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« on: May 27, 2008, 04:27:27 PM »

In the course of my studies, I'd have to conclusively state that YES; America IS a Christian Nation:

"When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them...."

"...We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

- The Declaration of Independence, IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776.
http://gunshowonthenet.com/DecofInd.htm

“Afforded us by God & Nature”
http://gunshowonthenet.com/2ALEGAL/AffordedGodNature.html

“Agreed to found our Rights upon the Laws of Nature....”
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Commandments
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GOD IN AMERICA
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GOD IN AMERICA II
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Original Intent
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The Massachusetts Body of Liberties, 1641
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'The Rights of the Colonists', (actual title; 'The Report of the Committee of Correspondence to the Boston Town Meeting'), dated Nov. 20, 1772.
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“...Which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them..."
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« Reply #1 on: May 27, 2008, 06:53:16 PM »

I must say that America has been a Christian nation from the very start. As with all things that are of Christ it is under attack. There are many that are attempting to change it into somthing completely different. I praise God that there are still many godly people that are working so diligently to keep the word of God in the public.

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« Reply #2 on: May 27, 2008, 08:49:01 PM »

Brothers,

I would also answer YES - America is still a Christian nation.

However, all of us should be aware of a long list of big problems and many turning their backs on GOD. I am firmly convinced that GOD has richly blessed this nation in countless ways. NOW, I wonder if we deserve HIS continued blessing.

There are many other things to consider - one being that we might be having a preview of the End Days of this Age of Grace. If so, things will get much worse as the Tribulation Period is ushered in. This is Bible Prophecy and is a Promise from GOD, so I know that it will happen at HIS Appointed Time. I believe that the CHURCH WHICH IS THE BODY OF CHRIST will be RAPTURED prior to the beginning of the Tribulation Period, but I realize that many have good reasons to believe differently. Regardless of whether Christians are still on this earth or not, the Tribulation Period will involve evil and horror beyond human imagination. We haven't seen evil running rampant yet, but it will during the Tribulation Period, and nothing will be able to stop it except the SECOND COMING OF CHRIST at the end of the Tribulation Period.

Many of us are old enough to say that we would never have dreamed we would see some of the things we are commonly seeing today. Forty or fifty years ago, we would have called someone CRAZY if they suggested some of the common things we see today. At this point, things appear to be escalating so quickly that we really don't have time to be shocked any longer.

If these are the End Days of this Age of Grace, no power in the universe will be able to stop it, slow it, or hasten it. As Christians, I think we should simply pray for strength and courage to continue in GOD'S Will - whatever it may be - big or small. If Christians remain on the earth for some or all of the Tribulation Period, many of us will face either rejecting Christ or being beheaded. It's important to note that persecution, beating, imprisonment, and killing of Christians is increasing around the world RIGHT NOW. CHRIST is WORTHY, so I doubt that Christians will ever sit down and be quiet.

In conclusion, I'll just say that I wish we were still a STRONG Christian Nation. If we're here long enough, maybe we can turn things around. On the other side of the coin is a time of GOD'S RIGHTEOUS WRATH and it being TOO LATE! In the meantime, we can pray and keep trying. Most of all, we can ask GOD to use us however HE will.


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« Reply #3 on: May 28, 2008, 01:11:02 AM »

Brothers,

I would also answer YES - America is still a Christian nation.

However, all of us should be aware of a long list of big problems and many turning their backs on GOD. I am firmly convinced that GOD has richly blessed this nation in countless ways. NOW, I wonder if we deserve HIS continued blessing. ....

...Love In Christ,
Tom

   

Amen brother.

Revelation
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17:001 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven
           vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will
           shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth
           upon many waters
:

17:002 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.

17:003 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I
           saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names
           of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

17:004 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and
           decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a
           golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of
           her fornication:

17:005 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

17:006 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and
           with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I
           wondered with great admiration.

17:007 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I
           will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that
           carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.

17:008 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend
           out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they
           that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not
           written in the book of life from the foundation of the world,
           when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

17:009 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are
           seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

17:010 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and
           the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must
           continue a short space.

17:011 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and
           is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

17:012 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have
           received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one
           hour with the beast.

17:013 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength
           unto the beast.

17:014 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall
           overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and
           they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

17:015 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

17:016 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these
           shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked,
           and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire
.

17:017 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to
           agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words
           of God shall be fulfilled.

17:018 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which
           reigneth over the kings of the earth. (N.Y.C. - United Nations?)

18:001 And after these things I saw another angel come down from
           heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with
           his glory.

18:002 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the
           great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of
           devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every
           unclean and hateful bird.

18:003 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her
           fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed
           fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed
           rich through the abundance of her delicacies.

18:004 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of
           her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that
           ye receive not of her plagues
.

18:005 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.

18:006 Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her
           double according to her works: in the cup which she hath
           filled fill to her double.

18:007 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so
           much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart,
           I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.

18:008 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and
           mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with
           fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her
.

18:009 And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and
           lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for
           her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,

18:010 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas,
           alas that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one
           hour is thy judgment come.

18:011 And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:

18:012 The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and
           of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet,
           and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all
           manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron,
           and marble,

18:013 And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men.

(N.Y. Stock Exchange?)

18:014 And the fruits that thy soul lusted after are departed from
           thee, and all things which were dainty and goodly are departed
           from thee, and thou shalt find them no more at all.

18:015 The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her,
           shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and
           wailing,

18:016 And saying, Alas, alas that great city, that was clothed in
           fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and
           precious stones, and pearls!

18:017 For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every
           shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as
           many as trade by sea, stood afar off,

18:018 And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city!

18:019 And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and
           wailing, saying, Alas, alas that great city, wherein were made
           rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her
           costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.

18:020 Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and
           prophets; for God hath avenged you on her....
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« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2008, 05:32:26 PM »

I must say that I don't believe that America was ever a CHRISTIAN nation. It was founded on Christian principles and beliefs, but to call it a Christian nation is ridiculous in my opinion--especially in this age of homosexual marriages, abortion on demand to get rid of unwanted babies, God's word and prayer being removed from schools and public buildings, and laws being made to protect homosexuals in their sinful lifestyle. Then there is the rampant crime, prostitution, raging drug use by all ages and by rich and poor. There is also the wickedness of using innocent children as sex objects and in porn movies. No, this is not a Christian nation. It's a nation that is fast turning its back on God and accepting all manner of wickedness as normal.
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« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2008, 06:10:33 PM »

I must say that I don't believe that America was ever a CHRISTIAN nation. It was founded on Christian principles and beliefs, but to call it a Christian nation is ridiculous in my opinion--especially in this age of homosexual marriages, abortion on demand to get rid of unwanted babies, God's word and prayer being removed from schools and public buildings, and laws being made to protect homosexuals in their sinful lifestyle. Then there is the rampant crime, prostitution, raging drug use by all ages and by rich and poor. There is also the wickedness of using innocent children as sex objects and in porn movies. No, this is not a Christian nation. It's a nation that is fast turning its back on God and accepting all manner of wickedness as normal.

Hello Jon-Marc,

The PERVERSIONS you mention are recent and have nothing to do with the America that was. In fact, these PERVERSIONS would have been dealt with HARSHLY just a few short years ago. Much of what you mentioned involve FELONY CRIMES that were strictly enforced just a few short years ago. "FELONY" indicates serious crime that would involve prison. Many of these felony laws are still on the books, but court injunctions have been put in place to prevent their enforcement. Most of the PERVERSIONS you mention were absolute taboos until just the last few years. As an example:  behavior associated with alternative lifestyles was a FELONY CRIME that was strictly enforced up until just a few short years ago. Many of the things you mention are still FELONY CRIMES that are strictly enforced. What we are seeing today doesn't even resemble our country just 30 years ago. If a significant number of people like our founders were in existence, they would be ready to fight another revolution. They did found a Christian nation for a Christian people. It isn't their fault that their dreams have been recently devoured by the devil. ALL CHRISTIANS SHOULD SHARE THE DISGUST WITH WHAT WE SEE HAPPENING TODAY!
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« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2008, 07:16:00 PM »

Amen! It was one of our founding fathers (John Adams) that said, "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."

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« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2008, 12:04:28 AM »

Amen! It was one of our founding fathers (John Adams) that said, "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."

Aye, in addition to:

"One great advantage of the Christian religion is that it brings the great principle of the law of nature and nations--Love your neighbor as yourself, and do to others as you would that others should do to you,--to the knowledge, belief, and veneration of the whole people. Children, servants, women, and men, are all professors in the science of public and private morality. No other institution for education, no kind of political discipline, could diffuse this kind of necessary information, so universally among all ranks and descriptions of citizens. The duties and rights of the man and the citizen are thus taught from early infancy to every creature. The sanctions of a future life are thus added to the observance of civil and political, as well as domestic and private duties. Prudence, justice, temperance, and fortitude, are thus taught to be the means and conditions of future as well as present happiness."

- John Adams, Dairy entry dated August 14, 1796. [John Adams diary 46, various loose folded sheets, 6 August 1787 - 10 September 1796 (with gaps), 2 July - 21 August 1804. Adams Family Papers on The Massachusetts Historical Society website.]
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« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2008, 02:03:21 AM »

Hello GunShowOnTheNet,

Thanks!

There's still a mountain of like information that's currently being withheld from our school children. REAL HISTORY is quite interesting, and the powers of darkness are trying to hide it.
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Hello GunShowOnTheNet,

Thanks!

There's still a mountain of like information that's currently being withheld from our school children. REAL HISTORY is quite interesting, and the powers of darkness are trying to hide it.

You are most welcome brother. That currently being the case, concernng the obvious attempt of our hired servants to bury the TRUTH. Then, it only makes plain common sense for the Children of Light to dispel the darkness. And, the only Way of accomplishing that is to SHOUT the Truth, from the roof-tops if necessary. The Truth will ALWAYS win....
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« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2008, 08:14:53 PM »

I'll give thanks that there are still many parents and grandparents who are trying to bring our children up in the nurture and admonition of the LORD. Many Christians are also trying to support homeschoolers with outstanding Christian materials.

I was just thinking back to the old and simple basics that were in place for many years:

The New England Primer

Isaac Watts Hymnal

THE HOLY BIBLE!

It's sad that many people don't know much about our lengthy history UNDER GOD. We were not ashamed of the GOSPEL OF THE GRACE OF GOD. It was the foundation in many ways, and I'm firmly convinced that GOD Blessed us because of our priorities for HIM. Anything like those days are gone until after THE SECOND COMING OF CHRIST. Many people don't know about this either - or they don't believe it. The DAY OF THE LORD will come, and the entire world will know about it - BUT IT WILL BE TOO LATE FOR THOSE WHO HAVE REJECTED JESUS CHRIST. I believe that the time is growing short as we speak.


GOOD NEWS!

1:  Romans 3:10 NASB  as it is written, "THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NOT EVEN ONE; THERE IS NONE WHO UNDERSTANDS, THERE IS NONE WHO SEEKS FOR GOD; ALL HAVE TURNED ASIDE, TOGETHER THEY HAVE BECOME USELESS; THERE IS NONE WHO DOES GOOD, THERE IS NOT EVEN ONE."

2:  Romans 3:23  NASB  for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

3:  Romans 5:12  NASB  Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned--

4:  Romans 6:23  NASB  For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

5:  Romans 1:18  NASB  For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,

6:  Romans 3:20  NASB  because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin.

7:  Romans 3:27  NASB  Where then is boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? Of works? No, but by a law of faith.

8:  Romans 5:8-9  NASB  But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him.

9:  Romans 2:4  NASB  Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance?

10:  Romans 3:22  NASB  even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction;

11:  Romans 3:28  NASB  For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.

12:  Romans 10:9  NASB  that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;

13:  Romans 4:21  NASB  and being fully assured that what God had promised, He was able also to perform.

14:  Romans 4:24 NASB  but for our sake also, to whom it will be credited, as those who believe in Him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead,

15:  Romans 5:1  NASB  Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,

16:  Romans 10:10  NASB  for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.

17:  Romans 10:13  NASB  for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED."


Thanks be unto GOD for HIS unspeakable GIFT!, JESUS CHRIST, our Lord and Saviour forever!
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« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2008, 10:53:42 PM »

I'll give thanks that there are still many parents and grandparents who are trying to bring our children up in the nurture and admonition of the LORD. Many Christians are also trying to support homeschoolers with outstanding Christian materials.

I was just thinking back to the old and simple basics that were in place for many years:

The New England Primer

Isaac Watts Hymnal

THE HOLY BIBLE!

It's sad that many people don't know much about our lengthy history UNDER GOD. We were not ashamed of the GOSPEL OF THE GRACE OF GOD. It was the foundation in many ways, and I'm firmly convinced that GOD Blessed us because of our priorities for HIM. Anything like those days are gone until after THE SECOND COMING OF CHRIST. Many people don't know about this either - or they don't believe it. The DAY OF THE LORD will come, and the entire world will know about it - BUT IT WILL BE TOO LATE FOR THOSE WHO HAVE REJECTED JESUS CHRIST. I believe that the time is growing short as we speak.


GOOD NEWS!

1:  Romans 3:10 NASB  as it is written, "THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NOT EVEN ONE; THERE IS NONE WHO UNDERSTANDS, THERE IS NONE WHO SEEKS FOR GOD; ALL HAVE TURNED ASIDE, TOGETHER THEY HAVE BECOME USELESS; THERE IS NONE WHO DOES GOOD, THERE IS NOT EVEN ONE."

2:  Romans 3:23  NASB  for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

3:  Romans 5:12  NASB  Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned--

4:  Romans 6:23  NASB  For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

5:  Romans 1:18  NASB  For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,

6:  Romans 3:20  NASB  because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin.

7:  Romans 3:27  NASB  Where then is boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? Of works? No, but by a law of faith.

8:  Romans 5:8-9  NASB  But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him.

9:  Romans 2:4  NASB  Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance?

10:  Romans 3:22  NASB  even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction;

11:  Romans 3:28  NASB  For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.

12:  Romans 10:9  NASB  that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;

13:  Romans 4:21  NASB  and being fully assured that what God had promised, He was able also to perform.

14:  Romans 4:24 NASB  but for our sake also, to whom it will be credited, as those who believe in Him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead,

15:  Romans 5:1  NASB  Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,

16:  Romans 10:10  NASB  for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.

17:  Romans 10:13  NASB  for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED."


Thanks be unto GOD for HIS unspeakable GIFT!, JESUS CHRIST, our Lord and Saviour forever!

Amen, and Amen.
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« Reply #12 on: June 04, 2008, 03:18:52 PM »

"Some time in the early part of the war a clergy man said in his presence that he "hoped the Lord was on our side.' "I am not at all concerned about that," replied Mr. Lincoln. 'For I know that the Lord is always on the side of the right, but it is my constant anxiety and prayer that I and this nation should be on the Lord's side.' "

This is where many make their mistake ... asking for God's blessings and for God to be on their side instead of the other way around.

May we all bless God and ask for continued strength in doing HIS work.

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