Hello Jeremiah7,
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I tried nice first, and that didn't work, so the false teaching has been deleted, and any further false teaching will also be deleted. The below will inform other readers what happened in this thread.Brother, let's discuss this in a peaceful and brotherly way. What do you think that Psalms 72:12-13 actually means?
Let's also consider some Bible facts as we discuss this:
1 - What did Adam bring to all of mankind?
2 - Are there any men, Christian or not, who haven't physically died eventually over the last 2,000 years?
3 - Are there any Christians in the Bible who were starved, beaten, imprisoned, and/or killed?
Brother, I'm not discussing this for the sake of argument. I'm discussing this for the sake of Bible Truth and what it means to the hearers. There are many portions of Scripture that can be isolated out of context and/or be easily misunderstood. Paul suffered hunger, beatings, persecution, imprisonment, and eventual beheading. Does this mean that the Bible isn't TRUE? NO.
Jesus Christ prayed from the Cross to the Father "to let this cup pass from me". Did it? Why not?
There are starving Christians in the world right now who are suffering all kinds of needs, so does this mean that the Bible isn't true? No.
Brother Jeremiah, please don't mistake my purpose for pointing these things out. I don't want people to think that there are contradictions or lies in the Bible, and there aren't - NOT ONE.
Let's answer the possible contradiction in Psalms 72:12-13 so that all reading it will know that it isn't a lie and isn't a contradiction. So, how do we do this? We must rightly divide the word of Truth and go back to the basics. One of the basics is knowing the TIME that is being referred to. In this case, the time being referred to is the Millennial Reign of CHRIST on earth from the throne of David in Jerusalem. That time is not here yet. Many people don't know that Psalms contains a lot of Bible Prophecy - things to come. Psalms 72:12-13 is 100% TRUE for the Rule and Reign of CHRIST over the earth. Go back and put the Scripture in context to determine what TIME is being talked about and for WHO.
There are many other quite beautiful examples from the Old Testament that are Bible Prophecy and haven't happened yet. Here's a couple of examples that will help to illustrate what I'm trying to say:
Isaiah 11:6 And the wolf shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
Isaiah 65:25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the ox; and dust shall be the serpent's food. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith Jehovah.
Brother Jeremiah, the above portions of Scripture are not fairy tales, rather complete Truth. A lost person will say these things have to be lies because they certainly aren't true NOW. So, how do we explain these things? With nothing but the Truth! This is Bible Prophecy - things to come that haven't happened yet. When will they happen? AGAIN, the Rule and Reign of CHRIST.
Brother, if you teach people that all of their prayers will be granted in this TIME and this short life, it wouldn't be true. However, that would be a man not telling the truth - NOT THE BIBLE. Every word in the BIBLE is TRUE from cover to cover. We must know how to rightly divide the WORD OF TRUTH.
Here's an example from the New Testament from Jesus Christ Himself:
Matthew 17:20 And he saith unto them, Because of your little faith: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.
Is this TRUE? YES! HOW? - Explain it. There is a completely reasonable explanation if you rightly divide the Word of Truth. Brother, do you move mountains with your faith? No, you don't, so what's the explanation. I know, but I'm asking you for purposes of a brotherly conversation.
Here's another one from Jesus Christ Himself:
Mark 16:17-18 And these signs shall accompany them that believe: in my name shall they cast out demons; they shall speak with new tongues; 18 they shall take up serpents, and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall in no wise hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
Is the above true? YES! For NOW and by us? NO! GOD had a specific TIME and PURPOSE, and this completely TRUE statement was only TRUE for the people He was talking to. Most obviously, Christians of today aren't going to drink poison, play with snakes, etc. to prove that they are Christians. Obviously, Christians of today will die if they drink deadly things, and others will think that the HOLY BIBLE isn't true. The same is TRUE for the other portions of the quoted Scripture. NO, we don't speak in tongues, cast out demons, or lay hands on the sick and heal them. Those JESUS was talking to DID in the presence of many witnesses, and they were SIGNS Specifically Given by GOD for a specific time and purpose. We must learn to handle the WORD OF GOD properly and with diligence. Otherwise, the lost and others will think that the BIBLE isn't TRUE.
Please, I hope that you take this in the Brotherly manner I intended. I don't like debates, but I do LOVE BIBLE TRUTH. If you would like to discuss this further in a Brotherly manner, I'll be happy to do so.
Love In Christ,
Tom
Isaiah 2:1-5 NASB 1 The word which Isaiah the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem. 2 Now it will come about that In the last days The mountain of the house of the LORD Will be established as the chief of the mountains, And will be raised above the hills; And all the nations will stream to it. 3 And many peoples will come and say, "Come, let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, To the house of the God of Jacob; That He may teach us concerning His ways And that we may walk in His paths." For the law will go forth from Zion And the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. 4 And He will judge between the nations, And will render decisions for many peoples; And they will hammer their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, And never again will they learn war. 5 Come, house of Jacob, and let us walk in the light of the LORD.
Isaiah 9:2-7 NASB 2 The people who walk in darkness Will see a great light; Those who live in a dark land, The light will shine on them. 3 You shall multiply the nation, You shall increase their gladness; They will be glad in Your presence As with the gladness of harvest, As men rejoice when they divide the spoil. 4 For You shall break the yoke of their burden and the staff on their shoulders, The rod of their oppressor, as at the battle of Midian. 5 For every boot of the booted warrior in the battle tumult, And cloak rolled in blood, will be for burning, fuel for the fire. 6 For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace. 7 There will be no end to the increase of His government or of peace, On the throne of David and over his kingdom, To establish it and to uphold it with justice and righteousness From then on and forevermore. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will accomplish this.