Freedom of Religious Expression

[sincereheart]

I live in the Bay Area and work in San Francisco.  I haven’t spent a penny in ‘The City’ in the last ten years other than eating lunch at the local Chinese Deli.  And I WON’T spend a penny there.  Why – because ‘The City’ supports everything the Bible (and I) find abhorrent!  So yes – I boycott San Francisco.

  And what a shame it is the way it is. It's such a beautiful city. I used to visit there as often as I could!  

[Lance]

It looks like Jeremiah was right when he fortold,

 Jer 17:9-11 "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
 10 I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.
 11 As the partridge sitteth on eggs, and hatcheth them not; so he that getteth riches, and not by right, shall leave them in the midst of his days, and at his end shall be a fool."

What a lovely nick, "sincereheart."

[ollie]

C'est Ci Bon. That sounds like a  Louis Armstrong number ollie.  LOL

By the way, did you know that your "Stan" was born near us in the village of Ulverston ?  There is a plaque on the wall of the house.  Click here to see it

Ulverston Fact - The actor Stan Laurel (born 16th June 1890, Argyle Street, Ulverston) is probably the best known Ulverstonian through the "Laurel & Hardy" films he made in Hollywood with Oliver Hardy in the 1920's and 1930's. Stan Laurel is remembered in Ulverston through the world's only Laurel & Hardy Museum. There is an appeal fund to place a Statue of Stan & Ollie in Ulverston, they are over half-way to their target, the website is based in the Netherlands, but the bank account is held in Ulverston.
Also :
http://members.lycos.co.uk/lahmuseum/Pages/ULVERSTON.htm

He sure got me into many "another fine mess"!

Thanks for the references. They were interesting.

Not sure about Louis Armstrong and C'est Ci Bon..

"C'est Ci Bon" is just about the sum total of my recall from three years of French in school. Perhaps other things if thought were given to it.

[ollie]

Are we ready to boycott San Francisco?

How about Hollywood and all its ungodliness and many of its movie people pushing their anti-Christ ways?

[Reba]

Yup Ollie,

Bet we all have different reasons in our understandings of why  Hollywood went so sinfull. Could it be Gods people withdrew and plaid dead?

A million years ago Mom said something like this...
 
'Becky maybe its not a sin to go to the movies but dont go to a movie you wouldn't take Jesus with you to see.'

 Not many movies, orTV, to watch abiding to that simple godly request.

[Psalm 119]

Lance,

All those who love Jesus will suffer persecution. Having said that, yes, HP should be boycotted. Boycotts do work. Take Levi Strauss, Kmart, and AOL for instance. All are in financial straits because they either support homosexuality, pornography etc.

As I stated in the Disney post, Christians should support the work of other Christians. We must stop feeding the dog who keeps biting us.

Psalm 119

[Lance]

Thanks Psalm 119 for the one positive response to this thread.

Psalm 119 is one of my favourite psalms even though it is rather long.  I like it best read out to me as at this site : -

Click here to listen [needs Real Player]

[Symphony]

Boycotting yes, but deliberately avoiding?  I don't know.

Certainly San F. is become our own Sodom, then.

And the Lord was loathe to spare anyone save on Abraham's repeated request.

But maybe Reba's point here:  We've withdrawn from San F. and Hollywood, so why shouldn't they go south?

Still, debauchery IS debauchery.  Who wants to be around it.  

[ebia]

Certainly San F. is become our own Sodom, then.

Ezekiel 16:49
" 'Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy."
Doesn't sound particularly more like S.F. than any other western city to me.

[Reba]

My grandparents  lived in The City how i loved to visit them. The smell of the warf....eating squid before they changed it's name.... the fog....riding the street cars....Grandma would never think of going to the store with out hat and gloves. This was a real change for  a country girl. For years saying i was born in San Francisco held a heap of pride. Mom and Dad lived in the Castro dristric. The Bible school Dad attended was in the filmore...  The Gate... the orange towers holding the fog. The wonderful Victorian homes the sun and fog playing off the detail of their beauty...

 

[linuxgeek]

Public pressure does work, just look at the many attempts by Abber Crombie and Finch to sell teenage smut in their catalogs.  Each time they try Christians rally and AC&F has to back away.

Unfortunately we live in a secular world and we are only temporal.  Eastman Kodak is another company that favors homosexuals and will fire anyone for speaking against it.  So do we not get our pictures developed on Kodak film?  What about General Motors?

How about Microsoft?  They are big on favoring gays and I bet everyone here uses a PC with Microsoft Windows.  Personally I use Linux.

Here is an article from another board that posts some information on companies that support the gay agenda.  Some of these companies go so far as to demand that their suppliers NOT GIVE any money to any cause that is against the homosexual agenda.

here is the article and the board link:

http://www.asinner.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=65

We will not win the battle, God will destroy evil on this earth and we can not stpo evil. We can however be very aware of how much evil is out there and who is promoting it.

Below is a list of twenty two companies that have exceeded the expectations of Gay/Lesbian and Bisexual groups by not only instituting a non discrimination policy, but including benefits for homosexual partners as well. Some even have the audacity to demand that their vendors MUST NOT CONTRIBUTE any money to groups who oppose homosexuality such as the Boy Scouts. Having this information certainly will help me make better decisions as to what companies get my money.

Stephen



Source http://www.hrc.org/worknet/cei/exceed.asp


EXCEEDING EXPECTATIONS

While more corporations across America are implementing policies and practices that are the hallmarks of equal treatment for GLBT employees, consumers and investors, a small subset have demonstrated a commitment to equality beyond their own work forces. Twenty-two Fortune and Forbes companies with HRC Corporate Equality Index ratings have endorsed the Employment Non-Discrimination Act, a federal bill that would ban discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation. They are:

Company Name


Score (percent)
Agilent Technologies Inc. 86
Apple Computer Inc. 100
AT&T Corp. 86
Capital One Financial Corp. 100
Charles Schwab Corp. 86
Cisco Systems 86
Coors Brewing Co. 86
Eastman Kodak Co. 100
FleetBoston Financial Corp. 86
General Mills Inc. 86
Hewlett-Packard Co. 100

IBM Corp. 100
John Hancock Financial Services Inc. 86
J.P. Morgan Chase & Co. 100
Levi Strauss & Co. 100
Microsoft Corp. 86
Nationwide 86
Nike Inc. 100
Oracle Corp. 71
Prudential Financial Corp. 100
Verizon Communications 86
Xerox Corp. 100


In addition to sponsoring GLBT community groups and events, at least two companies also specifically prohibit contributions to organizations that actively discriminate against GLBT people.

Lucent Technologies Inc. (100 percent) and Levi Strauss & Co. (100 percent) each require recipients of contributions from their corporate foundations to adhere to anti-discrimination guidelines, which precludes contributing to groups such as the Boy Scouts of America, which prohibits gay youth from entering their programs.

The Coca-Cola Co. (71 percent) beat back an attempt by a shareholder to remove sexual orientation from its non-discrimination policies. The company's board issued a strong statement against the resolution, which failed.

LinuxGeek

[Lance]

It's like trying to hold back the sea.  However Christians don't have to accept homosexuality.  In our small ways we can stand against it just like any other sin.  If we all throw up our hands in desperation, it will gain acceptance.
If we are asked why we don't accept it, it is enough to say that God has forbidden it and leave it there.

Here's a funny story at least I hope you find it so.  When I first became a Christian many years ago and my work mates found out, as they were bound to do, they hung a calendar of nude pictures next to the office telephone so that when one answered the phone one got a close up look.  I got some double sided tape and stuck patches over the "naughty" bits.  This caused an outrage as I expected it would and it wasn't too long before I was up in front of the boss.  He wanted to know why I had done it to which I replied that it was only done for provocation and next time I would remove offending calendars completely.  He replied by saying that if I did I would be charged with stealing.
Several weeks later we were to receive a very important visit from some people from the far east and the boss realized that they may be offended by the extensive display of pornographic material.  He issued a directive that it must be removed.  Those people who refused had it forcibly confiscated.  LOL

[ollie]

My grandparents  lived in The City how i loved to visit them. The smell of the warf....eating squid before they changed it's name.... the fog....riding the street cars....Grandma would never think of going to the store with out hat and gloves. This was a real change for  a country girl. For years saying i was born in San Francisco held a heap of pride. Mom and Dad lived in the Castro dristric. The Bible school Dad attended was in the filmore...  The Gate... the orange towers holding the fog. The wonderful Victorian homes the sun and fog playing off the detail of their beauty...

 

..........the fog rolling in through the golden gate across the bay, the embarcedero, the freeway to nowhere, the Fairmont Hotel, the top of the Mark, the Presidio, Telegraph Hill, 80 degrees and tee shirts in the valley, 50 degrees and jackets in the city, homes above with garages underneath right at the sidewalk, the vistas and views from any place in the city, Candlestick Park, the Bay bridge, and on and on. The most beautiful city in America.

[Lance]

Yes I saw it in Hitchcock's "Vertigo" and those giant redwood trees too.

giant sequoia n.
A very tall, coniferous evergreen tree (Sequoiadendron giganteum) native to the high western slopes of the Sierra Nevada in southern California and having a massive trunk and light-colored, reddish wood. Also called big tree, giant redwood.
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[ollie]

It's like trying to hold back the sea.  However Christians don't have to accept homosexuality.  In our small ways we can stand against it just like any other sin.  If we all throw up our hands in desperation, it will gain acceptance.
If we are asked why we don't accept it, it is enough to say that God has forbidden it and leave it there.

Here's a funny story at least I hope you find it so.  When I first became a Christian many years ago and my work mates found out, as they were bound to do, they hung a calendar of nude pictures next to the office telephone so that when one answered the phone one got a close up look.  I got some double sided tape and stuck patches over the "naughty" bits.  This caused an outrage as I expected it would and it wasn't too long before I was up in front of the boss.  He wanted to know why I had done it to which I replied that it was only done for provocation and next time I would remove offending calendars completely.  He replied by saying that if I did I would be charged with stealing.
Several weeks later we were to receive a very important visit from some people from the far east and the boss realized that they may be offended by the extensive display of pornographic material.  He issued a directive that it must be removed.  Those people who refused had it forcibly confiscated.  LOL

It has been my experience in the work place that management does not allow public display of pornographic material. How ever many have it in their private lockers etc. Many have porno magazines in their personal drawers.

Also the immodest dress of people is something hard to avoid in the workplace. I have found women to dress immodest more so than men. Sometimes one has to blank the mind, think on Godly things, and turn the head, and walk away from it.

Doesn't Paul tell us do not keep company with a brother guilty of fornication, etc. but not altogether those of the world who commit these sins?


 1 Corinthians 5:9.  I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
 10.  Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.
 11.  But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
 12.  For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
 13.  But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.