The Church

[2nd Timothy]

A few points to consider...

2Ti 2:24  The Lord's bond-servant must not be quarrelsome, but be kind to all, able to teach, patient when wronged,
2Ti 2:25  with gentleness correcting those who are in opposition, if perhaps God may grant them repentance leading to the knowledge of the truth,


Rom 12:18  If possible, so far as it depends on you, be at peace with all men.


1Ti 3:2  An overseer, then, must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, temperate, prudent, respectable, hospitable, able to teach,


Eph 4:2  with all humility and gentleness, with patience, showing tolerance for one another in love,
Eph 4:3  being diligent to preserve the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.


Col 3:12  So, as those who have been chosen of God, holy and beloved, put on a heart of compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience;
Col 3:13  bearing with one another, and forgiving each other, whoever has a complaint against anyone; just as the Lord forgave you, so also should you.
Col 3:14  Beyond all these things put on love, which is the perfect bond of unity.


Just some food for thought.   And go easy on the extra hot sauce.    


Grace and Peace!

[Bronzesnake]

 Nice work Tim.

 As I said before. I'm not angry in the least.
If I were to debate face to face with any other poster, my intent and emotion would be seen as compassionate, and not intemperate. It is very difficult to relay a point with vigour on a forum.

[Audax]

Right on Tim  

James 3:18   "And the seed whose fruit is righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace."

That's what it's all about.  Ben

[2nd Timothy]

Not wanting to steal credit for great wisdom, but I humbly submit it is Gods word thats right on.       What a wonderful God we serve!    

BTW, those verses are not posted as rebutal to anyones posts, just think of it as a reminder from Gods word, and a concerned brother in earshot of the discussion.   I consider it a reminder to myself as well in other threads I have participated in recently.  



Grace and Peace!

[Layman Bairn]

At the time of the reformation, The Catholic Church had evolved for 1500 years. By Luther’s day it had become so mutated as to bear no resemblance at all to the church begun at Pentecost. There is no reason to believe that in the 500 years since the reformation, the human propensities for organizing, traditionalizing institutionalizing and adulterating have somehow been eradicated. The periodic correction, called a revival, comes and brings wonderful new life to the people of God, and is then quickly analyzed and systematized into yet another denomination. Virtually all denominations have seen, at their inception, a “re-forming” work of the Holy Spirit. Mark my words…we are due for a major shift.

As I have been unwittingly drawn away in the flesh, to this futile debate, I have once again seen the amazing tenacity of theological preference and tradition and their power to supplant the living breathing Jesus in our Spirit, to whom we are told to “look away”.  

Bronze and Beps:

Theologians who’s acumen dwarfs ours to ludicrous extremes, have written volumes, some supporting yours, some mine and some other’s interpretations of 1Corinthians 12, 13 and 14. I applaud your energy and dedication to contend for the Word as you read it. My applause stops there, for I have embraced a reading of the same words with all my heart and with the support of honored theologians with whom you would apparently disagree. And so it will probably be among the children of God until we’re called for dinner.

Pastor Roger:

You have a great attitude and a wisdom that I appreciate. Your sharing of scripture and council always comes across with a Godliness that says you truly are a pastor (the biblical kind). I hope it doesn’t offend you for me to say, I find it an oddity that we use “pastor” as a title. It is a function of the body….or perhaps we should all preface our names with our functions.. I am layman Bairn,. kinda catchy

I am moving to and staying in the “testimonies” section of the forum.
Felix, peh and all, I hope to “see” you there.


John 17:3
And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. (KJV)

Agape, Bairn

[Soldier4Christ]

Layman Bairn,

Pastor Roger:

You have a great attitude and a wisdom that I appreciate. Your sharing of scripture and council always comes across with a Godliness that says you truly are a pastor (the biblical kind). I hope it doesn’t offend you for me to say, I find it an oddity that we use “pastor” as a title. It is a function of the body….or perhaps we should all preface our names with our functions.. I am layman Bairn,. kinda catchy

Thank you but if that is true it is God's doing and not mine.

I take no offense. I have been called many things besides Pastor.   As I have said before, I am but a man saved by grace. The important thing is the word of God.

Praise God for His wonderful mercies!

Looking forward to your testimonies.

[Bronzesnake]

 You know what?
We will all end up going to the Church/meeting (whatever you want to call it) that makes us feel most at home.

 I looked back at some of my comments, and I can see how some people might get their backs up against the wall. I will, however, continue to be straight to the point and blunt. I don't go in for candy coating much, but at the same time, I am not intentionally trying to anger anyone.

 I still contend that peh has an obvious disdain for the "traditional" Church system which multitudes take great joy and comfort in. I guess that's why I find it difficult to understand why a Christian would take such a negative stand like she did. Perhaps she had a horrible experience - who knows?

 I believe I was justified in defending myself against the slanderous comment that felix directed at me, and all because he disagrees with me. I will always respond when any poster gets so arrogant as to say that God hates me.

 I will reiterate - I am not angry. If this debate was a face-to-face event, I have no doubt that we would all walk away as friends. This is a forum - forums, by their nature, are places for people to debate. There would be no debate if we all agreed with each other...right?

 There is a line in the sand, and sometimes people cross it. I have, and when I feel like I've gone to far, I have apologized.
 Others have on occasion crossed the line towards me. When that happens I respond, although I try my best to only respond when it is warranted.

 Some folks have the mistaken idea that moderators shouldn't have their own opinions. Or that moderators should agree with everyone, or at least be neutral. That's not a fair position to put us in. We were posters here long before we were moderators.

 A moderators job is to enforce the ADMIN's rules - people are constantly attacking Christian sites, we find them, and get rid of them as best as we can. Some people post satanic principles, here again, we find them and they're gone. Some people post porn - they're gone. That's our job here. At the same time, we are posters just like everybody else. We are human just like everybody else. We make mistakes just like everybody else - at times, we even get upset, just like everybody else. Give us a break people!

Bairn. I know you think I directed certain comments toward you (childish). I didn’t, right or wrong, those remarks were directed at peh and felix, and in comparison to the comments directed at me, I was being nice.

 I would suggest that you continue to post wherever you want to, and don’t let a debate – even a somewhat heated one, force you to feel as though you must “hide” your opinions.
 I don’t know how long you’ve been participating on forums, but this is par for the course. Give yourself time to get accustomed to the different people here, including myself. Once you see what I’m really all about, you may even grow to tolerate me!  

[Soldier4Christ]

We are human just like everybody else.

Really? I thought these were photos of the mods?

Bronzesnake



Blackeyedpeas



Dreamweaver





 


Guess who this is now ....

[Shammu]

We are human just like everybody else.

Really? I thought these were photos of the mods?

Bronzesnake



Blackeyedpeas



Dreamweaver





 

Where did you find my picture?  

I though this was BRNZ....


This must be 2T.


Ha ha, I have your pic, here.

[Bronzesnake]

Stop! You're killing me!

 I haven't had this much fun since I went to the amusement park...

Weeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!
 

 The last time someone even came close to having this much fun, it turned out bad...

My fish is bigger than your fish - Nahh, nahh, nah, nah, nahh - ahh, ahhhhhh!

 

 

Ahhh, being rich is great! Just look at me. Long tall drink, huge sailboat, it's a beauty day. Yup, it's good to be king, what could possibly go wrong!

[nChrist]

We are human just like everybody else.

Really? I thought these were photos of the mods?

Bronzesnake



Blackeyedpeas



Dreamweaver





 


Guess who this is now ....

Pastor Roger,

     That's me, but they made me take my beanie-propeller cap and coke-bottle glasses off for my passport photo. Regardless - Handsome!! is insufficient.

[nChrist]

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[nChrist]

Here's the final irony in the continued assault against Bronzesnake in this thread, and that's why it is closed. It's from numerous sources, but do your own study. The Greek doesn't show properly and will appear as (??).
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Revelation 2:6  But235 this5124 thou hast,2192 that3754 thou hatest3404 the3588 deeds2041 of the3588 Nicolaitanes,3531 which3739 I also2504 hate.3404

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Nikolaï´te¯s, gen. Nikolaï´tou, masc. proper noun. An adherent of Nikolaos, or a Nicolaitan. An ancient sect whose deeds were expressly and strongly reprobate (Rev_2:6, Rev_2:15). Some have supposed that they were the followers of Nicolas (Act_6:5), one of the first deacons of the church, whom they regard as having apostatized from the true faith. For this view, however, there is no authority. Others regard the term "Nicolaitans" as a symbolic expression. Since Nicolaos means victor of the people and Balaam means devourer of the people, the two in symbolic unity signify religious seducers of the people. It is more probable that the Nicolaitans were identical with those who held the doctrine of Balaam, mentioned in Rev_2:14 (cf. 2Pe_2:15), so that likely the Nicolaitans practiced fornication and the eating of things sacrificed to idols while outwardly professing Christianity.

Revelation 2:6  But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitanes, which I also hate.
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They hate the deeds of the Nicolaitanes. Opinions are not agreed concerning this sect, but it is probable that the followers of a Nicolaus are meant who taught that Christian liberty meant license to commit sensual sins.
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Rev 2:6 - But thou hast this - Divine grace seeks whatever may help him that is fallen to recover his standing. That thou hatest the works of the Nicolaitans - Probably so called from Nicolas, one of the seven deacons, Act_6:5. Their doctrines and lives were equally corrupt. They allowed the most abominable lewdness and adulteries, as well as sacrificing to idols; all which they placed among things indifferent, and pleaded for as branches of Christian liberty.
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Rev 2:6 - But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans,.... Though these Christians had left their first love, yet they bore an hatred to the filthy and impure practices of some men, who were called "Nicolaitans"; who committed fornication, adultery, and all uncleanness, and had their wives in common, and also ate things offered to idols; who were so called, as some think (c), from Nicolas of Antioch, one of the seven deacons in Act_6:5; though as to Nicolas himself, it is said (d), that he lived with his own lawful married wife, and no other, and that his daughters continued virgins all their days, and his son incorrupt; and that these men, so called, only shrouded themselves under his name, and abused a saying or action of his, or both, to patronize their wicked deeds: he had used to advise pa?a???s?a? t? sa???, by which he meant a restraining of all carnal and unlawful lusts; but these men interpreted it of an indulgence in them, and so gave themselves up to all uncleanness; and whereas, he having a beautiful wife, and being charged with jealousy, in order to clear himself of it, he brought her forth, and gave free liberty to any person to marry her as would; which indiscreet action of his these men chose to understand as allowing of community of wives. Dr. Lightfoot conjectures, that these Nicolaitans were not called so from any man, but from the word ?????, "Nicolah", "let us eat", which they often used to encourage each other to eat things offered to idols. However this be, it is certain that there were such a set of men, whose deeds were hateful; but neither their principles nor their practices obtained much in this period of time, though they afterwards did; see Rev_2:15. Professors of the Christian religion in general abhorred such impure notions and deeds, as they were by Christ:

which also I hate; all sin is hateful to Christ, being contrary to his nature, to his will, and to his Gospel; and whatever is hateful to him should be to his people; and where grace is, sin will be hateful, both in themselves and others; and men's deeds may be hated when their persons are not; and hatred of sin is taken notice of by Christ, with a commendation,

(c) Vid. Irenaeum adv. Haeres, l. 1. c. 27. & Tertull. de Praescript. Haeret. c. 46, 47. (d) Clement. Alex. Strom. l. 3. p. 436. & Euseb, Hist. Eccl. l. 2. c. 29.
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