"The Passion" (Mel Gibson)

[Symphony]

Reports that Gibson just previewed his new movie to a few dozen selected guests in Washington, on Monday(July 21).

One of the guests was Matt Drudge.

Drudge reported people left crying.  The report suggest Jewish groups quite upset about the movie, and maybe even Catholics not liking it?  But report also said Gibson a devout Catholic.

[Tibby]

Did it say why Jews wouldn't like it? Or Catholics? What makes it different from other Jesus Movies that would get people upset, that has never upset them before with Jesus movies?

[Symphony]

I'm just aware of Drudge's review.  He really liked it.  Drudge is Jewish, but I'm not sure that he is a Christian, 'tho seems very sympathetic to Christians.

I'm susspecting this movie of Jesus dramatizes the extreme violence done to him.  Graphic.  Isaiah says he was beaten beyond description.  Even in the Rocky movies, you could still always tell it was Sylvester Stallone.

I'm guessing that Gibson went through some kind of change when he was being flayed alive, as William Wallace, yelling "Freedom, freedom!", in that earlier epic movie a few years ago, that maybe true freedom only comes through the man Christ Jesus.  And, I believe that story of Wallace is true--as far as it went.

So I'm guessing this depiction of Jesus to be particularly graphic, from Drudge's description.

[Ambassador4Christ]

Mel Gibson is a good actor, the movie sounds good.
Thanks for the info Bro

[Ambassador4Christ]

THE PASSION - Mel Gibson's new film has come in for advance criticism. But
not from Christians who have seen the rough cut, for whom it is "stunning":
http://www.churchofthemasses.blogspot.com/  
http://www.gazette.com/popupNews.php?id=408774  
Hollywood Jesus has photos at:
http://www.hollywoodjesus.com/passion_photo.htm  
and a 240 pixel Quicktime or Realmedia trailer - hear Jesus speaking in
Aramaic:
http://www.hollywoodjesus.com/movie/trailers/passion_240.mov  
http://www.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin/ramhurl?f=hollywoodjesus/Passion.rm  

[Symphony]

Thank you, Amb4...

From the HollywoodJesus site:  

[Saved_4ever]

I don't know what people are going to think but it is a well known fact that this is going to be quite graphic movie.  I'm curious to see it on the simple premise that it was ok'd by RCC priests for it's "accuracy".

Good to see they are driving the nails through his hands and have him tied as well.  This would be correct.  Part of me feels it may be gratuitous violence yet on the other hand people having to see just how badly Jesus paid for our sins, may bring some of us closer and be more thankful.  While possibly drawing others to Christ knowing how much he cared for us.

I think that the extremely vivid begining of saving private ryan was very purposeful and gave many people a much greater appreciation for those that have served in war.

[Tibby]

Yeah, the rope looks a little high, wouldn't you agree, Jason? Plus, it is argued that he was nailed in the wrist, not the palm. By MG, as we have said, is a RC, and most of the RCC statues of Jesus have him nailed in the palm. Oh well, where he was tied and nails doesn’t change anything. We are still going to heaven wither we think he was nailed in the wrist or the palm, right?

[Ambassador4Christ]

Yeah, the rope looks a little high, wouldn't you agree, Jason? Plus, it is argued that he was nailed in the wrist, not the palm. By MG, as we have said, is a RC, and most of the RCC statues of Jesus have him nailed in the palm. Oh well, where he was tied and nails doesn’t change anything. We are still going to heaven wither we think he was nailed in the wrist or the palm, right?

 

[Saved_4ever]

No the ropes don't look high that's where they would have been I think.  Jesus was deffinately nailed in the palm, as he himself tells Thomas to put his finger in the holes of his hand.

Joh 20:25
The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he
said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put
my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will
not believe.
Joh 20:26
¶ And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.
Joh 20:27
Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

I have heard it said that a) hand meant from the wrist to fingers and b) that he was hung with his arms over his head.  Regardless for now I am going with hand since Jesus says it's his hand.  

Don't you believe the Word of God?  OR are you one of the silly fellows that thinks that some things are just fairy tales in the bible?

[Tibby]

I believe…

We are still going to heaven wither we think he was nailed in the wrist or the palm, right?

Wither you believe the literal translation or the intellectual translation, I do not see how it matter. While we are at it, lets argue wither or not Paul watch the sports he talked about, or if he just make references to them for lack of a better metaphors The importance thing is, you have found something you argee with the RCC on! lol

[MsMarcasite]

Part of me feels it may be gratuitous violence yet on the other hand people having to see just how badly Jesus paid for our sins, may bring some of us closer and be more thankful.  While possibly drawing others to Christ knowing how much he cared for us.

I believe that with the graphic nature of the film, Mel is trying to portray just that. To see just what Jesus went through to the best of his knowledge and imagination. So we can see what great of price Jesus paid and just how ugly and expensive sin is.

[Saved_4ever]

Really can't help but cry whenever I think about Christ on the cross, and watching the little preview from the hollywood Jesus site only makes it worse.

Go figure they made Jesus have long hair.  

[Symphony]

Saved, do you think we have any real way of knowing?

To be honest, I've never imagined him any other way.

AND, in Revelation, the impression there is the white hair is long and wavy(tho I'm not sure it actually says that).

[Tibby]

Saved, do you think we have any real way of knowing?

To be honest, I've never imagined him any other way.

AND, in Revelation, the impression there is the white hair is long and wavy(tho I'm not sure it actually says that).

I think he was referring to jesus having his bread plucked out. I guess he saw some pic's of jesus on the cross with all his hair. Just a guess, ofcourse, and he will no doubt say I'm wrong just because. lol