Revelation Now

[Marandia]

Ok, so my church has this new website that's meant to keep you informed of Global Headlines relevant to Christians while educating you as to the prophetic nature of the events that are unfolding around us. (I took that out of their header)  And they have a page on the site called "Revelation Now". MAN! I'm telling you, you guys have to go check out that page. IT WILL TURN YOUR WORLD INSIDEOUT. It shows you things that are happening right now that are so unbelievable it’ll leave your jaw hanging.

[HisDaughter]

Hi Marandia and welcome to the forums!
I've booked marked your link.  It looks pretty interesting.  I will have to wait to really give it a good going over for when I move next week as I will have my computer set up again at home with the speakers and everything.  Thanks.

In Christ,
Grammyluv

[Marandia]

thank you. I know most people don't like to go around clicking links. But for anyone wanting to get a crash corse on how far along we really are in the latter days it's really a good site. I'm proud of my church for doing it. For those who don't trust posted links you can just search "Elect's Sake"  on yahoo and you'll find it.

[Marandia]

the forum guys took my link down because there are some video news clips embedded on our site that or hosted through youtube to save on banwith.  It's only news clips nothing bad. But they said people can get to youtube through them. So i can't put the link up. But the site's name is "Elect's Sake" so put that into a yahoo search box and you'll get it. 


If the info on the "Elect's Sake" site can wake up just one soul, all the work we put into it will be worth it.

[Barbara]

Hello Marandia! It's good to meet you!

I'd like to also thank you for that sight - from what my husband and I saw it is very interesting. We've also bookmarked it.

We were interested in the chemtrails info. There was so much of that when we lived in Virginia close to a year ago. We hadn't seen it in NY when we lived up there so of course it caught our attention! We found the information to be right on target, the descriptions were exactly what we saw - they'd make X's in the sky, and tic-tac-toe boards - it was very weird. We're in Florida now and we still see it - but no where near as much as in Virginia. Thank you and your church for providing that sight.

Welcome, again. I'm looking forward to more of your posts!

God Bless

Barbara

[Soldier4Christ]

It was just noted that many of these subjects pointed out on this web site originate with articles and videos by Alex Jones. Alex Jones puts out a lot of information that is totally false. i.e. the House Bill HR 2977 that is mentioned is a fabrication. House Bill HR 2977 became Public Law No: 109-252 which is "to designate the facility of the United States Postal Service located at 306 2nd Avenue in Brockway, Montana, as the Paul Kasten Post Office Building." (reference: Library of Congress) The chemtrail conspiracy started was out a very long time ago by conspiracist individuals such as Art Bell and Jeff Rense.

"The "Chemtrail" hoax has been investigated and refuted by many established and accredited universities, scientific organizations, and major media publications.". They answer each claim in the theory:

    * Contrails can remain visible for very long periods of time with the lifetime a function of the temperature, humidity, winds, and aircraft exhaust characteristics.
    * Contrails can form many shapes as they are dispersed by horizontal and vertical wind shear.
    * Sunlight refracted or reflected from contrails can produce vibrant and eye-catching colors and patterns.
    * Observation and scientific analysis of contrails and their duration date back to at least 1953.
    * The National Airspace System of the United States is oriented in an east-west and north-south grid with aircraft flying at designated 2000-foot increments of elevation (1000 feet after the introduction of Reduced Vertical Separation Minima in 2002-2004).
    * Contrails formed by aircraft may appear to form a grid as the winds disperse the contrails.
    * More contrails are seen in recent years due to the growth in the civil aviation market.


Many of the other Alex Jones articles may contain a little truth such as the "Black Helicopters in Denver". Buckley Air Force Base is located in the Denver area and is always having Military aircraft fly over. Recent drills have been enacted in various cities across the nation in conjunction with local law enforcement in preparation regarding the recent terrorist threats made to the U.S. In no manner has Military personell been asked if they would "kill Americans". This is all false liberal conspiracies.

These things are nothing more than "Bush was behind 9/11" garbage.

[Barbara]

Now that's really interesting Pastor Roger!! Thanks for that info.

There seems to be alot of attention being drawn to this phenomena. We did see a lecture by Dr. Nick Begich, a Christian, with immpecable credentials. ( I don't know much about Alex Jones.)

Anyway, Dr. Begich's father was a state Senator and later a US Congressman, he has a Doctorate in Traditional Complementary Medicines, his area in that field is electro physiology which is the effect of all magnetic fields on the human body, which is what attracted him to the fields of radio frequency radiation, electromagnetic pulse, extremely low frequency lasers, chemicals, and weather control.

He says there's a variety of new technology, a variety of technologies that people need to be aware of, that really are the new direction in which wars will be fought. He talked about some alarming information on chemtrails and HAARP in particular.

We also saw a film from a German news station and an NBC station in this country. Here's what they said:

Germany:

"What are these mysterious trails, and what is their purpose? We will try to find out...

Reporter: The military planes of the German Federal Army are manipulating our climate; this is what the weather researchers are presuming and their suspicions are confirmed.
Sinister clouds up to 350 km long appear all of the sudden on the radar, but only on the meteorological radars. The first time it happened was in the summer of 2005. The German army has admitted having war exercises towards the borders with the Netherlands. For Karsten Brandt, mereorologist, this is the answer to the enigma: 'The federal army is manipulating the meteorological maps. We can state with 97% certainty that we have on our hands chemical trails (chemtrails) comprised of fine dust containing polymers and metals, used to disrupt radar signals.

This is their main purpose, but I was surprised that this artificial cloud was so widespread. The radar images are stunning considering the needed tons of dispersed elements. Although the federal army claims that only small amounts of materials were propogated, the military heads claim that the substances are not harmful. The registers report emissions of chemtrails at low altitudes.

In the US there's protest after protest for many years now against these military operations, and now people are mobilising in Germany as well. Per example Johannes Remmel of the Greens, 'It is obvious that enormous regions are being polluted with clandestine actions, but all of this has to be made public. The government must provide explanations to the unsuspecting public.'

'From our observations we can conclude that they fly over the regions of Westfalia, Biellefield, and Ruhr zone to Saxony and Hamburg, forming a relly dense layer of artificial cloud cover', says Karsten Brandt.

After the first discovery, Karsten Brandt has filed a legal charge against unknowns for weather manipulation, based on his careful verifications and data gathered by radar through which he documented every anamolous cloud formation."


This is from NBC:

Tonight the community in the San Bernadino mountains has a mystery on it's hands.  The official explanation here is that jet contrails are causing strange lines in the sky and that it's pollen is making people sick on the ground. But others are convinces it is something else and they ask, 'Is the government experimenting with our weather?'

Reporter and witness: 'There was a huge dust cloud.' Long time Cedar Glen resident Gretchen Sherman, says she has never seen anything like it. 'The cloud covered the entire Cedar Glen area.' The cloud of dust, leaving a sticky yellow slime was all over her car.
It happened again last February and calls began flooding in to the local Alpenhorn newspaper. 'They had a tremendous upsurge of children that were not going to school at that time,' says Dennis LaBidie, of the Alpenhorn newspaper.

Local pharmacist Ed Burrows says, It is the most mysterious illness he's seen in 22 years on the mountain. 'Alot of eye infection problems, upper respiratory problems, nosebleeds...' The nearby Airforce Base said it didn't come from them, others said it was a pollen cloud. The Dept. of Health said it found residue on a tissue which was submitted for testing but, quote ...There was no sign of any biological form...the test was labled inconclusive. It wasn't long before things ballooned into a sky high mystery.

The story is not just here in Crestline and the alleged yellow cloud. People say the government is up there in airplanes spraying all kinds of chemicals to change or manipulate the weather, leaving what is called 'chemtrails'.
Reporter: 'So when I look up there and I see what I might call contrails, you're telling me are chemtrails?

Laura Kelly, Alpenhorn News: Yes, the contrail would be dissapated by now.

Reporter: Chemtrails. On the internet they are cited as proof of the government producing clouds to combat global warming. In response the airforce says that, "There is no such thing as a chemtrail - the actual contrails are a safe and natural phenomenon."

Professor Gregory Benford of UC Irvine, works with the Dept. of Energy on weather research. Looking at the marks left behind a jet he says, 'That's very odd. They could be very large contrails...' He says the DOE doesn't know anything about  jets spraying chemicals to affect the weather. However, he says we will see it in the near future. 'You've got to, in a sense, engineer these things, so you'll get the right kind of clouds for the effect you want...

Reporter: It is called geo-engineering - fighting global warming by putting a chemical dust in the atmosphere and reflecting harmful radiation back into space.

Benford: "You can use barium oxide, for example, which makes big fluffy clouds, or you can use tiny little bits of aluminum which is benign in the environment, and essentially manage the climate."

Rosalind Peterson, Calif. Skywatch, "What I found was unusual spiking since the early 1990's, in Barium, Aluminum..."

Reporter: Rosalind Peterson, of Calif. Skywatch says the says Health Dept. records show sharp increase in Barium and aluminum - both chemicals, in the water supply of Northern California, dating from the time the huge contrails began appearing over her home in Mendicino Cty.

Reporter: What's the significance of the barium and aluminum?

Peterson: "Well, I went and got all the tests, and all of them were way up over the federal standards. And so it had to be airborne, because how could it get to such diverse regions of our county. We have jets going in every direction. X's - east, west, north, south...there is something going on in the air - I don't know exactly what it is but I think there's some experimentation...

Reporter: Is is legal?

Peteson: "I don't know because we haven't had a public discussion..."

Reporter: But what is unknown today may be actual fact tomorrow, thanks to a bill, soon to be voted on in the US Senate - a Weather Modification Act, calling for research in "attempting to change or control by artificial methods, the natural development of atmospheric cloud forms."

Reporter: Doesn't it seem to you that they're gonna be doing it in the future for sure?

Peterson: "Yes, and if they are, I wanna know about it..."

For more information on the Weather Modification Proposals, check on our website NBC4.TV


Dr. Begich supports the fact that these are developments and experimentations. Some very interesting information. Even scientists like Begich do not like it.

 

[Soldier4Christ]

I don't know anything of Dr Begich. I do know that at one time a number of years ago that the government did experiment with seeding clouds in order to control the weather. It was abandoned a long time ago also as it was proven to be ineffective in accomplishing what they wanted to do. The Military does have a system that they can employ that makes some guided missiles ineffective. It confuses the missiles and makes them miss their target. Again this is not used often as it is expensive and not effective on a large scale nor is it effective on the newer technology. I usually keep updated on new Military technology including that which is not "out" yet. My time in the Military has given me an interest in this area.

Is it possible to employ chemical or biological weapons by jets? Yes, but it would require a much larger concentration than is permitted by just contrails. Even those "wide contrails that last a long time" are not sufficient enough. By the time they get to the level of earth they become so dispersed that they are ineffective. There is more effective ways such as those that were employed by Saddam Hussein against the Kurds and he is rumored to have used during Desert Storm.

[Barbara]

Pastor Roger, you'd probably really like Begich then. He's Christian, very scientific, but explains things in a way that laymen can understand. The use of the ionosphere for HAARP becomes clear when he explains how the ionosphere can be manipulated by this program. Extremely interesting - especially when you're interested in military technology!

What did you hear about what Sadam used against the Kurds and in Desert Storm? Were you there? My brother-in-law was about to be deployed when that war ended, Thank God. I'd be interested in hearing more...

God Bless

Barbara

[Soldier4Christ]

Yes, I was in Desert Storm. Much of my health problems are attributed to being there. The chemicals that Saddam used against the Kurds is fairly well documented on the internet. As for him using anything during Desert storm, it is just rumor and nothing that has been substantiated. Some soldiers from Desert Storm suffer various problems that have been attributed to various things such as depleted uranium and an anthrax shot that was given to us. Again all this is just speculation, it is nothing more than speculation and some of it is just conspiracy theories. All I know is that the ailments that I and many other Soldiers suffer from is real and did not exist prior to that war.

I read a little bit of Dr Begich's web site. I am well learned in RF theory. I was a Radioman in the Navy so RF, magnetic fields, ionosphere anomalies and electricity is a major area of my professional training. I haven't read enough of his writings on this yet to make a determination of what he is saying as being substantiated or not. I will take the time later to do so when I have a few moments and will post what I find.

[Soldier4Christ]

The main technology that Dr Begich speaks of was investigated by both Russia and the U.S. This technology is based on the old Tesla Coil that has been modified using solid state technology. Russia and the U.S. abandoned this research a long time ago. The idea was to shoot an artificially made "lightening bolt" at a designated target to make it unusuable or to design a system that could control the weather.

The original Tesla Coil could only successfully shoot a spark a few inches in distance. The Tesla Coil was invented by Nikola Tesla, a genius in electricity in some ways. He did invent the most popular used electric motor of today.  His experiments on this particular one caused a major power outage, killed numerous wildlife in the area that was in contact with the ground as well as all the grass around his home. His home lit up with a blue corona Most people are familiar with this coil in the devices that we see that shoots electricity around the inside of a glass ball that kids love to play with. If a person puts their finger on the outside of the ball the light goes toward their finger.

When this coil was modified to shoot it further the spark would take the path of least resistance as electricity is prone to do just as it does in the glass ball. A 17 inch spark requires a 10,000 Volt, 60 Hz energy supply. Frequently the path of least resistance was the person employing this technology. Sort of like shooting oneself in the foot even though you are aiming the weapon at someone else. Under almost all circumstances it would hit another target other than the one intended. It was determined that the use of EMF created by exploding a bomb in the air above the enemy was more effective and more realistic and definitely more destructive. Even this technology is not a good means as the means to protect against such EMF is so easy to do.