Whatever Means Necessary

[Tim Vaughan]

The differences of the two candidates on the questions of gay marriage, stem cell research, abortion, etc.. are differences of degree, not principle. They both approve, and in Bush's case have actually taken my tax dollars and used it to do stem cell research.

[nChrist]

"The first priority is the economy of our nation. And when you have a downturn in the economy, the last thing you do is raise taxes or cut spending. We shouldn't do either. We need to maintain a course that hopefully will stimulate the economy.... No, we should not raise taxes, but we have to put everything on the table to take a look at why we have this structural problem today. ...you don't want to raise taxes."

John Kerry - September 2001


"I will roll back Bush's tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans to invest in education and healthcare."
 
John Kerry - September 2004

My Note:  Is this socialism? Who's going to buy equipment, open new businesses, and create new jobs? Who's going to help the already struggling businesses around the country? Who pays taxes when these businesses go under and bankrupt?

[Tim Vaughan]

My Note:  Is this socialism? Who's going to buy equipment, open new businesses, and create new jobs? Who's going to help the already struggling businesses around the country? Who pays taxes when these businesses go under and bankrupt?

The Bible allows just over 6% tax, anything more is wrong, so it's a question of degree, not principle. They both want to spend to much, can't you see that? Do you think God is pleased with paying people to do research on stem cells from murdered babies?

[sincereheart]

Tim, You're not, perchance, Catholic are you?  

[Tim Vaughan]

No, I'm a Calvinist. Perhaps you've heard of us? The Mayflower, Pilgrims? You know, the people who founded this republic.

Now, without excuses concerning your sex, what were the justifications for this war.

[sincereheart]

Nope, never heard of YOU in relation to them!  

[Pastor Roger]

My brother is a Calvinist. You don't sound anything like him.

[Allinall]

Am I the only one who sees this election as a potential Kadeshbarnea?  I mean, it really seems as though you have God on the one side, and the world on the other.  You can see it just talking to people of opposing viewpoints.  The one side will say that basic sin is sin.  The other will say that basic sin isn't sin.  One side calls evil evil.  The other, calls evil good.  I get the feeling that we'll get what we vote for on this one.  If we chose the world, it's philosophies, it's wants and desires, then we will get that, and all that comes with it.  If we chose what God says, then we will be at immediate odds with the world, both here in America, and out there in the other nations.  Guys, we need to be praying.  We need to vote.

[Kalthzar]

Just answer the question please...

oh and blackeyepeas (may i shorten that to bep or something?)

I would never say that what we hear is not biased in any way, I think the actual problems of the 'world' are sometimes clouded by what the media wants us to hear/ thinks we're interested in.

A death is a death, be it from terrorism, hunger, Natural/Manmade disasters, War or anything else they are dead, you cannot bring them back. So should they not ALL receive your thoughts? Why are the ones to do with terrorism so special? What about the terrorists themselves, doing what they beleive to be the only option left? Do they diserve pity or a moments thought, they are human too.

hmmm that was longer than i thought, and might not have been articulated to the best of my abilities...oh and keep talking about Kerry, tax and stem cells by all means i just thought i'd say something...  

[Pastor Roger]

Am I the only one who sees this election as a potential Kadeshbarnea?  I mean, it really seems as though you have God on the one side, and the world on the other.  You can see it just talking to people of opposing viewpoints.  The one side will say that basic sin is sin.  The other will say that basic sin isn't sin.  One side calls evil evil.  The other, calls evil good.  I get the feeling that we'll get what we vote for on this one.  If we chose the world, it's philosophies, it's wants and desires, then we will get that, and all that comes with it.  If we chose what God says, then we will be at immediate odds with the world, both here in America, and out there in the other nations.  Guys, we need to be praying.  We need to vote.

You are definitely not alone on that.

[Evangelist]

Jos 24:15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that [were] on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.

Jer 2:5
Thus saith the LORD, What iniquity have your fathers found in me, that they are gone far from me, and have walked after vanity, and are become vain?
Jer 2:7
And I brought you into a plentiful country, to eat the fruit thereof and the goodness thereof; but when ye entered, ye defiled my land, and made mine heritage an abomination.
Jer 2:9
Wherefore I will yet plead with you, saith the LORD,..... (one more time....the LAST time)

Time is short, brethren.

[nChrist]

Am I the only one who sees this election as a potential Kadeshbarnea?  I mean, it really seems as though you have God on the one side, and the world on the other.  You can see it just talking to people of opposing viewpoints.  The one side will say that basic sin is sin.  The other will say that basic sin isn't sin.  One side calls evil evil.  The other, calls evil good.  I get the feeling that we'll get what we vote for on this one.  If we chose the world, it's philosophies, it's wants and desires, then we will get that, and all that comes with it.  If we chose what God says, then we will be at immediate odds with the world, both here in America, and out there in the other nations.  Guys, we need to be praying.  We need to vote.

Allinall,

Brother, I agree with you completely. It's a battle between good and evil, plain and simple.

Love In Christ,
Tom

[Allinall]

Am I the only one who sees this election as a potential Kadeshbarnea?  I mean, it really seems as though you have God on the one side, and the world on the other.  You can see it just talking to people of opposing viewpoints.  The one side will say that basic sin is sin.  The other will say that basic sin isn't sin.  One side calls evil evil.  The other, calls evil good.  I get the feeling that we'll get what we vote for on this one.  If we chose the world, it's philosophies, it's wants and desires, then we will get that, and all that comes with it.  If we chose what God says, then we will be at immediate odds with the world, both here in America, and out there in the other nations.  Guys, we need to be praying.  We need to vote.

Allinall,

Brother, I agree with you completely. It's a battle between good and evil, plain and simple.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Sadly my friends and Brothers, many believers aren't seeing that.  It's just an election to get want they want, not a responsibility to stand for what's right.  Thanks Tom and Pastor Roger!  Let's bloody our knees praying for this thing.

[nChrist]

Allinall,

Brother, it's far past time for all Christians to bloody their knees and pray for our country. We take for granted our freedoms, especially our freedom to worship God. This is a time of great evil and danger for our country.

I'm not talking about a single election, rather an overall attempt to further erode our core values and ask us to turn our backs on God. Sleeping and silent Christians need to wake up, pray, pray some more, and STAND UP!

Love In Christ,
Tom

[Brother Love]

Allinall,

Brother, it's far past time for all Christians to bloody their knees and pray for our country. We take for granted our freedoms, especially our freedom to worship God. This is a time of great evil and danger for our country.

I'm not talking about a single election, rather an overall attempt to further erode our core values and ask us to turn our backs on God. Sleeping and silent Christians need to wake up, pray, pray some more, and STAND UP!Love In Christ,
Tom

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