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« on: October 28, 2004, 06:16:28 PM »

Russia tied to Iraq's missing arms


By Bill Gertz
THE WASHINGTON TIMES

Russian special forces troops moved many of Saddam Hussein's weapons and related goods out of Iraq and into Syria in the weeks before the March 2003 U.S. military operation, The Washington Times has learned.
    John A. Shaw, the deputy undersecretary of defense for international technology security, said in an interview that he believes the Russian troops, working with Iraqi intelligence, "almost certainly" removed the high-explosive material that went missing from the Al-Qaqaa facility, south of Baghdad.
 
    "The Russians brought in, just before the war got started, a whole series of military units," Mr. Shaw said. "Their main job was to shred all evidence of any of the contractual arrangements they had with the Iraqis. The others were transportation units."
    Mr. Shaw, who was in charge of cataloging the tons of conventional arms provided to Iraq by foreign suppliers, said he recently obtained reliable information on the arms-dispersal program from two European intelligence services that have detailed knowledge of the Russian-Iraqi weapons collaboration.
    Most of Saddam's most powerful arms were systematically separated from other arms like mortars, bombs and rockets, and sent to Syria and Lebanon, and possibly to Iran, he said.
    The Russian involvement in helping disperse Saddam's weapons, including some 380 tons of RDX and HMX, is still being investigated, Mr. Shaw said.
    The RDX and HMX, which are used to manufacture high-explosive and nuclear weapons, are probably of Russian origin, he said.
    Pentagon spokesman Larry DiRita could not be reached for comment.
    The disappearance of the material was reported in a letter Oct. 10 from the Iraqi government to the International Atomic Energy Agency.
    Disclosure of the missing explosives Monday in a New York Times story was used by the Democratic presidential campaign of Sen. John Kerry, who accused the Bush administration of failing to secure the material.
    Al-Qaqaa, a known Iraqi weapons site, was monitored closely, Mr. Shaw said.
    "That was such a pivotal location, Number 1, that the mere fact of [special explosives] disappearing was impossible," Mr. Shaw said. "And Number 2, if the stuff disappeared, it had to have gone before we got there."
    The Pentagon disclosed yesterday that the Al-Qaqaa facility was defended by Fedayeen Saddam, Special Republican Guard and other Iraqi military units during the conflict. U.S. forces defeated the defenders around April 3 and found the gates to the facility open, the Pentagon said in a statement yesterday.
    A military unit in charge of searching for weapons, the Army's 75th Exploitation Task Force, then inspected Al-Qaqaa on May 8, May 11 and May 27, 2003, and found no high explosives that had been monitored in the past by the IAEA.
    The Pentagon said there was no evidence of large-scale movement of explosives from the facility after April 6.
    "The movement of 377 tons of heavy ordnance would have required dozens of heavy trucks and equipment moving along the same roadways as U.S. combat divisions occupied continually for weeks prior to and subsequent to the 3rd Infantry Division's arrival at the facility," the statement said.
    The statement also said that the material may have been removed from the site by Saddam's regime.
    According to the Pentagon, U.N. arms inspectors sealed the explosives at Al-Qaqaa in January 2003 and revisited the site in March and noted that the seals were not broken.
    It is not known whether the inspectors saw the explosives in March. The U.N. team left the country before the U.S.-led invasion began March 20, 2003.
    A second defense official said documents on the Russian support to Iraq reveal that Saddam's government paid the Kremlin for the special forces to provide security for Iraq's Russian arms and to conduct counterintelligence activities designed to prevent U.S. and Western intelligence services from learning about the arms pipeline through Syria.
    The Russian arms-removal program was initiated after Yevgeny Primakov, the former Russian intelligence chief, could not persuade Saddam to give in to U.S. and Western demands, this official said.
    A small portion of Iraq's 650,000 tons to 1 million tons of conventional arms that were found after the war were looted after the U.S.-led invasion, Mr. Shaw said. Russia was Iraq's largest foreign supplier of weaponry, he said.
    However, the most important and useful arms and explosives appear to have been separated and moved out as part of carefully designed program. "The organized effort was done in advance of the conflict," Mr. Shaw said.
    The Russian forces were tasked with moving special arms out of the country.
    Mr. Shaw said foreign intelligence officials believe the Russians worked with Saddam's Mukhabarat intelligence service to separate out special weapons, including high explosives and other arms and related technology, from standard conventional arms spread out in some 200 arms depots.
    The Russian weapons were then sent out of the country to Syria, and possibly Lebanon in Russian trucks, Mr. Shaw said.
    Mr. Shaw said he believes that the withdrawal of Russian-made weapons and explosives from Iraq was part of plan by Saddam to set up a "redoubt" in Syria that could be used as a base for launching pro-Saddam insurgency operations in Iraq.
    The Russian units were dispatched beginning in January 2003 and by March had destroyed hundreds of pages of documents on Russian arms supplies to Iraq while dispersing arms to Syria, the second official said.
    Besides their own weapons, the Russians were supplying Saddam with arms made in Ukraine, Belarus, Bulgaria and other Eastern European nations, he said.
    "Whatever was not buried was put on lorries and sent to the Syrian border," the defense official said.
    Documents reviewed by the official included itineraries of military units involved in the truck shipments to Syria. The materials outlined in the documents included missile components, MiG jet parts, tank parts and chemicals used to make chemical weapons, the official said.
    The director of the Iraqi government front company known as the Al Bashair Trading Co. fled to Syria, where he is in charge of monitoring arms holdings and funding Iraqi insurgent activities, the official said.
    Also, an Arabic-language report obtained by U.S. intelligence disclosed the extent of Russian armaments. The 26-page report was written by Abdul Tawab Mullah al Huwaysh, Saddam's minister of military industrialization, who was captured by U.S. forces May 2, 2003.
    The Russian "spetsnaz" or special-operations forces were under the GRU military intelligence service and organized large commercial truck convoys for the weapons removal, the official said.
    Regarding the explosives, the new Iraqi government reported that 194.7 metric tons of HMX, or high-melting-point explosive, and 141.2 metric tons of RDX, or rapid-detonation explosive, and 5.8 metric tons of PETN, or pentaerythritol tetranitrate, were missing.
    The material is used in nuclear weapons and also in making military "plastic" high explosive.
    Defense officials said the Russians can provide information on what happened to the Iraqi weapons and explosives that were transported out of the country. Officials believe the Russians also can explain what happened to Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20041028-122637-6257r.htm
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« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2004, 09:35:05 PM »

 Great stuff my friend!

 I have always believed the weapons were shuttled across the Iraqi boarder into Syria. I watched the convoy crossing the boarder into Syria in the weeks following the war on CNN via satellite.

I made the following comments on the topic recently...

Theology / Prophecy - Current Events / Re:I thought Iraq had no WMD's Huh   on: October 26, 2004, 10:31:42 AM
 
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I believe they (weapons) were there. The entire U.N. Security Council believed they were there. The evidence is overwhelming that the weapons existed. Stockpiles that were tagged by inspectors following the first war disappeared - however, Saddam either couldn't, or wouldn't disclose where they went. Saddam used them in the past against the Kurds and Iranians. I believe the WMD were shuttled across the boarder and into Syria.

Theology / Prophecy - Current Events / Re:I thought Iraq had no WMD's Huh   on: October 17, 2004, 02:02:52 PM
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I recall watching CNN in the weeks leading up to the war, and they showed satellite images of a very long caravan of covered military trucks leaving Iraq and entering Syria. The odd thing is - I watch CNN a lot, and I only saw that imagery once, after that there was no more mention of it...not a peep.

 I must admit, I was caught off guard when I heard the Russians were directly involved. However, I am not surprized.

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« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2004, 12:45:21 PM »

Hi,

Mr Shaw has been contradicted by Rumsfeld.

Also, there are photos of at least some of the explosives which were taken after the invasion.

It is very possible, even probable, that explosives left the place by more than one route.  The photo being used to show that explosive were removed has two trucks, an estimated 40 trucks would have been necessary just to remove the explosives, there were also milling machinery and such so a lot of activity was necessary to move everything.

Maybe some were taken before the war, clearly, some have disappeared after the war.

With bombings being the attack of choice by terrorists, doesn't it seem strange that while fighting the "War on Terror" planners didn't seem to much care about explosives?  

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« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2004, 01:08:12 PM »

Like most situations there are a lot of "experts" that speak up and will complain and judge others saying how poor a job they did.

This was a war and in a war there is a lot of confusion and things sometimes do get overlooked. One of the objectives was to find and destroy all munitions/explosives that could be used against us (the main objective was to get their army under control with as few of ours being killed as possible). There were many munitions/explosives that did get destroyed. For various reasons not all of these got recorded.

There were satellite pictures taken at the onset of the war that showed munitions trucks moving loads out of the country that could not be stopped and checked or destroyed.

Was this a poor operation by our troops? NO! This operation went fairly smooth and our troops did their job in an excellant and professional manner from planning to execution.

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« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2004, 05:25:32 PM »

 There are photos which show a few trucks parked beside the bunkers. However, there was a press conference today, and there are other photos which will be going public soon, that show many, many trucks beside the bunkers. Also, a major stated that, the Americans took control of the area after destroying enemy forces which were already at the location at the start of hostilities. There was something very interesting said also, the speaker stated that at the beginning of the war, when the Americans arrived at the site, there were Iraqi army there and "others" (a reference to the Russians) after the major battle was over, the Major stated that they entered bunkers which were already broken to when they arrived, and seized tons of weapons which were later destroyed.

 The facts seem to point to a scenario where many weapons of unknown type, were taken out of the country before the war began, and that the Russians were involved.

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