Our Achilles Heel

[Bronzesnake]

 Read this news story about the effects of an EMP attack, it's scary.

 http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=43956

Bronzesnake

[Tibby]

I had just read that earilier. I don't know, though, Iran really doesn't have a reason to attack us. We are one of the main sources of cash flow for them. And if the launch an EMP, with all the electronics our car requires (if you don't beleive me, go unplug you battery) our cars will be useless. Pretty much anything we use to Petro for would be whipped out with an EMP blast. Iran would lose WAY to much money.

Plus, the reason Terriorists are so dangerous is because they don't have a country to attack. Iran has the problem mutually assured distrution. He was Electro-magnetic fields protection our most advanced of military bases, and we have plenty of bases out of the country. If Iran attacks, it would be the last thing they do, and if the lose one of the many countries that uses their main export, I don't they they would have the money to get into a war with us and our allies.

Either this is a hoax, or Iran is just a smaller pawn in a larger game.

[Bronzesnake]

I had just read that earilier. I don't know, though, Iran really doesn't have a reason to attack us. We are one of the main sources of cash flow for them. And if the launch an EMP, with all the electronics our car requires (if you don't beleive me, go unplug you battery) our cars will be useless. Pretty much anything we use to Petro for would be whipped out with an EMP blast. Iran would lose WAY to much money.

Plus, the reason Terriorists are so dangerous is because they don't have a country to attack. Iran has the problem mutually assured distrution. He was Electro-magnetic fields protection our most advanced of military bases, and we have plenty of bases out of the country. If Iran attacks, it would be the last thing they do, and if the lose one of the many countries that uses their main export, I don't they they would have the money to get into a war with us and our allies.

Either this is a hoax, or Iran is just a smaller pawn in a larger game.

You make some good points, however, Iran wouldn't attack alone. I believe there is a sinister plot underway as we speak. Russia is acting very strangely - they are supplying weapons and weapons systems to countries such as China, Syria, Iran, and they were a major supplier to Iraq, pre war. There is good intel which states Russia shuttled WMD's from Iraq into Syria just prior to the war.

Iran can supply terrorists with scuds and technology. How could the U.S. launch nuclear ICBM's into a highly populated country such as Iran, with no direct proof of where such an EMP attack originated? Terrorists have cargo ships which are more than capable of launching these type of scuds, all they need is a remote system in order to detonate them in space, and it's all over but the crying. The U.S. military machine would be virtually ground to a standstill - they are almost entirely dependant on electronics and computerized weaponry, systems and tactics. This type of attack would enable our enemies, known and unknown, to deliver a massive co-ordinated blow to the U.S. military at home and abroad.

 Something to consider...seriously.


Bronzesnake

[Tibby]

With the exception of China, no one really has much reason to attack us. Russia, Iran, Syria, they are still in one peice because of our help (especially Russia). China is second in the world, and with us out of the picture, they would soon become the worlds superpower. Econemy, military, they would become the new hegemon if they weakened us greatly. Which would suck, because they are Godless commies with a history of evil and crualty that rivals that of any malevolent dictatorship!

And with Russia's vast natural resources and China's manpower, they just might be able to pull it off, too. We are an import culture. They just need to cut off all exports from Iran, Russia, and China (and all the smaller countries forced to boycott us under pressure), and then wait. Not to long, they wait to long, we would be able to rebuild our infrastructure. We have enough natural resources to keep us going for years. The problem would be getting to where we are using them! If the hit us right when we are at our losest, right before we start to rebuild, they can take us out easily.

[Soldier4Christ]

I am no expert in the area but I thought the U.S. uses very little if any Iranian oil even though Iran is the 4th largest Opec exporter to the world in general?

Even so there are other things than economics that Iran considers more important. The U.S. stands in their way in many things they want to accomplish (hint:Israel, as though you really needed it).

The U.S. knew of this technology as early as 1985 while I was still in service. I am sure that there are plans in place to accommodate such an event.

[Tibby]

Yes, we have to keep in mind that no matter what information we have, the President has WAY more then we could even imagen. World Net Daily does not have a network of some of the worlds best Intellgeance. Conspericy Theory is just for fun.

[Bronzesnake]

Well, just look at the prophecies my friends. the U.S. is virtually invisible - ask your selves why that is, especially considering the fact that they are the major super power of history at present. Russia, China, the "kings of the east" are all mentioned in Revelation, and clearly described attacking Israel. In other words, they are allies, and they would appear to be in total control. So when I read credible news reports in relation to grave threats against America, I listen closely.

Bronzesnake

[Tibby]

There was been threats against the US back before the US was even a country! Indians, Barbary Pirates, the British, the Spanish. They all came for us, adn they all failed.

Who said the US isn't in Prophecy? Are you saying you have direct revolation from God that allows you to have an infallible understanding of biblical metaphorical Prophecy? Because if not, then the US may still be in Prophecy...

[Bronzesnake]

There was been threats against the US back before the US was even a country! Indians, Barbary Pirates, the British, the Spanish. They all came for us, adn they all failed.

Who said the US isn't in Prophecy? Are you saying you have direct revolation from God that allows you to have an infallible understanding of biblical metaphorical Prophecy? Because if not, then the US may still be in Prophecy...

 If any of the countries attacking Israel mentioned in Revelation attempted to do so today, the U.S. and allies would throttle them. Why don't we see this happening in Revelation account of these attacks?

Bronzesnake

[Soldier4Christ]

The US is not clearly in prophecy. If it is there it is well hidden. As for these threats. The US is not infallible. There is always the prospect that the US could be reduced to a third world country or less,  if not destroyed completely. Many people thought that the US could never be attacked. Pearl Harbor and 9/11 have proven that wrong also. God will allow what will in order for prophecies to be fullfilled.

Even if these things come about we Christians are still in the hands of the Lord.

Bronze, I understand what you are saying. I find these things interesting and am also watching as the Lord has told us to do.

[Bronzesnake]

The US is not clearly in prophecy. If it is there it is well hidden. As for these threats. The US is not infallible. There is always the prospect that the US could be reduced to a third world country or less,  if not destroyed completely. Many people thought that the US could never be attacked. Pearl Harbor and 9/11 have proven that wrong also. God will allow what will in order for prophecies to be fullfilled.

Even if these things come about we Christians are still in the hands of the Lord.

Bronze, I understand what you are saying. I find these things interesting and am also watching as the Lord has told us to do.

   Good point about Pearl Harbour and 911 Roger.

 All we have to do is look at historical super powers to know there are no guarantees. There is a clear list of historical super powers in the Old Testament. Look at how those one time infallible super powers are doing today.

The Bible gives great evidence of how fickle man's infallibility really is!


Bronzesnake

[Tibby]

If any of the countries attacking Israel mentioned in Revelation attempted to do so today, the U.S. and allies would throttle them. Why don't we see this happening in Revelation account of these attacks?

-Some theorize Geographical locals literally mean spirits, deamons, princapalities.

-The bible talks of a HUGE battle after the attacks. China has the largest army, and a land war with China would be a HUGE battle. The Eastern Alliance of China, Russia, and their boys could attack before we knew what was going on, and then we come, and Armageddon happens.

-Who is say Israel isn't a metafore for America? What if Manifest Destiny isn’t just propaganda? What if we really ARE a people ordained by God?

There's any number of different ways America could fit into the end times Prophecy. Just because the US isn't there in name doesn't mean it isn't there in spirit.

[Soldier4Christ]

Just because the US isn't there in name doesn't mean it isn't there in spirit.

This is what I meant by "hidden" in scriptures. If the US is even in there at all then it is in a manner that we do not presently understand. After all we are told that not all things would be made known until that time came.

[2nd Timothy]

I agree with Bronze on this one.   Regarding the world powers spoken of in endtime scripture, and as the current world landscape stands, America seems to be problematic to events that are yet to take place.  

In order for a revived Rome to takes its place at the top of the hill, (which is very detailed in scripture I might add) America must either be assimilated into that role somehow, or removed/reduced as a world power.   Also somewhat troubling is, this event does not seem to be outlined in Revelation which makes me believe it will probably happen before that time period begins.   I'm hoping its due to the Rapture over the other possibilties.

But as PR says, only God knows for sure.

Please Lord, let it be the Rapture!  

Grace and Peace!

[Bronzesnake]

If any of the countries attacking Israel mentioned in Revelation attempted to do so today, the U.S. and allies would throttle them. Why don't we see this happening in Revelation account of these attacks?

-Some theorize Geographical locals literally mean spirits, deamons, princapalities.

-The bible talks of a HUGE battle after the attacks. China has the largest army, and a land war with China would be a HUGE battle. The Eastern Alliance of China, Russia, and their boys could attack before we knew what was going on, and then we come, and Armageddon happens.

-Who is say Israel isn't a metafore for America? What if Manifest Destiny isn’t just propaganda? What if we really ARE a people ordained by God?

There's any number of different ways America could fit into the end times Prophecy. Just because the US isn't there in name doesn't mean it isn't there in spirit.

 That's why we should never "theorize" about literal scriptures. We could end up with any scenario that suits us.

  We must take the Bible at face value my friend. The Bible clearly describes Russia, Egypt and the "kings of the east" China is clearly included with the biblical description of the eastern army, which numbers over 200 million. China is the only nation in history to have those numbers. If America was involved God surely would have told us.

Bronzesnake