I'm not allowed to debate

[sixpack434]

Such is Christianity that it doesn't allow people to ask questions on Jesus and the trinity. I was warned by the moderator not to post such topics as it's blasphomy.

I hear this alot from fellow christians that you can't ask questions, just BELEIVE even if it's ilogical.

Please visit Islamic forums out there, people are free to post anything they want as long as it's not porn or offensive etc. In Islam questions are encouraged and to every question there is an answer.

I've seen many posts against Islam but the moderator will not allow Muslims to defend there faith and answer back.

You will never learn the truth with this closed mind.
I have an open mind, i have the bible, I've been to church before with my christian friend after he invited me. However when i invited him to the mosque afterwards he declined saying he won't enter a place where we're not worshipping jesus. This kind of closed mind will get people no where.

I'm sure this post will be deleted because it seems that in this forum people only want to see what makes them happy. and if a person from another faith is challenging some issues then it's a no no.

Whom so ever Allah guides no one can misguide
and whom so ever Allah misguides no one can guide

[nChrist]

Sixpack434,

You and I both know that what you said is not the truth, not even close. So, here is an exact copy of what you were sent for all to see:

Sixpack434,

Threads:

Your other thread blaspheming Jesus was merged with the first one doing the same. One thread will be ALL that is allowed on this topic. I hope this is blunt and clear.

If not, I will simply move, modify, or delete your posts. If you are interested in a discussion on this topic, you have it. If you wish to preach Islam, all such posts will be deleted immediately, and you will be given only 1 warning.

Moderator

cc:  ADMIN
cc:  Dreamweaver

It's really plain, blunt, simple, and impossible for you to misunderstand what you just posted. In other words, you are not telling the truth. There is also a forum system copy of the quote I just posted.

Moderator

[Soldier4Christ]

Sixpack434,

You said, "You will never learn the truth with this closed mind."

It is not a closed mind but a mind and heart that already knows the truth.

Joh 14:6  Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Joh 14:7  If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.


You indicated that you were searching for the truth when you said that you had an open mind. It requires more than just opening your mind you must first believe on Him and open your heart to Jesus.

Joh 8:31  Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
Joh 8:32  ]b]And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.[/b]


Rev 3:20  Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.


Jesus is knocking at the door to your heart. Are you ready to open that door and let Him in?

[musicllover]

Such is Christianity that it doesn't allow people to ask questions on Jesus and the trinity. I was warned by the moderator not to post such topics as it's blasphomy.

I hear this alot from fellow christians that you can't ask questions, just BELEIVE even if it's ilogical.

Please visit Islamic forums out there, people are free to post anything they want as long as it's not porn or offensive etc. In Islam questions are encouraged and to every question there is an answer.

I've seen many posts against Islam but the moderator will not allow Muslims to defend there faith and answer back.

You will never learn the truth with this closed mind.
I have an open mind, i have the bible, I've been to church before with my christian friend after he invited me. However when i invited him to the mosque afterwards he declined saying he won't enter a place where we're not worshipping jesus. This kind of closed mind will get people no where.

I'm sure this post will be deleted because it seems that in this forum people only want to see what makes them happy. and if a person from another faith is challenging some issues then it's a no no.

Whom so ever Allah guides no one can misguide
and whom so ever Allah misguides no one can guide

Sixpack,
       Would you knowingly drink poision? You are asking Christians too when you come to a christian board and want to preach a false god.
I have done a small amount of study on the islamic faith, I was not impressed, its a pyramid kind of faith that I find detestable. I was not moved to convert or anything of that sort. Had I found even a ounce of truth I might have went to the islamic boards.
IF you truly wanted to learn about the Christian faith then ask the questions but leave alah out of it because he truly has nothing to do with Jesus Christ.  Further you can surely understand that you cannot come here and expect CHristians to agree with any islamic teachings a truly Christain site wouldn't do that. You can surely understand because you have come to a Christian board, we welcome descussion of the Christian faith.  I for one will not entertain even for a second anything that denounces Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior of this world. There are other boards all over the net that allow the diff faiths to post, I find them full of hate, and back biters, shaking fingers and not at all christian. I am thankful that we have modorators who protect the sanctity of Christianity on this board.
        I am sure the modorators and members of this board would find great joy if you denounced alah, excepted Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, and then you can ask all the question you need to ask concering Jesus the only son of God and redeemer of this world?  
        Jesus is Lord,

 If you continue to believe "whom so ever Allah guides" you are doomed to ever lasting fires of hell. Jesus in the only way to Heaven.

musicllover

[cris]

Such is Christianity that it doesn't allow people to ask questions on Jesus and the trinity. I was warned by the moderator not to post such topics as it's blasphomy.

I hear this alot from fellow christians that you can't ask questions, just BELEIVE even if it's ilogical.

Please visit Islamic forums out there, people are free to post anything they want as long as it's not porn or offensive etc. In Islam questions are encouraged and to every question there is an answer.

I've seen many posts against Islam but the moderator will not allow Muslims to defend there faith and answer back.

You will never learn the truth with this closed mind.
I have an open mind, i have the bible, I've been to church before with my christian friend after he invited me. However when i invited him to the mosque afterwards he declined saying he won't enter a place where we're not worshipping jesus. This kind of closed mind will get people no where.

I'm sure this post will be deleted because it seems that in this forum people only want to see what makes them happy. and if a person from another faith is challenging some issues then it's a no no.

Whom so ever Allah guides no one can misguide
and whom so ever Allah misguides no one can guide

Sixpack,
       Would you knowingly drink poision? You are asking Christians too when you come to a christian board and want to preach a false god.
I have done a small amount of study on the islamic faith, I was not impressed, its a pyramid kind of faith that I find detestable. I was not moved to convert or anything of that sort. Had I found even a ounce of truth I might have went to the islamic boards.
IF you truly wanted to learn about the Christian faith then ask the questions but leave alah out of it because he truly has nothing to do with Jesus Christ.  Further you can surely understand that you cannot come here and expect CHristians to agree with any islamic teachings a truly Christain site wouldn't do that. You can surely understand because you have come to a Christian board, we welcome descussion of the Christian faith.  I for one will not entertain even for a second anything that denounces Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior of this world. There are other boards all over the net that allow the diff faiths to post, I find them full of hate, and back biters, shaking fingers and not at all christian. I am thankful that we have modorators who protect the sanctity of Christianity on this board.
        I am sure the modorators and members of this board would find great joy if you denounced alah, excepted Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, and then you can ask all the question you need to ask concering Jesus the only son of God and redeemer of this world?  
        Jesus is Lord,

 If you continue to believe "whom so ever Allah guides" you are doomed to ever lasting fires of hell. Jesus in the only way to Heaven.

musicllover

A M E N ! !

[M]

I am absolutley appalled at the number of young people in the world who are going "shopping for a religion".  Islam now seems to be the most appealing to youngsters who want to shock their parents.   In the sixties, youth were joining up with the cults:  Moonies, drugs and many others.  They tried Hinduism because the Beatles made it "cool".  Some tried Buddhism.  It was like a fashion that people thought they could try on and discard when they have lost interest.

People who do decide to try the religion of Islam out are warned:  you are putting yourself in grave danger.  Not just for your soul but for your life.  Once you are considered converted, which can be as simple as reciting a particular verse (which I have decided not to post) three times, you will be considered under their laws.  If you try to convert to another religion after that, they will feel justified in killing you.  Some of these people will try to "trick" people into converting just so they can give out their form of justice.  Have you ever meet a Christian who tried to trick you into being saved so he could punish you?  Christians are only trying to save people from hell.  They have no bad intentions.

No matter how inviting and how good they try to make their religions look, they are wrong.  Non-Christian religions are full of empty rituals and chanting of prayers.  Is that what you are looking for?  Emptiness?

There are rules on this forum to prevent people from being mislead.  That is why some topics are not allowed to be debated.  This forum is for people who are Christians and who are interesting in becoming Christians.  Asking questions is allowed, but it just may be in your wording, how you ask the question.  If you don't like the forum rules, go elsewhere.

[nChrist]

AMEN M!!!

Many Christian parents around the world are being grieved deeply that their children are being snared by the devil and brain-washed into these Antichrist religions.

All Christian parents and grandparents should have serious concerns that their children are grounded firmly in God's Word and JESUS. If our children and grandchildren aren't saved, this should be a heavy burden on the heart and result in much prayer that GOD helps us to reach them for Christ.

Maybe we shouldn't be so sure about our own children. Maybe our efforts to bring up a child in the things of the LORD should never end, even with our grown children. We should all be acutely aware that the devil is after them, seeking to devour them. It gives me great joy to talk with my children and grandchildren about JESUS, even the ones who are barely able to talk and understand. Should we take it for granted that our children are Saved? I don't think so. Even if we know beyond any doubt that they are saved, we should still have a burden to strengthen them in JESUS.

Love In Christ,
Tom

2 Timothy 4:2-4  Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

[thommy]

Hi All,

There are several brutal posts in this particular thread.  Firstly, to "M", I couldn't help but notice your scathing critique of Islam showed a remarkable lack of understnading or even basic knowlege of the faith.  I'm in no way suggesting that anyone should feel compelled to join that particular faith, I just think that if you are going to accuse a major world religion of terrible mis-givings, you should at least equip yourself with a rudamentary understanding of the religion first.  Citing actions perpetrated by the worst that fundamental Islam has to offer, is sort of like citing the actions of ubber-fundamentalist christians.  

Secondly, I'm not sure if this Mr. 5020 dude is around anymore, but its posts like his within this thread that really make me doubt the faith of the author.  That kind of blatant disrespect should not be tolerated here.  I'm not holding my breath for a formal reprimand however.

thanks,
Thom

[nChrist]

Thommy,

There is nothing of interest to know about Islam, except it is an Antichrist religion. There is certainly no pulpit here for the defense or promotion of Islam. The same would be true of the missing pulpit for satan worshipers. You shouldn't be shocked at all that Christians do not and will not accept Islam as faith in anything.

It really doesn't matter whether Mr. 5020 is still here or not. There are plenty of Christians here, and this is a Christian forum. Read the following post. It's a portion of another excellent publication of Christians Unite, "Christian Web Life". Thanks for reminding me to post it.

Love In Christ,
Tom

I Corinthians 2:5  That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

[nChrist]

From Christian Web Life - Another excellent publication of Christians Unite.

1.) Taking Away Their Greatest Weapon

    By Beth Goodtree

    The civilized world has defined religion as something untouchable and sacrosanct.  For civilized peoples, this is all well and good.  But there are demons that move among us who have perverted the intent of religion as well as the laws protecting it.  By doing this, they have waged war, encouraged slavery, and committed and incited murder and genocide with near impunity.  It is time for a legal defining of 'religion.'

    Merriam-Webster's online dictionary defines religion as:

    1.) The service and worship of God or the observance.
    2.) A personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices.
    3.) A cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith.

    These definitions are not qualified or modified in any way.  Why?  Because civilized people would find it inconceivable to include murder and genocide, as well as global conquest, slavery and subjugation as part of something Godly.

    And yet this is what we are now facing.  All in the name of 'religion.'

    But then, the civilized world views the whole concept of God as a supernatural force devoted to 'good.'  And here we must also define what we think of as 'good.'

    To us, 'good' represents anything that encourages freedom, justice, morality, expansion of the mind, and creativity.  'Good' mean life encouraging.  'Good' means the opposite of chaos and restriction.  'Good' means the opposite of despotism and tyranny.  'Good' means acceptance of differing thoughts and opinions so long as they do not infringe upon the rights of others.

    Under these definitions, a blanket protection of religion is right and just.

    Unfortunately, these definitions of 'goodness' as being necessary to a religion have never been set down or codified -- they have been merely understood.  And we are now paying for that.

    The non-Islamist (non-radical Islam) world is being forced, by our own laws, to revere and respect all versions of Islam as being equal.  They are not.  Several forms of Islam (Sufi and Ismaili are two), who believe in our definition of 'good,' are rapidly disappearing through murder and conquest.

    But many other forms of Islam actually believe that murder, genocide, war for the sake of religious conquest and expansion, as well as slavery or indenture (they call it debt-servitude to get around the rightfully inflammatory word 'slavery'), sexual mutilations and enforced ignorance are all 'good.'  And they have forced us to accept their definitions of 'good' under the legal protections afforded to all religions.

    Essentially, Islamism has taken that which we would consider the work of the ultimate evil and wrapped 'religion' around it to circumvent the very laws we have in place to protect us from such demonic and monstrous aspirations.

    When you have American mosques, American Islamist publications, and Imams and groups in America calling for 'death to the Zionists, Jews and Crusaders,' this should not be protected under freedom of religion.  It is unholy and ungodly by civilized definitions and actually is in conflict with the 'Hate Speech as War Crimes section of the Genocide Laws.  Yet it is still, unfortunately, considered 'protected speech,' and thus manages to supercede our other laws banning and punishing such behaviors.

    This must change.

    When you have constant genocidal speeches urging the murder of Jews and Christians issuing from mosques and on television, as in Israel or in Great Britain, this should not be tolerated.  This is not religion.  This is conquest politics at it most fiendish.

    And yet Israel continues to ignore this and make concessions to a people bent upon their destruction for 'holy' reasons.

    Great Britain, meanwhile, seems to blithely allow such hatred and lies which are aimed at instilling genocidal intent.  It has reached the shameful point where even their own prince apparently thought that wearing the symbol of a former regime who accomplished just what radical Islam preaches is acceptable.

    This must change.

    If we are to survive as free, safe, and happy people, the civilized world as a whole must alter their laws to exclude such practices from the protection of being considered legitimate religions.

    And the first step to freeing ourselves from the unholy pseudo-religion of Islamism (radical Islam) is to immediately incorporate into our laws what is acceptable as a true religion and what is not.  This will liberate us from the losing proposition of tolerating and/or negotiating with murderers, inciters, enslavers and tyrannical regimes, who cowardly hide behind the shield WE provided them with: 'Anything done in the name of religion is untouchable.'

    When you have countries such as Saudi Arabia, funding terrorism in Israel in the name of Islam and continuing the enslavement of entire peoples as being part of their Islamist version of conversion through conquest as well as 'the Islamic Law of debt servitude," this must not be tolerated.   And yet we do.  And not merely for the sake of oil.

    We must further define our laws to specify that hatred, incitement, tyranny and the goal of conquest and conversion (as opposed to mild verbal and/or intellectual persuasion), as well as slavery and the lack of freedom of choice and thought, should be mandatory in the definition of what is not a religion.

    We, the civilized world, must immediately take measures to modify our laws and thus prevent those who yearn for our destruction to use our own freedoms against us.

---------
Beth Goodtree is a writer specializing in political commentary, Islamism and the Middle East and also writes the occasional science and humor articles. She has a background in advertising and works as a consultant on Islamism and terrorism to a security firm.

Beth Goodtree website
http://hometown.aol.com/bgoodtree/

[Evangelist]

Hi All,

There are several brutal posts in this particular thread.  Firstly, to "M", I couldn't help but notice your scathing critique of Islam showed a remarkable lack of understnading or even basic knowlege of the faith.  I'm in no way suggesting that anyone should feel compelled to join that particular faith, I just think that if you are going to accuse a major world religion of terrible mis-givings, you should at least equip yourself with a rudamentary understanding of the religion first.  Citing actions perpetrated by the worst that fundamental Islam has to offer, is sort of like citing the actions of ubber-fundamentalist christians.  

Secondly, I'm not sure if this Mr. 5020 dude is around anymore, but its posts like his within this thread that really make me doubt the faith of the author.  That kind of blatant disrespect should not be tolerated here.  I'm not holding my breath for a formal reprimand however.

thanks,
Thom

Sura 4.89
Then when the Sacred Months have passed, then kill the Mushrikûn (Jews - see V.82) wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and prepare for them each and every ambush. But if they repent and perform As-Salât (Keep up prayer - Iqâmat-as-Salât), and give Zakât ( - pay the poor-rate), then leave their way free. Verily, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

 4.56: (As for) those who disbelieve in Our communications, We shall make them enter fire; so oft as their skins are thoroughly  burned, We will change them for other skins, that they may taste the chastisement; surely Allah is Mighty, Wise.

 5.51: O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst  you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

 9.123: O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah  is with those who guard (against evil).

4.89 : They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among  them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and  take not from among them a friend or a helper.



5.82: Certainly you will find the most violent of people in enmity for those who believe (to be) the Jews and those who are  polytheists, and you will certainly find the nearest in friendship to those who believe (to be) those who say: We are Christians; this is  because there are priests and monks among them and because they do not behave proudly. (Islam considers Christianity to be polytheistic because of the Trinity doctrine).


9:5: Fight and slay the  Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them,  and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war).

 9.29: Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited,  nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and  they are in a state of subjection.

8.12: When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts  of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.

 47.4: So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them)  prisoners, and afterwards either set them free as a favor or let them ransom (themselves) until the war terminates. That (shall be so); and  if Allah had pleased He would certainly have exacted what is due from them, but that He may try some of you by means of others; and  (as for) those who are slain in the way of Allah, He will by no means allow their deeds to perish.

Against unbelievers (those who do not follow Quran)
22.19: These are two adversaries who dispute about their Lord; then (as to) those who disbelieve, for them are cut out garments of  fire, boiling water shall be poured over their heads.
 
 22.21: And for them are whips of iron.

Punishment for apostates (those who leave Islam)

16.106 : He who disbelieves in Allah after his having believed, not he who is compelled while his heart is at rest on account of faith,  but he who opens (his) breast to disbelief -- on these is the wrath of Allah, and they shall have a grievous chastisement.
  

The following excerpt is from a sermon at Musaitaba Mosque in Lebanon by   Sheikh Muhammad Kan'an, head of the Sunni religious courts in Lebanon:

 "Make ready for them whatever you can of strength..." And if the term "strength" means the possession of nuclear weapons, then it's our duty to possess it. Your rulers are sinners, sinners, sinners, because they don't possess a deterrent nuclear power. They could have it if they want. This is the proper conduct of the ruler - the conduct we want. If the ruler locks himself in a room and drinks alcohol – he goes to Hell, but he must not rebel against Allah in public. He must protect the honor of the nation, the rights of the nation. He must protect the nation. He must not lead us to such degradation, to the point that our faith is targeted by the most despicable of Allah's creations, the Jews, and by the garbage of all nations – the Americans.

Iran's Ayatollah  Kohmeini (dec'd) says: "Islam makes it incumbent  on all adult males, provided they are not disabled or incapacitated,  to prepare themselves for the conquest of [other] countries so  that the writ of Islam is obeyed in every country in the world...But  those who study Islamic Holy War will understand why Islam wants  to conquer the whole world...Those who know nothing of Islam  pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those [who say this]  are witless. Islam says: Kill all the unbelievers just as they  would kill you all!"
 
It appears your knowledge, Thommy, is less than basic, and shows an abysmal lack of understanding.  Tsk, tsk, tsk.

[nChrist]

Complaint From Thommy:

Subject: Reported post: Re:I'm not allowed to debate by Evangelist

 
Comment by reporting user: This individual is quoting scripture from the quran, and not the bible.  This is a clear violation of the rules.
The following post has been reported by a user: thommy (thommy)
Subject: Re:I'm not allowed to debate
by: Evangelist
Reply # in thread: 11
  http://forums.christiansunite.com/index.php?board=22;action=display;threadid=6507;start=11#msg93837

Thommy,

I would have answered your ridiculous complaint by private mail, but you have me on your ignore list.  

First, you will not remain a member here by putting ADMIN or the moderators on your ignore list.

Second, Evangelist was not preaching, promoting, or defending Islam - Just the opposite! I can only assume that you don't like the truth of the Antichrist Islam religion being revealed. Well, that would be too bad.

Anyway, thanks for a good laugh.  

Moderator

P.S. Take ADMIN and the moderators off of your ignore list before you make another post on Christians Unite. We are volunteers, and we don't do babysitting.

[nChrist]

CLARIFICATION:

There is no pulpit here for the preaching, defense, or promotion of Islam.

This is a Christian Forum, not an Islamic forum. It will never be an Islamic forum.

This issue is COMPLETELY ONE-SIDED HERE! Islam is Antichrist, and Christ is the core of Christians Unite. If you wish to preach, promote, or defend Islam, IT WON'T BE DONE HERE!

This thread is locked. Any new threads will also be one-sided completely.

If you wish to discuss whether JESUS is God or not, that area has already been set up for discussion. "IS JESUS GOD?". BUT, LET ME REPEAT THERE WILL NEVER BE AN AREA ON CHRISTIANS UNITE FOR THE PREACHING, DEFENSE, OR PROMOTION OF ISLAM.


Moderator