. Ones heart has to want to do it. If not the down side of human nature can prevail.

The heart is desparately wicked who can know it.

Circumscion of the flesh was a shadow of the circumscion God had in mind when teaching the children of Israel.

The apostle Paul wrote this in;

Rom 2
29  But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Intolerance then is the selfish nature of man, manifesting itself by the works of the heart which has not been cuircumcised in the spirit.

It is really a new heart and spirit.

A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.  (Eze 36:26)

The things we hate in others are the things we hate in ourselves. As Christians, we feel forgiven for the things we hate in ourselves so we can forgive others. The people who don't have the forgiveness of God are left with having to project their hatred onto others. Accusers are convicted and without forgiveness have to lash out at others. They then also hate the ones who do have forgiveness because they don't have it in themselves. This infuriates them even more and they have nothing to but unleash their fury at others. It's really very sad because all they have to do is ask for forgiveness from God but their proud nature keeps them from doing that.

Heidi - stop with the generalizations.  

Please read the above sentence 54 times.  Thank you.  Maybe then it will have been able to penetrate at least a LITTLE into your head.

Stop being so arrogant and condescending by assuming you know everything about the "poor, angry, uneducated atheists".  

~AAAA

Jesus made a lot of generalizations. What i said is either true or it isn't. I have opinions and I'm entitled to them. If it doesn't fit you, ignore it.

Yes, isn't it interesting that those who are "free thinkers', atheists, homosexuals, and such, will tolerate anything that is evil. Their mantra is "Choice" and "who am I or you to judge another".

Yet, espouse a Christian Worldview and all hell breaks loose.

Could it be because that their father is the devil?

Psalm 119

Petro, Heidi,

Good posts, Thanks. It was a pleasure to read and learn of your thoughts about my thoughts.

Maybe it's because the people who claim to represent God so often come across as selfish, bigotted, narrow-minded science-fearing sadoes.

I said God's true people not the psuedo-christian hypocrites.
If you know God's word the difference can be detected immedietely. It does seem to be ignorance that creates bigotry against God's truth and true people.

Galatians 5:16.  This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
 17.  For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
 18.  But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
 19.  Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
 20.  Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
 21.  Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
 22. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
 23.  Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
 24.  And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
 25.  If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
 26.  Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.

And how, exactly, is the unbeliever going to tell the difference.  The view they will see as representing God is that of the "Christians" who shout the loudest.
"It takes one to know one"? ;D

The fact is that it shouldn't - it should be self evident in how we behave.  But it clearly isn't.

The reason people don't know gooness is that they don't see that they are not good inside. Jesus said "No one is good but God alone." We all do things to glorify ourselves. We try to extract love from others by making ourselves look intelligent, seeking recognition, fame, power, whatever we want to make us look good in the eyes of others. Even helping others is done to make us look caring. The ones who say that isn't true are saying it to make them look good. We are all riddled with selfishness. But it isn't until we admit these things and accept forgiveness from God, that we can do things to glorify God instead of ourselves.

True, but how does this affect the discussion?

AAAA,

The thread title is intolerance. Are you lashing out at God, the person who mentioned God, or both? I didn't see your name in the post or even a casual hint that anyone could be referring to you. Are you feeling convicted about something?

In response to Ebia, I was responding to Ollie's statement about people's ignorance about goodness.

Oklahoma Howdy to Psalm 119,

I think that you just unraveled a great mystery with your post. However, I bet they won't thank you for it. It's far too logical, simple, and true, so they will wish to shoot the messenger.

In Christ,
Tom

Ebia,

Just wondering, do you represent or belong to God? I can't tell, so I thought I would ask.

I try to (not necessarly very well), and yes, in that order.

I don't hear the Holy Spirit in you, at all, Ebia. Born again Christians are recognized by their fruits. Your fruits have been name-calling, insults and personal attacks. Those are not fruits of the spirit. I have received many wonderful e-mails from Christians on this board thanking me for my Godly responses.  I'd like to hear one Godly response from you.

Thinking logically is unGodly now is it?
Attacking faulty logic is not attacking a person.

Actually I don't agree that thinking logically is ungodly. The truth has NO contradictions. God's logic is perfect. There is a huge difference between human logic and God's logic. Human logic exists to perpetuate our own beliefs whether or not they're true. Human logic comes purely from what we understand. Without the holy Spirit, we are incapable of understanding God's logic. With the holy Spirit, God's logic makes perfect sense. That's why atheists have such a hard time understanding God's logic. Human logic is narrow and linear.

And you have attacked people. I'm still awaiting a loving response from you.

If the logic available to us is flawed, then there is no point having this or any other discussion.

God, on the other hand, doesn't need logic if he already knows everything.


You don't seem to understand logic at all.  While our assumptions are both limited and flawed, the process of reasoning (logic) should (in theory) be perfect.  Outside of pure maths that isn't possible, but we can strive towards it.  The logic itself isn't subject to understanding, what is subject to understanding is the starting assumptions and, therefore, the conclusion(s).

Tosh.  It's either logical or it isn't.  Being a Christian doesn't make me a better mathematician.


What you mean is, that with the Holy Spirit we are (should be) willing to accept more without logic (faith), and have a better understanding of the "assumptions" from which we can deduce.

This is nothing but a cop-out.  "I'm right and you're wrong - but you don't have the Holy Spirit so I can't even explain why you are wrong"

where?

Ebia,

Your answer still leaves me with, "I can't tell", so I'll ask a more direct question.

Have you accepted Jesus Christ into your heart as your personal LORD and SAVIOUR, LORD over your life?

Yes.

I'm not trying to be evasive, really.

Ebia, I typed a long answer to you post but as usual, my computer froze up and i couldn't post it. I don't want to type it again but I disagree with all of your arguments.

1. People still converse with each other if they agree on premises even if those premises are not true. The Nazi's agreed with Htiler's logic even though his logic was irrational.

God's logic is perfect because he has a specific plan that has to be carried out in a certain way, down to the last dotted i. Just because we humans may not understand His logic doesn't mean it isn't logical. Our assumptions can change once we receive the Holy Spirit. What once seemd impossible with our logic now seems possible. For example, the idea that Methusela lived 900 years seems impossible in human logic. But who knows if the atmospheric conditions weren't different thousands of years ago? Maybe there was less pollution and disease, less bacteria, etc. What we humans do is project our understanding of the world today into the past. That is a narrow perception of the world. Our "knowledge" of today changs as fast as "scientists" change their minds.

How does being a better mathematician going to make one understand god better?

As I explained before, without the Holy Spirit, man has a limited notion of what is possible and what isn't. Therefore atheists's understanding is limited.

I'm surprised you don't see the power of the Holy Spirit, being a born again Christian. It's like night and day. I trust people who have the holy Spirit in them more than i trust people who don't because the Holy Spirit is called the spirit of truth by Christ...unless you don't believe His words.

You have made some remark about someone's brain and have attacked character. If you really want to see, go back to all your responses.

To be honest, I suspect that logic is a construction that only applies within creation - ie it's part of creation - and so to talk about the logic of God is nonsensical.  But of course, such would be impossible to prove or disprove.


Perfectly true.



Hopefully should if not must change.


To the point that it depended on the initial [invalid] assumptions.

We can actually measure such things.  Your idea of science is so nieve I can hardly believe it.

See above.  Scientists frequently alter the detail, to an increasing degree of precision, but some ideas are so well attested by scores of independent sources of evidence that the chance of them being substantially wrong is vanishingly small.


Thats a cop-out that you can use to justify anything.

I do trust the power of the Holy Spirit, but the evidence I have is that in many areas the reasoning of groups that include non-Christians is also reliable.  I don't expect a Christian to do substantially better at telling me what time my train is going to leave in the morning than the bloke in the kiosk.


I apologised for that.

What a ludicrous assertion. Do you really believe that.?

I sometimes do  :-\

We are living in an era where evil is being promoted as freedom and good.
 And Good is being promoted as totalitarian and bad.

Well said. I don't think it is ludicrous in the least.

 


maybe  just intolerant :P