quote"I would never disagree with that!
I'm saying to you that ALL JEWS will be saved by Jesus. Not just some."
it just seems to me that you want to be right and not see where I am coming from even though I keep telling you I'm not talking about in the future, I am speaking of today and at this moment.
What is the doctrine that a true jewish person lives by right now 2/16/05
Lisa, my friend - my sister...let's not allow this "debate" to get away from us my sister. I'm not trying to be right - it's not my scriptures that I'm quoting from - these verses come straight from God my sister.
Please allow me to go back a wee bit, and ask you to address these verses. First are two verses straight from the Old Testament.
Gen 17:7 And
I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant,
to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee. Lisa my sister in Jesus...what do you believe God is telling the Jews in this verse? Why does He specifically say
"thee and thy seed after thee in their generations" and then He says
"for an everlasting covenant"Do you believe this promise has somehow been canceled?
Gen 17:8 And
I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan,
for an everlasting possession;
and I will be their God. Remeber Lisa, God is telling the Jews this a couple of thousand years before Jesus came and died on the cross - and He is telling them that, not only will the Jews who are alive at the time He was making that promise, but all the generations of Jews to come after them. Why would God make such a promise if He wouldn't keep it?
Do you agree that God made that promise to those Jews and all the future generations of Jews to come? Because that's exactly what He said...
"thee and thy seed after thee in their generations"Bronzesnake
Bronzesnake,
Paul answers your argument very plainly.
Galatians 3
16Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
If any man be in Christ he is a new creature. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile. If a Jew is not in the seed (Christ) he is simply not saved and will face the lake of fire if he rejects Christ in this life.
Romans 9
6Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
Please let's rightly interpret scripture with scripture.
I myself am the seed of Abraham by faith in Jesus Christ, am a part of Israel because I am a child of the promise by faith in Jesus.
Gal 3
29And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
asaph
