Rational For Iraq War

[sincereheart]

"Lesson to a Son

The other day, my nine-year-old son wanted to know why we were at war. My husband looked at our son and then looked at me. My husband and I were in the Army during the Gulf War and we would be honored to serve and defend our country again today. I knew that my husband would give him a good explanation.

My husband thought for a few minutes and then told my son to go stand in our front living room window. He told him:

"Son, stand there and tell me what you see?"

"I see trees and cars and our neighbors houses." he replied.

"OK, now I want you to pretend that our house and our yard is the United States of America and you are President Bush."

Our son giggled and said "OK."

"Now son, I want you to look out the window and pretend that every house and yard on this block is a different country." my husband said.

"OK Dad, I'm pretending."

"Now I want you to stand there and look out the window and see that man come out of his house with his wife and he has her by the hair and is hitting her. You see her bleeding and crying. He hits her in the face, he throws her on the ground, and then he starts to kick her to death. Their children run out and are afraid to stop him, they are crying, they are watching this but do nothing because they are kids and afraid of their father. You see all of this son....what do you do?"

"Dad?"

"What do you do, son?!"

"I call the police, Dad."

"OK. Pretend that the police are the United Nations and they take your call, listen to what you know and saw but they refuse to help. What do you do then son?!"

"Dad, but the police are supposed to help!" My son starts to whine.

"They don't want to son, because they say that it is not their place or your place to get involved and that you should stay out of it," my husband says.

"But Dad...he killed her!!" my son exclaims.

"I know he did...but the police tell you to stay out of it. Now I want you to look out that window and pretend you see our neighbor who you're pretending is Saddam turn around and do the same thing to his children."

"Daddy...he kills them?"

"Yes son, he does. What do you do?"

"Well, if the police don't want to help, I will go and ask my next door neighbor to help me stop him." our son says.

"Son, our next door neighbor sees what is happening and refuses to get involved as well. He refuses to open the door and help you stop him," my husband says.

"But Dad, I NEED help!!! I can't stop him by myself!!"

"WHAT DO YOU DO SON?"

Our son starts to cry.

"OK, no one wants to help you, the man across the street saw you ask for help and saw that no one would help you stop him. He stands taller and puffs out his chest. Guess what he does next son?"

"What Daddy?"

"He walks across the street to the old ladies house and breaks down her door and drags her out, steals all her stuff and sets her house on fire and then...he kills her. He turns around and sees you standing in he window and laughs at you. WHAT DO YOU DO?!!!"

"Daddy..."

"WHAT DO YOU DO?!!!"

Our son is crying and he looks down and he whispers, "I close the blinds, Daddy."

My husband looks at our son with tears in his eyes and asks him... "Why?"

"Because Daddy.....the police are supposed to help...people who need it....and they won't help....You always say that neighbors are supposed to HELP neighbors, but they won't help either...they won't help me stop him...I'm afraid....I can't do it by myself...Daddy.....I can't look out my window and just watch him do all these terrible things and...and.....do nothing...so....I'm just going to close the blinds....so I can't see what he's doing........and I'm going to pretend that it is not happening."

I start to cry.

My husband looks at our nine year old son standing in the window, looking pitiful and ashamed at his answers to my husbands questions and he tells him...."Son"

"Yes, Daddy."

"Open the blinds because that man....he's at your front door..."WHAT DO YOU DO?!!!!"

My son looks at his father, anger and defiance in his eyes. He balls up his tiny fists and looks his father square in the eyes, without hesitation he says: "I DEFEND MY FAMILY DAD!! I'M NOT GONNA LET HIM HURT MOMMY OR MY SISTER, DAD!!! I'M GONNA FIGHT HIM, DAD, I'M GONNA FIGHT HIM!!!!!"

I see a tear roll down my husband's cheek and he
grabs my son to his chest and hugs him tight, and cries..."It's too late to fight him, he's too strong and he's already at YOUR front door son.....you should have stopped him BEFORE he killed his wife. You have to do what's right, even if you have to do it alone, before......it's too late." my husband whispers.

THAT scenario I just gave you is WHY we are at war with Iraq. When good men stand by and let evil happen is the greatest EVIL of all. Our President is doing what is right. We, as a free nation, must understand that this war is a war of humanity. WE must remove this evil man from power so that we can continue to live in a free world where we are not afraid to look out our window and see crimes on humanity. So that my nine-year-old son won't grow up in a world where he feels that if he just "closes" that blinds the atrocities in the world won't affect him."

~from an e-mail

Ok anti-Busher's...... Have at it!  

[Tim Vaughan]

I see a tear roll down my husband's cheek and he
grabs my son to his chest and hugs him tight, and cries..."It's too late to fight him, he's too strong and he's already at YOUR front door son.....you should have stopped him BEFORE he killed his wife. You have to do what's right, even if you have to do it alone, before......it's too late." my husband whispers.

This is a typical appeal to under educated, easily led people. The idea that a third world nation of 26 million like Iraq was a threat to the US is laughable.

[2nd Timothy]

Saddam was a person, he is capable of what all people are capable of.

Not all people do what WMD's are capable of.  Saddam however did, more than once.

Grace and Peace!

[Tim Vaughan]

Not all people do what WMD's are capable of.  Saddam however did, more than once.

Grace and Peace!

What does that mean?

[2nd Timothy]

I thought weapons of mass distruction was pretty self defining.  

A weapon that goes boom! - Mass distruction......generally  killing lots of people!   Saddam deffinately went boom a number of times killing large masses of Iraqi's  

Saddam = WMD.

[Tim Vaughan]

So what? I could name a dozen dictators still in power who have acted the same way. Should we invade them too?

[Pastor Roger]

I see a tear roll down my husband's cheek and he
grabs my son to his chest and hugs him tight, and cries..."It's too late to fight him, he's too strong and he's already at YOUR front door son.....you should have stopped him BEFORE he killed his wife. You have to do what's right, even if you have to do it alone, before......it's too late." my husband whispers.

This is a typical appeal to under educated, easily led people. The idea that a third world nation of 26 million like Iraq was a threat to the US is laughable.

This is a typical response of a pacifist. Are you a pacifist.

Learn from history. Some of the smallest countries were some of the toughest to beat because people sat back and did nothing until that country became quite big.

[Tim Vaughan]

This is a typical response of a pacifist. Are you a pacifist.

No, I am a Calvinist, like Stonewall Jackson, and I would have fought just like he did.

You, on the other hand, are brainwashed into thinking that the "Bush Doctrine" of preemption has anything in common with American history or priciples.

Learn from history. Some of the smallest countries were some of the toughest to beat because people sat back and did nothing until that country became quite big.

Well, since you brought it up, let's have some examples.

[Pastor Roger]

This is a typical response of a pacifist. Are you a pacifist.

No, I am a Calvinist, like Stonewall Jackson, and I would have fought just like he did.

You, on the other hand, are brainwashed into thinking that the "Bush Doctrine" of preemption has anything in common with American history or priciples.

Learn from history. Some of the smallest countries were some of the toughest to beat because people sat back and did nothing until that country became quite big.

Well, since you brought it up, let's have some examples.

Brainwashed I am not. I am an independent. I don't even follow denominational doctrines. Instead I follow Jesus.

Israel is one example. It is and always has been one of the hardest groups to be beat. Yes it was beat numerous times but it keeps coming back.

North Viet Nam, and North Korea were two other such countries. Afhganistan could not be beat by Russia.

[Kalthzar]

Israel gets help from the USA that i know of, as have south korea and vietnam, russia/China was helping north korea, Afghanistan was getting helped by USA

[Pastor Roger]

Israel gets help from the USA that i know of, as have south korea and vietnam, russia/China was helping north korea, Afghanistan was getting helped by USA

Yes, you are correct and Iraq was also setting up similar ties with other countries for "help". Those ties had not solidified yet when the U.S. went in but they were there in the early stages.

 

[2nd Timothy]

So what? I could name a dozen dictators still in power who have acted the same way. Should we invade them too?

Let me put it to you like this....if you had a neighbor that was killing his family members, attacking other neighbors and taking over their homes like a bully, and defying law enforcment in order to continue his ruthlesness.....wouldn't you say its time to take some sort of action to curb unthwarted evil behaviour?.....whether that be removing him from his home/neighborhood, or encouraging civil behaviour by some other means of consequences?

What is your rational for allowing this neighbor to remain?

Grace and Peace!

[Tim Vaughan]

Let me put it to you like this....if you had a neighbor that was killing his family members, attacking other neighbors and taking over their homes like a bully, and defying law enforcment in order to continue his ruthlesness.....wouldn't you say its time to take some sort of action to curb unthwarted evil behaviour?.....whether that be removing him from his home/neighborhood, or encouraging civil behaviour by some other means of consequences?

What is your rational for allowing this neighbor to remain?

Tim, with respect, you are describing Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe to a tee. Now tell me what we as Americans are obligated to do about him.

[2nd Timothy]

You tell me?

[Tim Vaughan]

You posed the analogy, don't be coy. We should have kept our noses out of other people's business, in my opinion. Now, think clearly and tell me why we shouldn't go into Zimbabwe. Please give some thought to your answer.