Why don't we call for the president to stop killing IRAQI babies?

[Soldier4Christ]

Brother Beps, I thank you and anyone else that supports our active duty Military and Veterans.

I thank your son and his ship mates for carrying on a proud tradition that I am no longer able to do myself. I am with you all the way on your comments. If it were possible I would be there.  As you already know my handicapp prevents that. A handicap caused by having been there. That is not a complaint but something that I gladly did and would do again.

This is one of the reasons that I work with both active duty Military and Veterans everyday. Giving them support  spiritually, morally and physically. I talk to many daily (somewhere around 100). All of these young men and women are proud to be there doing what they are.



Our troops deserve full supporters such as you and not someone tearing down their moral by saying they are in an illegal war.

[musicllover]

Brother Beps, I thank you and anyone else that supports our active duty Military and Veterans.

I thank your son and his ship mates for carrying on a proud tradition that I am no longer able to do myself. I am with you all the way on your comments. If it were possible I would be there.  As you already know my handicapp prevents that. A handicap caused by having been there. That is not a complaint but something that I gladly did and would do again.

This is one of the reasons that I work with both active duty Military and Veterans everyday. Giving them support  spiritually, morally and physically. I talk to many daily (somewhere around 100). All of these young men and women are proud to be there doing what they are.

I agree Pastor,
                   Even though a military accidnet has caused my own sons disability he wants to be there too....... me I'm his momma and I thank God everyday that he was hit by a car while on duty, there are only a few men left of the caat red team, had he not been hit by the car he would most likely be dead, everyone else in his humvee has been killed or wounded for life.
       If only there were more who had a burden like you do, and lived closer to where my son lives. He so need the moral and spiritual guidance right now. I am proud of all our military, may God bless each and everyone, protect them and bring them home soon. And give our President wisdom and guidance during the next 4 years.

musicllover

[Soldier4Christ]

Brother Beps, I thank you and anyone else that supports our active duty Military and Veterans.

I thank your son and his ship mates for carrying on a proud tradition that I am no longer able to do myself. I am with you all the way on your comments. If it were possible I would be there.  As you already know my handicapp prevents that. A handicap caused by having been there. That is not a complaint but something that I gladly did and would do again.

This is one of the reasons that I work with both active duty Military and Veterans everyday. Giving them support  spiritually, morally and physically. I talk to many daily (somewhere around 100). All of these young men and women are proud to be there doing what they are.

I agree Pastor,
                   Even though a military accidnet has caused my own sons disability he wants to be there too....... me I'm his momma and I thank God everyday that he was hit by a car while on duty, there are only a few men left of the caat red team, had he not been hit by the car he would most likely be dead, everyone else in his humvee has been killed or wounded for life.
       If only there were more who had a burden like you do, and lived closer to where my son lives. He so need the moral and spiritual guidance right now. I am proud of all our military, may God bless each and everyone, protect them and bring them home soon. And give our President wisdom and guidance during the next 4 years.

musicllover

Thank you for your kind words. Actually, with the internet I am quite close nearby. He is welcome to talk with me at anytime. I would be thrilled to help him in anyway I can. There are many of us that feel the same way and are helping each other..

There are many of us throughout the U.S. that are doing what we can to help out in the same manner.


Here is one such young man that we are currently helping.

http://www.operationbrokenarrow.org/

[nChrist]

Pastor Roger & Musiclover,

There is much more in my heart than just support for our Armed Forces and the heroes of past generations who have served us. I love them and have the deepest respect for them. I don't have words to properly express my thanks that is deep within my heart, but I do try with every opportunity I get.

I served in the 60s, but I'm not a Veteran of Foreign War. I spent most of the rest of my active life in police work. Pastor Roger, my disability is from police work, and I would do it all over again just like you would. I simply give thanks that God allowed me to serve.

Musiclover, I would love to spend some time with your son, and I know there are many Christians near your home who would also love to spend some time with your son. There are many Christians who feel the same way I do about our young men and women who sacrifice so much in preserving our way of life.

Sister, I would be happy to correspond with your son if he would allow it. I'm really thinking that there are many people in Christian Counseling or folks connected to Christian Serviceman's Centers who would love to talk with your son. I'm not a counsellor, rather just a Christian who really cares about him. I'll be happy to help in any way that I can. My email is:

Tom Rightmer
blkidps@sirinet.net

Love In Christ,
Tom

I Corinthians 1:9  God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.

[Soldier4Christ]

muscllover,

If you could give me a general location for your son I could get him in contact with some people that might be able to help. That or he can contact Beps, myself or both.

My email is:

rogeranders@gmail.com


Just let us know how we can help.



And Beps, a Veteran is a Veteran be it Military, Police or Fire Dept. They are all service to the country. It doesn't have to be a war Veteran in my book. Thank you.

[CrystalClear]

Desertions during time of war or peace has happened all the way back before the Civil War.  During times of war the rates do increase. Many of these people try to use the excuse of,  "I don't believe in this war." or "I didn't realise that I would have to kill someone."  Desertion to Canada or some other country is not a new thing either nor was it new during Viet Nam.

Desertion during WWI and WWII was low in comparison for two reasons. 1. It was not socially accepted and  2. The firing squad was more readily used. During WWII the firing squad was terminated after the first soldier was caught and executed and the media raised a big stink over it.

After that they were sentenced to jail time and given a dishonorable discharge even though the laws still say they could be placed before a firing squad. Normally the jail time does not extend past their normal obligated time of service.

I don't wholly agree with you on this PR. I haven't done the research but I'll bet you that desertion rates are higher when the wars are not justified. Korea saw a sharp increase in desertion but nothing like Vietnam and now Iraq... WW1 and WW2 saw low desertion rates because the were just wars. The Civil war had a VERY high desertion rate... wonder why?

[nChrist]

Pastor Roger,

Brother, I just realized what you are doing now. I loved you before as a brother in Christ, and I love and respect you MORE now. I will pray for you and your ministry every day. I'm a little bit choked up right now, so please just let me say thank you - GOD BLESS YOU!

Brother, if there is anything you think I could do to help in your ministry, please let me try.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Romans 8:28  And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

[CrystalClear]

To the person who started this thread,
SHAME ON YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!

it sickens me that you think our soliders are killing iraqi babies. War ins't pretty its defiantly not a tea party, why don't you blaim Hussain for havig his army dress like civillian and hide among the towns people? Using his own people as humans shields? You think the USA is so bad move to Iraq, be an American Christian and try to keep your head.

I've never been to war, but MY BABY went to war, it was his job, he didn't plan on going to war. He thought the military would be a good way to get on his feet after high school....nieve on his part yes... BUt once you sign you do what your told. And he did. Do you believe for one minute that I believe my baby should have allowed someone to shoot him because war with iraq was wrong (it wasn't), and by the way you have ever right to your opinion my son defended your right, how ironic? Your thread is a major cut down to our military. Sure its not perfect, but a WHOLE lot better than Hussenian and his army who are the true baby killers, along with his sons who were saddistic rapist.

I'm ashamed of anyone who would call themselves a christian and call our military baby killers. Instead of condeming  our President, why do you try praying for him, our military and those in iraq too. You got him for another 4 years no matter what you like.

God called for the death of all first born .......so I guess he is a "baby killer" too?  

Get over it Bush won, THANK GOD,
musicllover

No one is blaming the troops we are blaming the Bush administration. I blame the Bush administration for every single death (not just our own death toll) in THE IRAQ war. Not the war on terror because they are VERY different things.

[CrystalClear]

I'm glad we all agree that support of our troops is ESSENTIAL! Amen to all of you!  

Bronzesnake, I'm glad that you are willing to argue with me in an adult manner! Thank you!

However, nothing in your last post (while I agree with almost all of what you said) gives us the right to invade a country that did not attack us. Period. Not only does it not give us the right to invade them but it is even worse to invade and try to impose a government of our choosing. Yes, I know there will be *snicker* elections this month but we decided what type of government is best for them...

[musicllover]

To the person who started this thread,
SHAME ON YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!

it sickens me that you think our soliders are killing iraqi babies. War ins't pretty its defiantly not a tea party, why don't you blaim Hussain for havig his army dress like civillian and hide among the towns people? Using his own people as humans shields? You think the USA is so bad move to Iraq, be an American Christian and try to keep your head.

I've never been to war, but MY BABY went to war, it was his job, he didn't plan on going to war. He thought the military would be a good way to get on his feet after high school....nieve on his part yes... BUt once you sign you do what your told. And he did. Do you believe for one minute that I believe my baby should have allowed someone to shoot him because war with iraq was wrong (it wasn't), and by the way you have ever right to your opinion my son defended your right, how ironic? Your thread is a major cut down to our military. Sure its not perfect, but a WHOLE lot better than Hussenian and his army who are the true baby killers, along with his sons who were saddistic rapist.

I'm ashamed of anyone who would call themselves a christian and call our military baby killers. Instead of condeming  our President, why do you try praying for him, our military and those in iraq too. You got him for another 4 years no matter what you like.

God called for the death of all first born .......so I guess he is a "baby killer" too?  

Get over it Bush won, THANK GOD,
musicllover

No one is blaming the troops we are blaming the Bush administration. I blame the Bush administration for every single death (not just our own death toll) in THE IRAQ war. Not the war on terror because they are VERY different things.

Gee how big of you, what about Husseins tactics? Lets spread the kindness around a little.........lol.
Pres Bush is their commander and cheif, I know for my son and many of you commrades when you cut down the Pres your cutting them down so to them you are blaiming the troops.
      For the record, why would you call Pres Bush a baby killer, your talking about the wrong president.
        Truth is, anyone who wants to call Pres Bush a baby killer is way off here, its Clinton who supports abortion, partional birth abortion even, he is the real baby killer.

musicllover

[Soldier4Christ]

Beps,

My ministry is two fold.  I (along with a group of other members) council with individuals (Veterans, Active Duty, and those thinking of joining) through the following forum:

http://forums.military.com/1/OpenTopic?a=frm&s=78919038&f=89610255

It is a forum that is sponsored by www.military.com

I am one of many volunteers through a Veteran sponsored site (not all of us are necessarily Christians). The site is fairly new and not all functions work yet.

http://www.operationbrokenarrow.org/

Anyone wishing to volunteer their time may go to:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/brokenarrowvolunteers/join

We are a new nonprofit group just starting Broken Arrow. In fact not a penny goes into any of our pockets. All donations if any go directly to the people it is designated for.

The most important thing is to get the word out to those that need help of any sort even if it just someone that needs to talk to someone. If nothing else,  prayers and more prayers for the two groups and for those that we are trying to help.

[Soldier4Christ]

I'm glad we all agree that support of our troops is ESSENTIAL! Amen to all of you!  

Bronzesnake, I'm glad that you are willing to argue with me in an adult manner! Thank you!

However, nothing in your last post (while I agree with almost all of what you said) gives us the right to invade a country that did not attack us. Period. Not only does it not give us the right to invade them but it is even worse to invade and try to impose a government of our choosing. Yes, I know there will be *snicker* elections this month but we decided what type of government is best for them...

To support the troops you must be able to support what they are doing. What they are doing is war. To say that war is illegal is to say that what they are doing is illegal.

Anything less is just empty, meaningless words that breaks down the moral of the troops. This is not just my sentiment but that of many that are there and have been there.

[musicllover]

Tom, Pasot Rogers,
                         Thank you both so much, I will send you privately my location. Also I will make note of your address.

musicllover

[Bronzesnake]

Brother Beps, I thank you and anyone else that supports our active duty Military and Veterans.

I thank your son and his ship mates for carrying on a proud tradition that I am no longer able to do myself. I am with you all the way on your comments. If it were possible I would be there.  As you already know my handicapp prevents that. A handicap caused by having been there. That is not a complaint but something that I gladly did and would do again.

This is one of the reasons that I work with both active duty Military and Veterans everyday. Giving them support  spiritually, morally and physically. I talk to many daily (somewhere around 100). All of these young men and women are proud to be there doing what they are.



Our troops deserve full supporters such as you and not someone tearing down their moral by saying they are in an illegal war.

 BEP & P.R.
Keep telling it like it is my brothers!!

Please thank your son for me BEP.
 Thank you Pastor Rogers for your service. I was in the Navy cadets when I was a young man. My "ship" was the HMS Illustrious - of course it was really only a converted arena, however, my dad served on that aircraft carrier during WWII in England. That carrier was part of the far east fleet. That carrier sank the entire Italian navy in port, using the outdated bi-wing Swordfish torpedo bombers! The HMS Illustrious has the distinction of being the aircraft carrier that took the most torpedoes without sinking! The ship received many honors for active service during the war, and I am saddened that my health went south before I could join the big leagues and carry on the distinguished family war service tradition. Dad joined the army after the war and was deployed in Egypt during the Suez canal battle.

 God bless our troops.

Bronzesnake

[Soldier4Christ]

Brother Beps, I thank you and anyone else that supports our active duty Military and Veterans.

I thank your son and his ship mates for carrying on a proud tradition that I am no longer able to do myself. I am with you all the way on your comments. If it were possible I would be there.  As you already know my handicapp prevents that. A handicap caused by having been there. That is not a complaint but something that I gladly did and would do again.

This is one of the reasons that I work with both active duty Military and Veterans everyday. Giving them support  spiritually, morally and physically. I talk to many daily (somewhere around 100). All of these young men and women are proud to be there doing what they are.



Our troops deserve full supporters such as you and not someone tearing down their moral by saying they are in an illegal war.

 BEP & P.R.
Keep telling it like it is my brothers!!

Please thank your son for me BEP.
 Thank you Pastor Rogers for your service. I was in the Navy cadets when I was a young man. My "ship" was the HMS Illustrious - of course it was really only a converted arena, however, my dad served on that aircraft carrier during WWII in England. That carrier was part of the far east fleet. That carrier sank the entire Italian navy in port, using the outdated bi-wing Swordfish torpedo bombers! The HMS Illustrious has the distinction of being the aircraft carrier that took the most torpedoes without sinking! The ship received many honors for active service during the war, and I am saddened that my health went south before I could join the big leagues and carry on the distinguished family war service tradition. Dad joined the army after the war and was deployed in Egypt during the Suez canal battle.

 God bless our troops.

Bronzesnake

I thank you, brother.

My dad was not able to join the Military due to his physical condition. He did his part for the war effort while working for Caterpillar so that they could meet the gov't contract they had. There is more than one way to serve. He also did many other things as he was able such as donations, etc.

If your dad is still with you, please thank him for his service for me. With things being as they are today it is important that all Veterans and active duty Military know that what they are doing is a good thing.