Liberal - Conservative

[Ambassador4Christ]

My answer was Conservative - Hard Line  
Reason: I am not in the Roman catholic religion

Brother Love

I am still ROFLOL over this one

[Symphony]

We already covered this, Why are you saying it again? Only this time, you make Jesus sound like a Zen master instead of the Christ. That is how things like “rapture” got started, some one put words in Jesus’ mouth. You are putting words in Jesus’ mouth. We are to obey the Governing Authority. That is the Authority that God put here in this Earth to be over you. Why would the other Authors of the New testament be telling us the Government is placed here by God, if Jesus told them the Government was evil.

You’ve been listening to Rage Against the Machine to much, Sym. Give Sapph his CD's back lol j/k


Thank you, Tibby.  

No, actually, I don't believe anywhere did I say to disobey Caesar, or that Jesus says or even implies that.

I said, or Jesus implied, that we obey Caesar out of coercion.

Jesus was illustrating, by implication, the difference between His kingdom, and worldly ones.

Jesus' Kingdom is not one of coercion(that's what "Christmas", for instance, is all about--the "giving" of gifts--freely, b/c you want to.  that's Jesus' Kingdom.  B/c you want to(the three wisemen, with their frankencense and myrrh, 'cuz they wanted to  .).  Or, at least, while we are yet here on Earth, His is not one of coercion(yes, in the final analysis, "every knee shall bow", whether we want to or not, in the end...).


   

[Tibby]

I don’t see how Taxes is Coercion Running a country costs money. Those who live in the country should help cover the cost of safely and welfare.

[nChrist]

I don’t see how Taxes is Coercion Running a country costs money. Those who live in the country should help cover the cost of safely and welfare.

Oklahoma Howdy to Brother Tibby,

  Stop paying those taxes and tell us how long it is before the IRS changes your mind.

In Christ,
Tom

[Willowbirch]

How did Jesus answer this very question from the Pharisees?  Jesus replied, "Render unto Caesar, what is Caesar's", thereby implying that very reality, "coercion"(Caesar by defnition was "coercion", that is, a slave state.  Rome was built on the backs of slave labor).

I respectfully, but COMPLETELY disagree with that interpretation of that verse.  I believe Jesus wasn’t implying a thing, he said what he said, which was “Pay your taxes.”

I certainly could agree with this.

In response to Symph's statement about "What is Ceasar's? Nothing..." The question that was posed to Jesus was an attempt to trap him. They wanted him to enter into a political debate over who was king: Ceasar or God?

While I agree that, in the big picture, Ceasar truly has nothing, and all belongs to God - I would say that the Lord commands us to respect authority, and if we must pay taxes, then we should do it, not only because Law demands it, but because God does.

I do think that Jesus was "implying" something - but it wasn't the reality that Ceasar was a wicked dude. It was a lesson in obedience; after all, God is the One who sets up authorities.

Not that we must always obey the governemnt, either, since it is "better to obey God than man"; but wherever we are capable of obedience, and our actions will not grieve the Holy Spirit, we must submit.

[Symphony]

Oh alright, willow, tibby.





   


   

[michael_legna]

Yes, I know.  This is the frequent refrain used to justify many governments, including the coming global one, on many different levels.

I know this is a slippery slope but not everything that looks like a New World Order is of the NWO.  Not that a little paranoia is a bad thing.  

But it's answer--that is, "social programs", by necessity, or by definition, implies coercion.  I.e., how do we finance these programs?  Revenues.  How do we finance revenues?  Taxes. How do we collect taxes?   Yes, the IRS tells us ours is a voluntary tax system.  

I agree if we were living in a God fearing country, but unfortunately those days are behind us, so lets tax the godless capitalists to death.  

I would prefer a graduated income tax, something where if you make over a million a year you pay 90% in taxes with no loop holes.  (No one needs that much money)  But unfortunately I am not in charge.  

The quote on this topic I've heard goes something like this:  

"A liberal is someone who gives away other peoples' money.

"A conservative is someone who gives away his own money."

Actually that quote goes....

A liberal is someone who gives away other peoples' money.

A conservative is some who doesn't give away his own money.

... and there lies the problem.   If we went back to the system of relying on cheerful givers we would not get near enough money coming in.

In light of the season it should be mentioned that Ebenezer Scrooge was a conservative.

[Tibby]

Scroog was Hardline-conservative. And a Fundie, I might add.

Personally, I like Bush’s new Consumer Tax plan. I think it will bring in more money for the Government, and show American’s how much comfort we an live without!