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« on: August 02, 2003, 05:03:25 PM »

Just a quick question. When we are created, does God already know whether we are going to Heaven or Hell? and if He does, why would He create some of us to go to Hell?
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« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2003, 02:49:58 AM »

Just a quick question. When we are created, does God already know whether we are going to Heaven or Hell? and if He does, why would He create some of us to go to Hell?

Oklahoma Howdy to stevelanger,

That's a great question, one that causes great concern for a lot of people. God does not make you choose Heaven or Hell. However, God did know the number of hairs on your head before the world began. God gave you free choice, but he does know what that choice will be. That doesn't mean that you are a robot or are programmed to make that choice.

Almighty God knows all in eternity past and eternity future.
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« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2003, 03:32:00 PM »

  Steve: God did not make man to destroy him. In ecclesiastes the preacher said, "Lo this only have I found, that God has made man upright but they have sought out many inventions." The sin of Adam was a real transgression against God. God, as the governor of His creation, had the right to execute judgment. "The wages of sin is death". First,
there was an immediate spiritual separation between Adam and God. All Adam's descendents being in him, it was therefore a separation of them also from God. By "one man's sin, death passed upon all." Adam was a federal head of all those in him; that is, he was their representative before God
and therefore all in him became equally guilty before God of Adam's transgression and all were cutoff from God fully and to every extent that Adam himself was (see Romans ch. 5). That is the condition which came upon all as a consequence of Adam's sin. Jeremiah speaks of it in Jer. 18:3-6. God made man for His own glory. Should the fact that man had become a sinner deprive Him of His right to get glory to Himself through His creatures? Not at all. Consider Isa. 45:9,
Jer. 18:3-6, and Romans 9:15-22 together, remembering that the vessel God works with is fallen in Adam or, as Jeremiah
terms it, "marred." God would have been just to have consigned us all to the lot of all other vessels "fitted to destruction." Nevertheless God, merciful and gracious, purposed from everlasting that "I will have mercy upon whom I will have mercy." To the praise of the glory of His grace, God chose certain ones in Christ before the foundation of the world, Christ thereby becoming their federal head as Adam was the federal head of all those in him. God chose them in Christ not because of anything in them, but because of His own will to set His love upon them. The Father, Son and Holy Spirit had covenanted together over the matter of the redemption of those to whom He purposed to be merciful.
The Father chose them, the Son agreed to be their federal head, descend to earth as the Second Adam and in their behalf fulfill the law, and put away the wrath of God to which they were justly subject by the sacrifice of Himself in their stead. As Adam sinned and brought certain death to those in him, Christ worked righteousness and brought life to all those in Him. Therefore, the righteousness in which we now stand before God is the same righteousness which Jesus worked out for us. And, Steve, we know that righteousness is fully sufficient for us to stand before God in for judgment because
on the basis of that same righteousness, Christ has been raised up and received at the right hand of the Father. Praise ye the Lord, halleleujah. Those chosen in Christ beforew the foundation of the earth were from everlasting loved by God
who, before the foundation of the earth, wrote their names down in the Lamb's book of life. Those whom the Father chose, and the Son became a federal head to (He is the head of the church), the Holy Spirit agreed to regenerate, bringing them out of spiritual death into life. Remmber Ezekiel's valley of dry bones: "COME FROM THE FOUR WINDS, OH BREATH, AND BREATH UPON THESE SLAIN THAT THEY MAY LIVE." AND
 JESUS SAID, "THE WIND BLOWS WHERE IT WILL. yOU HEAR THE SOUND OF IT, BUT CANNOT TELL WHERE IT COMES FROM OR WHERE IT GOES, SO IS EVERYONE BORN OF THE SPIRIT."
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