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Title: Have you ever been "persecuted"
Post by: Athanael on September 01, 2003, 01:11:42 PM
I hear from both Christians and atheists that they get a lot of flack for their beliefs. I'm curious--has anyone on this forum had interesting persecution experiences?


Title: Re:Have you ever been "persecuted"
Post by: preacherintraining on September 01, 2003, 04:12:00 PM
Just by people on this board.


Title: Re:Have you ever been "persecuted"
Post by: Mr. 5020 on September 05, 2003, 01:52:45 PM
C'mon, we as Americans don't have the slightest idea what religious persecution is.  Click here to visit Voice of the Martyrs. (http://www.persecution.com)  There you can read about real persecution.


Title: Re:Have you ever been "persecuted"
Post by: Heidi on September 05, 2003, 03:53:30 PM
I expect persecution for proclaiming God's word. Jesus prophesied that the world would reject us because of Him and again, He was right. I feel for my persecutors because they can't help themselves. All of us can only know what we know. Sometimes I feel lonely for my beliefs, but God gives me the strength to not take it personally. i guess I feel sadness and great sympathy for those who don't believe. Their search for the truth will never end until they accept Christ. Some may never find Him. If I get overwhelmed by too many God hating people, i seek the company of believers for a while.


Title: Re:Have you ever been "persecuted"
Post by: Mr. 5020 on September 05, 2003, 04:00:16 PM
But really, this persecution is like, "They called me a bad name.  Waah!"


Title: Re:Have you ever been "persecuted"
Post by: Reba on September 06, 2003, 01:41:34 AM
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 Have you ever been "persecuted"

 Sure  I'm a preachers kid  :P

 On a serious note. . .

Mr 5020,
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C'mon, we as Americans don't have the slightest idea what religious persecution is.

You are correct.


Title: Re:Have you ever been "persecuted"
Post by: Psalm 119 on September 08, 2003, 04:20:37 PM
I have been imprisoned for saving babies through Operation Rescue. But the time in the pokey was nothing! Knowing that there are children walking around;makes it was all worth it!

Today, people think if someone snubs you it's persecution! We don't have a clue.

As someone mentioned before check out The Voice of the Martyrs @ www.persecution.com. That is true persectuion.

Hopefully, people in America will wake up and smell the coffee, before we are living like our brothers and sisters in third world countries.

Psalm 119

ps I consider the fiasco with Judge Roy Moore to also be persecution; perpetuated by high officials in the government.


Title: Re:Have you ever been "persecuted"
Post by: Saved_4ever on September 09, 2003, 03:27:30 AM
No nothing as severe as losing my life or being injured, BUT I have lost a job and many friends because of my faith in Christ.

Again though this is nothing compared to some.  You could always argue that everything is relative but I won't.   ;)


Title: Re:Have you ever been "persecuted"
Post by: Tibby on September 09, 2003, 01:14:17 PM
ps I consider the fiasco with Judge Roy Moore to also be persecution; perpetuated by high officials in the government.

“Judge” Moore brought that on him self. Anything for fame. I’m waiting for the book deal to come out, now. He can make more money as a NYT Best Seller then he ever would as a Judge. Not like he ever behaved like a Judge anyways.


Title: Re:Have you ever been "persecuted"
Post by: Psalm 119 on September 15, 2003, 10:28:42 PM
Tibby,

You have been ill informed of the events that have transpired around the Ten Commandments controversy. I suggest you do your homework on the matter.

Or is is the real issue, that the Ten Commandments are offensive to you? Could it be, because they were written with the finger of God?

Judge Moore was an obscure man until the ACLU and Southern Poverty League came knocking.Had they just minded their own business, this never would have been publicized. These two godless groups just picked on the wrong person!

After forty years of continuing oppression by anti-Christ groups, God has raised up a man to say "No More".

I'm sorry you don't like God's choice; you will have to take the issue up with Him.

Psalm 119


Title: Re:Have you ever been "persecuted"
Post by: Tibby on September 16, 2003, 12:30:00 AM
Here is all I need to know:

1. Secular Judges are sworn to uphold the law
2. When Secular Judges make this vow, he knows he will have to do things he doesn’t like, but it is part of the job as a Secular Judge.
3. The highest Secular law in the Secular land told him to remove a chunk of rock
4. The Secular Judge fought it every Secular way he knew how, and even though MILLIONS of Christians where praying for God to stop this, he didn’t.
5. The Secular Judge who swore to uphold the Secular law, broke the law.

You seem the believe that Judge Moore could not have possibly did it for fame because he was a nobody until the ACLU attacked him. Did you ever stop think that when the ACLU attacked him, he saw it as a chance to become famous?

Moore went through all the proper Channels, why did God not work though them? He has before, why hasn’t he interfered? You just have to ask your self why in this case. At the current moment, all Judge Moore has done is embarrasses Christians. Why does the ACLU fight though the courts, the legal way, while we have to break laws, and we still don't solve anything? Is that the way an All-powerful God wants it?


Title: Re:Have you ever been "persecuted"
Post by: Saved_4ever on September 16, 2003, 01:58:19 AM
I'm not gowing to judge Mr. Moore, however I would have to disagree with you Tibby.  You seem to be in a rather odd position to me.  You'll defend a secular sports star for cheating on his wife because he had a clean rep but when someone stands up for God he's out for money.  Do you know the term pessimist?

God does things in His own timing and not ours.  I think the issue is proving more of a point than some would admit.  More major news stations cover controversy then simple "boring law".  If Judge Moore had simply won through the courts it wouldn't get much attention.  However because there was such a ruckus over the issue everyone covered it.  Which way had more focus on the LORD?  You may still not agree but I doubt that the issue would have had much if any coverage had it gone over "legally".  I wonder Tibby what else would you simply bow out of because secular law told you to?  Judge Moore should and will have to deal with the consequences of the law because that is biblical but he should still do what is right before God.

Most gov't buildings have scripture quoted on the walls somewhere or even on the floor in the entrance to the buildings.  It is simply new modern revitionist history to pretend that God is not who we believe to be the ruler of this land.  I have even started to hear more ludicrous things such as Ben Franklin and the gang actually came up with our laws from the native americans.  Utter garbage but this is what I have heard told on tv as fact.

As the world turns I suppose.


Title: Re:Have you ever been "persecuted"
Post by: twobombs on September 16, 2003, 02:20:07 AM
Yo American sleepyheads(tm) :

9/11 ground zero is christian persecution

And the smoking debris of the once proud coastal cities of the US will also be cathegorised in that direction.


Title: Re:Have you ever been "persecuted"
Post by: Saved_4ever on September 16, 2003, 02:25:19 AM
Yo American sleepyheads(tm) :

9/11 ground zero is christian persecution

And the smoking debris of the once proud coastal cities of the US will also be cathegorised in that direction.

Why would that be Christian persecution?  We were attacked because of our secular ways, and capitalism.


Title: Re:Have you ever been "persecuted"
Post by: ebia on September 16, 2003, 04:48:32 AM
Yo American sleepyheads(tm) :

9/11 ground zero is christian persecution

And the smoking debris of the once proud coastal cities of the US will also be cathegorised in that direction.

Why would that be Christian persecution?  We were attacked because of our secular ways, and capitalism.
:)  I get to agree with Saved_4ever for a change!


Title: Re:Have you ever been "persecuted"
Post by: twobombs on September 16, 2003, 12:25:40 PM
Saved_4_Ever : the divine protection wasn't there anymore, therefore it took place, and more will take place; [even fullfulling a lot of prophecy] but the persecution was/is very real IMHO

The suffering in some families is tremendous over there; most of them christian families; as the USA is still known to be a christian nation, and therefore a target.

Why do you think is the EU not attacked ? We're much more nicer to the Arabs and Palestine ppl.

In my idea the price of the EU will be much higher: we'll have to talk to the Lord about our sins; you, as the Israeli ppl, suffer in this world.

Here in the EU ppl are rich; our pitfall is wealth and riches and judging the state of Israel.


Title: Re:Have you ever been "persecuted"
Post by: Mr. 5020 on September 16, 2003, 12:33:58 PM
The EU is not attacked because it is the future kingdom of the Antichrist.


Title: Re:Have you ever been "persecuted"
Post by: Whitehorse on September 17, 2003, 11:28:37 PM
Have I been persecuted? Absolutely. Every day.


Title: Re:Have you ever been "persecuted"
Post by: Heidi on September 18, 2003, 08:28:39 AM
I know i have been attacked more on this forum than anywhere else. I was in a bible study last years that said if people don't hate you for your belief in Jesus then you haven't stood up for Him enough. So I decided to witness more this past month. Now I don't know if witnessing is for me. I do feel like a sheep going out to packs and packs of wolves. Then i think about Jesus being the ONLY Christian in His time. Not one single person understood His resurrection while He was alive. He was killed for His words, why should I expect not to be ridiculed? I guess i have to do it in small doses. But it re-enforces for me just how holy He was.


Title: Re:Have you ever been "persecuted"
Post by: Mr. 5020 on September 27, 2003, 12:31:08 PM
I know i have been attacked more on this forum than anywhere else. I was in a bible study last years that said if people don't hate you for your belief in Jesus then you haven't stood up for Him enough. So I decided to witness more this past month. Now I don't know if witnessing is for me. I do feel like a sheep going out to packs and packs of wolves. Then i think about Jesus being the ONLY Christian in His time. Not one single person understood His resurrection while He was alive. He was killed for His words, why should I expect not to be ridiculed? I guess i have to do it in small doses. But it re-enforces for me just how holy He was.

Although I understand your point, Jesus Christ was not a Christian.  He was Christ, not a "little Christ."


Title: Re:Have you ever been "persecuted"
Post by: Tamara on October 07, 2003, 07:17:27 AM
Persecuted for my faith?  You bet.  And, will that move me from it? No way.  It happens all the time.  This is when we should show our strength.  

Love...Tamara



Title: Re:Have you ever been "persecuted"
Post by: Whitehorse on October 11, 2003, 02:44:59 PM
I know i have been attacked more on this forum than anywhere else. I was in a bible study last years that said if people don't hate you for your belief in Jesus then you haven't stood up for Him enough. So I decided to witness more this past month. Now I don't know if witnessing is for me. I do feel like a sheep going out to packs and packs of wolves. Then i think about Jesus being the ONLY Christian in His time. Not one single person understood His resurrection while He was alive. He was killed for His words, why should I expect not to be ridiculed? I guess i have to do it in small doses. But it re-enforces for me just how holy He was.

Although I understand your point, Jesus Christ was not a Christian.  He was Christ, not a "little Christ."

I think I know what she means.


Title: Re:Have you ever been "persecuted"
Post by: Whitehorse on October 11, 2003, 02:45:39 PM
Tamara, Amen!


Title: Re:Have you ever been "persecuted"
Post by: ollie on October 11, 2003, 04:30:47 PM
Here is all I need to know:

1. Secular Judges are sworn to uphold the law
2. When Secular Judges make this vow, he knows he will have to do things he doesn’t like, but it is part of the job as a Secular Judge.
3. The highest Secular law in the Secular land told him to remove a chunk of rock
4. The Secular Judge fought it every Secular way he knew how, and even though MILLIONS of Christians where praying for God to stop this, he didn’t.
5. The Secular Judge who swore to uphold the Secular law, broke the law.

You seem the believe that Judge Moore could not have possibly did it for fame because he was a nobody until the ACLU attacked him. Did you ever stop think that when the ACLU attacked him, he saw it as a chance to become famous?

Moore went through all the proper Channels, why did God not work though them? He has before, why hasn’t he interfered? You just have to ask your self why in this case. At the current moment, all Judge Moore has done is embarrasses Christians. Why does the ACLU fight though the courts, the legal way, while we have to break laws, and we still don't solve anything? Is that the way an All-powerful God wants it?
Good Post.


The removal of the stone did not violate any of God's will for man. That is the only time a person of God should not render to caesar what is caesar's. When the government asks one to violate God.


A godly person of the truth would have probably very quietly said, "take the piece of stone and do what you will as I am of God and those laws are written on my heart to be seen by all who witness my actions of life."


Title: Re:Have you ever been "persecuted"
Post by: ollie on October 11, 2003, 04:39:24 PM
Persecuted for my faith?  You bet.  And, will that move me from it? No way.  It happens all the time.  This is when we should show our strength.  

Love...Tamara


One of the reasons Christians are to assemble and gather together is to edify and strengthen one another and help one another with their individual shortcomings in the Lord. The assembly is more than just getting together and staring at the back of the head of the people in front of your seat.


Title: Re:Have you ever been "persecuted"
Post by: ollie on October 11, 2003, 04:51:52 PM
A form of persecution I have been through is people that put one to the test as soon as they find out one is Christian. Then when one succombs to a temptation, being just human, they reproach one with, "oh look what he/she is doing and they are supposed to be Christian." Christians must watch their actions very carefully because it could cause someone to be lost. People think being Christian is being perfect in every thing and they will put one to the test and then throw it in your face.
It has also happened on this web site of "Christians Unite".


Title: Re:Have you ever been "persecuted"
Post by: ollie on October 11, 2003, 04:57:08 PM
I know i have been attacked more on this forum than anywhere else. I was in a bible study last years that said if people don't hate you for your belief in Jesus then you haven't stood up for Him enough. So I decided to witness more this past month. Now I don't know if witnessing is for me. I do feel like a sheep going out to packs and packs of wolves. Then i think about Jesus being the ONLY Christian in His time. Not one single person understood His resurrection while He was alive. He was killed for His words, why should I expect not to be ridiculed? I guess i have to do it in small doses. But it re-enforces for me just how holy He was.
Jesus being under the Mosaic law during His time on earth was a jew and observed everything jewish. I don't think He would be considered a Christian per se. Believers in Him are Christian and they were first called that in Antioch.


Title: Re:Have you ever been "persecuted"
Post by: Tamara on October 11, 2003, 10:16:12 PM
A form of persecution I have been through is people that put one to the test as soon as they find out one is Christian. Then when one succombs to a temptation, being just human, they reproach one with, "oh look what he/she is doing and they are supposed to be Christian." Christians must watch their actions very carefully because it could cause someone to be lost. People think being Christian is being perfect in every thing and they will put one to the test and then throw it in your face.
It has also happened on this web site of "Christians Unite".

I am sorry you have been hurt on Christians Unite Ollie.  I haven't had that happen to me here.  I find it a lovely website filled with kind loving folk.
Our main thing in life is to love one another. To pray, help edify and to just love people the way they are.  To give of ourselves in this manner is more than edifying.
I just let the men teach me on the forums.  I learn so much from what they have to say.  This also edifies me.  And, by their posts of knowledge, and common sense, I sense their love for humanity.
Our Father works in mysterious ways.  I don't believe in women throwing around their knowledge! But, I also learn from many women too.  Their input is gracious and kind.  If the input is a little harsh, I prefer to ignore it and just go and study one of the men's posts for a time.

Love...Tamara.




Title: Re:Have you ever been "persecuted"
Post by: Heidi on October 12, 2003, 12:17:09 AM
Tamara,
Were you here when the atheists were here? Did you engage in debate with them? If so, did you feel loved or persecuted by them?


Title: Re:Have you ever been "persecuted"
Post by: Tamara on October 12, 2003, 12:55:32 AM
No Heidi, I wasn't here.  And even if so, I would wonder why they chose to access a Christian Forum if they are athiests.
But I have watched these people carefully through their posts.
Some atheists post letters just to try to upset Christians.  I feel it's better to ignore these kind og people.
Other's may be wondering about us.  And they try to reach out to see why we believe.  
If they start any rubbish as I have read in some posts.  I just turn my back and walk away.  They are not worth answering.
The bottom line is.  We choose to believe in God, and to accept by faith that Jesus is the Son of God.  That He came to this earth and died for us.
In today's world, there is so much evil, we have to walk on through it unscathed by keeping silent.  
Some of these atheists could be on forums for black magic and witchcraft...many of them try to cast their spells of evil on christians.  Don't answer them before you pray hard Heidi.
Just go and read another post and let Father take control of your little fingers as you type. As Jesus said "MY SHEEP KNOW MY VOICE"

Love you Heidi,
Tamara.


Title: Re:Have you ever been "persecuted"
Post by: Left Coast on October 12, 2003, 11:55:25 AM
I never considered the atheists to be persecuting me, I suppose that could be because I also was once an atheist.
I haven’t felt persecuted on this forum or any other. I came to discuss, and I know that the majority will probably disagree.
Like Heidi I feel very alone sometimes.
I have been divorced from the same woman twice. When we first married I was unsaved, she claimed Christ. When I became a Christian, she divorced. We remarried. For a while things were OK but she wouldn’t pray with me. Eventually she divorced again. She didn’t like it when I wanted to keep Halloween out of the house, among other things.
Was it persecution? I don’t know. But I felt alone.


Title: Re:Have you ever been "persecuted"
Post by: LoggedintoJesus on October 12, 2003, 09:53:43 PM
 :)  I like it when Im not, more than when I am. You have to be like a Doctor that never loses his patience ;)