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« on: December 08, 2004, 02:41:24 PM »

http://www.familybible.org/Teaching/Messianic/Church.htm



Do a Google search for "circe church" for more articles

http://www.tyndale.cam.ac.uk/Scriptures/www.innvista.com/scriptures/compare/heathena.htm

http://www.projecttimothy.org/church.htm

I recently heard this last weekend and it took me by surprise since i have never heard this before. Hope everyone finds this as interesting as I.

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« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2004, 03:44:42 PM »

Well, to say the least, the author of the first study seems to have an axe to grind.

The Germanic kirika, from when came the Old English cirice (church), was originally derived from the Greek kyriake oikia, meaning Lord's house. It, in itself derived from kyriakon (of the Lord).

There is also a close relationship with "oikonomia", usually translated as "dispensation", or age. The inherent meaning of oikonomia is considered to be "a stewardship or holding of something of value", or management.

The phrase "kyriake oikia" has been in consistent use by Christians since at least 300 AD, though the term "ekklesia" was used more in the western reaches.
 

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« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2004, 05:26:28 PM »


I dont believe the Author had any axe to grind but was revealing truth the general public doesnt know about.

Here is what i came across doing more search about the word Kirika.

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The Germanic kirika, from when came the Old English cirice (church), was originally derived from the Greek kyriake oikia, meaning Lord's house. It, in itself derived from kyriakon (of the Lord).

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I did some more search on what you posted about Kirika and came up with this.

Here i quote from Websters Dictonary New Twentieth Century Unabridged.

The name "Cir'ce". In Homer's Odyssey an enchantress who turned men into swine.

She was the goddess daughter of Helios the Sun diety! another form of sun worship.

The word is related to "Circus", "circle", "circuit", "Circean", "circulate and the various words starting with circum".

The Latin proununciation could have been "sirke" or "sirse".
The Old English word circe may have been prounounced similarly to "kirke", or even "sirse".

Circe was in fact originally a Greek goddess where her name was written as: Kirke. The word "church" is known in Scotland as kirk, and in Germans as Kirche and in Netherlands as kerk. These words show direct derviation from the Greek Kirke even better than the English "church". The Old English circe for "church" reveals it's origin.

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« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2004, 04:14:07 AM »

He has a lot of misinformation and the simple fact it is a Messianic "group" makes him less valid to me.

You'd have to do much more than search a current dictionary to find the meaning of an old word.  I also don't approve of people trying to retranslate the bible and constantly declaring things are "mistranslated".
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« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2004, 10:50:00 AM »


 I believe that Websters dictionary is quite verifiable and if i remeber correctly the man who wrote websters was a believer in Christ.

Why should it be less valid if it comes from a Messanic group? If somebody is telling truth it should not matter if the person is jewish or christian you know. But i do believe that we have to test all things what people say.

When you say retranslate do you mean like the NIV or KJ? there are alot of mistranslation in the KJ.and NIV.

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