Education

[Petro]

MNy kids are grtown up, but I live on the west coast.

Secondary school here consists of 6th, 7th, 8th grade, some refer to it as middle school, on the other hand Preparatory, would be the equivqalent of High School, which would be 9th thru 12th...

Kids begion school out here at age 4.5  or 5 yrs old, depending on their birthday it would make them 9 years or older by grade six, eleven by grade eighth.

Petro

So wow then, your kids graduated by the time the were 15 huh?

5= Kindergarten 6=1st 7=2nd 8=3rd 9=4th 10=5th.  Depending on your birthday you could start as late as 6 this makes you 17-18 years old upon graduation.  There are no 15 year old graduates as an average.  If your kids were 11 in 8th grade they would be 15 when they graduated.  I think you got a little confused there.

s4e

Without getting into an argument about this, in this day and age, many young people graduate from high school at a much younger age, there are some school districts in our region where schools are year around classes.

I graduated from high school, three months after turning 17, and that was over 30 years ago, in my class, three others were 16 years of age, I still communicate with one of them, and even kid each other over our ages from time to time.

It is not as rare as you make it to be...perhaps you simply never heard of this.

I remmenber going to school with a 20 year old fellow, who had to shave every day, cause he had a five o clock shadow, big deal, actually it was then, but had it not been for this conversation weith you,  I probably would have never remembered this ever again..  


Petro

[Jabez]

"The unscrupulous clerk has $2.00 in his pocket of the total paid originally by the three men, add to this to the total sum of $ 27.00 (which is the sum total of 3 x $9.00) and you have $29.00.

Please answer the following question;

What happened to the missing $1.00??

Since initially they paid a sum total of $30.00."

I beleive i have it but ill wait for who the qeustion was intended for..

[Petro]

"The unscrupulous clerk has $2.00 in his pocket of the total paid originally by the three men, add to this to the total sum of $ 27.00 (which is the sum total of 3 x $9.00) and you have $29.00.

Please answer the following question;

What happened to the missing $1.00??

Since initially they paid a sum total of $30.00."

I beleive i have it but ill wait for who the qeustion was intended for..

jabez,

Great,

I beleive i have it but ill wait for who the qeustion was intended for..

Good idea, give her a chance to work out the answer.

Boy, I will be real disappointed to here there isn't one missing....when clearly the math proves there is.

Petro

[ebia]

While traveling cross country three men, who had been camping along the way, arrived in a small town and decided to rent a room in the local hotel, for a nights stay.

Upon registering and paying a a total of $10.00 dollars each for the nights stay, the clerk gave them the key to the room which  was on the second floor.

As the men climbed the stairway to their room, the owner entered and asked the clerk if the travelers were  local residents, upon learning they were strangers passin through, the owner of the hotel instructed the clerk to refund the men a total of $5.00 dollars, upon which the clerk opened the drawer and withdrew 5 $1.00 bills.

As he raced to catch up with the strangers, he realized there was no possible way of refunding each man an equal share of the $5.00 refund, so he decided to pocket  2 $1.00 bills and refund each man $1.00, which he did, upon catching them as they entered their room at the end of the second floor hallway.

From the information provided in the story above, it is clear the room was rented for the sum total of $30.00 for the nights stay, and evident that each man contributed $10.00 as his portion to the sum total.  Upon receiving a $1.00 refund each man's contribution was reduced to $9.00,  for the room rental for the nights stay.

The unscrupulous clerk has $2.00 in his pocket of the total paid originally by the three men, add to this to the total sum of $ 27.00 (which is the sum total of 3 x $9.00) and you have $29.00.

Please answer the following question;

What happened to the missing $1.00??

Since initially they paid a sum total of $30.00.

L.O.L.
That old chestnut.  I was expecting at least something I haven't seen a million times before, if not actually challenging.
The sum at the end is, of course entirely spurious, ie there is not sensible reason to add the $2 kept by the clerk to the 3*$9  paid by the men.  Rather, you should be subtracting it, to get $25, which is the amount deposited in the hotel account.

[Petro]

While traveling cross country three men, who had been camping along the way, arrived in a small town and decided to rent a room in the local hotel, for a nights stay.

Upon registering and paying a a total of $10.00 dollars each for the nights stay, the clerk gave them the key to the room which  was on the second floor.

As the men climbed the stairway to their room, the owner entered and asked the clerk if the travelers were  local residents, upon learning they were strangers passin through, the owner of the hotel instructed the clerk to refund the men a total of $5.00 dollars, upon which the clerk opened the drawer and withdrew 5 $1.00 bills.

As he raced to catch up with the strangers, he realized there was no possible way of refunding each man an equal share of the $5.00 refund, so he decided to pocket  2 $1.00 bills and refund each man $1.00, which he did, upon catching them as they entered their room at the end of the second floor hallway.

From the information provided in the story above, it is clear the room was rented for the sum total of $30.00 for the nights stay, and evident that each man contributed $10.00 as his portion to the sum total.  Upon receiving a $1.00 refund each man's contribution was reduced to $9.00,  for the room rental for the nights stay.

The unscrupulous clerk has $2.00 in his pocket of the total paid originally by the three men, add to this to the total sum of $ 27.00 (which is the sum total of 3 x $9.00) and you have $29.00.

Please answer the following question;

What happened to the missing $1.00??

Since initially they paid a sum total of $30.00.

L.O.L.
That old chestnut.  I was expecting at least something I haven't seen a million times before, if not actually challenging.
The sum at the end is, of course entirely spurious, ie there is not sensible reason to add the $2 kept by the clerk to the 3*$9  paid by the men.  Rather, you should be subtracting it, to get $25, which is the amount deposited in the hotel account.

ebia,

So this is your answer??

You look at two mathematical equations 10 + 10 + 10 = 30, and 10 - 1 + 10 -1 + 10 - 1 = 27 + 2 = 29 , in reconciling the same sum total of 30 units of whatever (It doesn't have to be dollars, it could have been oranges),  and your contention is that the answer is 25, while denying there is a difference of 1 between the answers??

This is a half baked answer.

This sounds like the funny math, liberal teachers in this country in some schools are trying to teach youngsters.

The new math of today, doesn't require one get the right answer, just so one can go thru the motions of a futile excercise.

This doesn't surprise me, since from your answers given in some of these threads leaves one scratching their head, perhaps you should change your profession again and become and english teacher.

Petro

[Saved_4ever]

MNy kids are grtown up, but I live on the west coast.

Secondary school here consists of 6th, 7th, 8th grade, some refer to it as middle school, on the other hand Preparatory, would be the equivqalent of High School, which would be 9th thru 12th...

Kids begion school out here at age 4.5  or 5 yrs old, depending on their birthday it would make them 9 years or older by grade six, eleven by grade eighth.

Petro

So wow then, your kids graduated by the time the were 15 huh?

5= Kindergarten 6=1st 7=2nd 8=3rd 9=4th 10=5th.  Depending on your birthday you could start as late as 6 this makes you 17-18 years old upon graduation.  There are no 15 year old graduates as an average.  If your kids were 11 in 8th grade they would be 15 when they graduated.  I think you got a little confused there.

s4e

Without getting into an argument about this, in this day and age, many young people graduate from high school at a much younger age, there are some school districts in our region where schools are year around classes.

I graduated from high school, three months after turning 17, and that was over 30 years ago, in my class, three others were 16 years of age, I still communicate with one of them, and even kid each other over our ages from time to time.

It is not as rare as you make it to be...perhaps you simply never heard of this.

I remmenber going to school with a 20 year old fellow, who had to shave every day, cause he had a five o clock shadow, big deal, actually it was then, but had it not been for this conversation weith you,  I probably would have never remembered this ever again..  


Petro

You still failed to answer my questiopn of how old your child/ren were when they graduated.

Secondly I gave you clear "math" to show you by your own numbers.  

You answer is as good as ebia's as far as I'm concerned.  I had to shave when I was 16, else I had a shadow as well.  So what's your point about shaving anyway?

[Petro]

MNy kids are grtown up, but I live on the west coast.

Secondary school here consists of 6th, 7th, 8th grade, some refer to it as middle school, on the other hand Preparatory, would be the equivqalent of High School, which would be 9th thru 12th...

Kids begion school out here at age 4.5  or 5 yrs old, depending on their birthday it would make them 9 years or older by grade six, eleven by grade eighth.

Petro

So wow then, your kids graduated by the time the were 15 huh?

5= Kindergarten 6=1st 7=2nd 8=3rd 9=4th 10=5th.  Depending on your birthday you could start as late as 6 this makes you 17-18 years old upon graduation.  There are no 15 year old graduates as an average.  If your kids were 11 in 8th grade they would be 15 when they graduated.  I think you got a little confused there.

s4e

Without getting into an argument about this, in this day and age, many young people graduate from high school at a much younger age, there are some school districts in our region where schools are year around classes.

I graduated from high school, three months after turning 17, and that was over 30 years ago, in my class, three others were 16 years of age, I still communicate with one of them, and even kid each other over our ages from time to time.

It is not as rare as you make it to be...perhaps you simply never heard of this.

I remmenber going to school with a 20 year old fellow, who had to shave every day, cause he had a five o clock shadow, big deal, actually it was then, but had it not been for this conversation weith you,  I probably would have never remembered this ever again..  


Petro

You still failed to answer my questiopn of how old your child/ren were when they graduated.

Secondly I gave you clear "math" to show you by your own numbers.  

You answer is as good as ebia's as far as I'm concerned.  I had to shave when I was 16, else I had a shadow as well.  So what's your point about shaving anyway?

S4E,

My daughter was 18, years  old, she started public elementary at the age of 5, my wife started homeschooling our kids when our youngest was 5 years of age, there is a 4 year difference between them, then when she was in the sixth grade, I was badly injured on my job, and we had to put all three of them into public school again, because it was at the end of the year, they did not allow two of them to go into the next grade, anyhow two and half years later, they went back to homeschooling, and then one by one went we started each of them in Christian private high school for their final three years as they entered the 10th grade each, my second and third boy both were 17, when they graduated.  They are two years difference in age.

As for the five o clock shadow, my point is there is a cut off for high school at age twenty, so, there is quite an age disperaity, between student s that apply themselves  and those that just cruise along.


Petro,

[Petro]

You answer is as good as ebia's as far as I'm concerned.  

S4E,

Do you mean you agree with the ebias answer??

Why there is NO substance to her reply same as her response to biblical dialogue.

I find it hard to believe a supposed math teacher would claim to be able to use critical evluation of mathematics to calculate probability, and give an answer  as she did, thinking that ends it.

Allow me to ask you,

How is it you state her answer is good enough, when clearly the math shows that there is a 1 dollar, or unit, it matters little what you want to call it missing.

Mathematical figures and equations are always used to prove Mathematical answers.

When the problem clearly shows these men were out of pocket 30 dollars initially, and then only 27 after receiving a 1 dollar refund each man.  

In reconciling the problem you have these men still out  3 dollars of the 30, of which only 2 can be accounted for.

How is it, there  is 1 dollar unaccounted for ??  Where is it, what happened to it.

You might answer this by saying thats close enough, but, as someone else said herein, close is good enough if you use grenades, but unfortunately, it doesn't hold any water when trying to prove factual truth, and the truth is their is 1 dollar missing.

ebia said;
I'm up for it if you do; it's an area of maths I particularly enjoy

Giving an answer that there is twenty five in the till, is no answer at all, coming from an astute mathetician, who claims to teach.  

It is gibberish to use her own  words.

I would accept such an answer from you, seeing that you haven't made such a claim, but thats not the case here at all.

I don't know about you, but I wouldn't go see such a math instructor to have her help me with my taxes.

Might you be able to give an answer to this problem.

Good day to you,

Petro

[Saved_4ever]

No, I meant you answer wasn't good enough either.

[ebia]

Petro:

If you're serious, you're maths teachers have a lot to answer for.  You can't just pick out any set of numbers from the question and add them, and expect them to come to the same number.

3 x 10 = the amount originally paid by the 3 men.
3 x 10 -5 = the amount left for the hotel after return $5
etc
3 x 9 + 2 = what exactly?  - its a nonsensical sum in the context of the problem.

[nChrist]

I find it hard to believe a supposed math teacher would claim to be able to use critical evaluation of mathematics to calculate probability, and give an answer  as she did, thinking that ends it.

Oklahoma Howdy to Petro,

Math requires logic and skill, especially for the more difficult problems. However, the numbers you used in your sample problem were small. Any math teacher should be able to give you the answer - we'll wait and see.

In Christ,
Tom

[Petro]

Petro:

If you're serious, you're maths teachers have a lot to answer for.  You can't just pick out any set of numbers from the question and add them, and expect them to come to the same number.

3 x 10 = the amount originally paid by the 3 men.
3 x 10 -5 = the amount left for the hotel after return $5
etc
3 x 9 + 2 = what exactly?  - its a nonsensical sum in the context of the problem.

ebia,

What exactly??  Nonsensical, please explain??

9 represents the amount each man is out of pocket, multiply this by 3, because there are three men, and you have 27, which represents the sum total amount all three are out of pocket, the clerk possesess 2 of the three, which  is missing from the original 30 out of pocket total.

It is clear 1 is missing.

Don't ask me for the answer, your the mathematician, didn't you say; you must know (maybe you don't) math is tghe language of God.

You say evolution is a fact, how can you prove it, if you can't even solve this prioblem.

The majority of physcists believe in God, did you know that.

The ones that don't are the ones who can't work out what appear to be illogical.

But math proves and reproves all things.

Petro

[ebia]

I can see only two possibilities here.
1.  This is a wind-up
2.  You are stupid.

The two dollars in the bell-boy's pocket came out of the 27 paid by the three men.  To add it to the 27 is absurd.

At the moment I'm favouring number 1.  Until I see evidence otherwise, I'm not going to continue to post as I have already answered.

[Petro]

I can see only two possibilities here.
1.  This is a wind-up
2.  You are stupid.

The two dollars in the bell-boy's pocket came out of the 27 paid by the three men.  To add it to the 27 is absurd.

At the moment I'm favouring number 1.  Until I see evidence otherwise, I'm not going to continue to post as I have already answered.

ebia,

That is exactly the answer I would expect from soemone like you.

You pride yourself on being wise, and prudent, I am a Mathematician you say, able to calculate numbers and answer probabilities.

You deceive yourself.

Its is illogical that fifty ton airplanes can fly, even that a steel ship can navigate the oceans, you only believe it, because you have seen it with your own eyes, and if you never had, you would give the same answers you have given here, to someone that told you, this metal airplane can fly the skies, and that steel ship can navigate the oceans.

The airplane flies and the steel ship floats because of the numbers who have been worked out by real mathematicians.

But then one has to possess all of their faculties in order to believe this without needing to see it, which is what real mathematicians do.

I suggest, that it is you who is deaf and blind, unable to see the real things that matter and make up the issues of life, and this is the reason why you lack the wherewithall to hear and understand.

What is amazing to me is that we have allowed teachers that fit your profile to teach our kids.

You could never prove evolution nor the probability of it being true, even if you wanted to, because you believe it to be the gospel.

Anyhow I for one, am glad you live in Australia and not here..


Petro

[ebia]

The airplane flies and the steel ship floats because of the numbers who have been worked out by real mathematicians.

If they added up the numbers the way you have above, they'd probably be expecting the ship to fly and the aeroplane to float.  

Anyhow I for one, am glad you live in Australia and not here..

So am I.