Homosexual marriages

[NateyCakes]

All I can say is, if we loose this battle nationally, its all over for America.  My fellow brothers and sisters...its time to get your prayer on as never before!

AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!
I absolutely agree. I think this is appauling!! I am glad we have a President who announced public & nationaly that this marriage is a downfall to society! I am SO glad he denounced it. The homosexual lifestyle is literally being forced down Americas throat! Right into our childrens schools & even churches! Sickening & Sad! Im with 2nd Timothy, on our knees in prayer!!

[FBI78]

Ok I totally think Gay marriages are just WRONG!!!!! Thats a fact it says so in the Bible. About stoning them and killing them that is wrong to cause God will deal with them in His own time. But i think we should stand up against it and pray pray and pray some more.

[Symphony]

amen, FB

[The Crusader]

WOW!!!

As of February 6, 2004

Homosexual marriages are constitutional?
They should be   2 (8%)
YES   2 (8%)
Gays are just like us (normal)   1 (4%)
Maybe   0 (0%)
Who Cares   0 (0%)
no   3 (12%)
NO WAY!   12 (48%)
Sick   5 (20%)
     
Total Votes: 25
 I am with the ones that voted no, NO WAY and SICK.
80%


Who ever the 20% are, they need our prayers.

[ollie]

What do you think about the High Court in the State of Massachusetts decreeing that homosexual marriages are constitutional?

Godless!

Pray for their deliverance from this bondage and that God through Jesus Christ would bring them into the perfect law of liberty.

[Symphony]

"Therefore God sends upon them a strong delusion, to make them believe what is false, so that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness."                                     II Thess. 2:11

[Symphony]

So I'm thinking, in view of the San Francisco's decision two days ago to flaunt their own state law prohibiting gay marriage, by issuing licenses for gay marriage--on into this morning, I believe--Valentine's Day, that...


...in view of San Francisco's decision, and what we knew all along anyway,


that this gay thing isn't about homosexuality at all...

it's about something else much more ambitious...

[JudgeNot]

Symph -
Right.  It is about power.  The same as rape is is not about sex, it is about power.  Some (homosexuals) have a need for power that is so great, they will 'spit in the face of God' in an attempt to say "see - I am powerful!".

[nChrist]

Oklahoma Howdy to Symphony and JudgeNot,

I think that both of you are correct. However, the power they think they are getting is to legislate acceptance by God and by Christians. They will get neither, regardless of what laws are passed. They can call it whatever they wish, but it won't be a Holy bond of marriage recognized by God. Same sex civil unions or whatever else it winds up being called will be recognized by the devil.

Love In Christ,
Tom

[onestarfisher]

I wanted your opinion on something (the Christians only, please!) I posted the following message the other day under Debate, but I think I should have put it here. I want to know what you think? (about what I did below) Is it right? Is it wrong? We're supposed to declare the truth, but how do you do that without "condemning?" And what is the difference between preacing righteousness, as they say Noah did, and exhorting against the evils of the day - and condemnation? I posted the suggestion below in another discussion board, and the homosexuals who wanted to cling to their sin jumped all over me....they clearly want to justify homosexuality, and they kept the few Christians in there busy.....what do you think?

"This is my first post. I have a suggestion. Especially now that the issue has really heated up in Massachusetts. I live in Arizona and this is what I have been doing the last few days….I took a white or light colored T shirt, old or new doesn’t matter, and some permanent makers. You can even buy markers for fabric at Walmart but any permanent will do. Put wax paper inside the shirt while you write.

On the front of the shirt, I printed in giant letters HOMOSEXUALITY  IS  A  SIN  Underneath that I put, Choose Life, Repent, Change and God Loves You in various places.
On the back of the shirt I wrote GAY ‘MARRIAGE’ WILL NEVER BE LEGAL IN GOD’S EYES  -  NEVER  EVER        WAKE  UP
I varied the sizes of the lettering for effect and  colored in some of the letters in the colors of the rainbow and drew a couple of those on there as well.

Then I wore my shirt to some busy places. and into busy stores (without a coat over it!) From people’s response so far, I would say it is a success. Jaws drop. Or people whisper – or ignore. I mean, isn’t it time we spoke up? I’m ready to discuss it with them, though, because I’m no better than they are. We are all sinners who need a savior.

I want to encourage you to go BE  SALT and light in the world. Don’t stay silent. Tell other people, especially people in Massachusetts. Post your successes stories…..

I want to encourage others to try this. There's really nothing store owners or anyone can do because it isn't a placard - it's a t shirt.
And, your topic could be anything, not necessarily this one."

I'm still rethinking it. I thought I would get into more conversations with people, but most people were shocked speechless and most averted their eyes. I saw mouths drop to knees. I don't know that I looked loving, although I was trying to. I have to admit, marching into the Starbucks in the heart of a town run by a gay mayor during the morning rush and only a couple of blocks from City Hall was exhilarating.

Also walked down the street facing traffic, because you can read the printing at least 20 to 40 feet away. After that, it was to the public library. Walked right past 2 cops inside, who never would have let me in with a sign that size. Then off to a busy restaurant where you have to walk around to get to the buffet. The a store with several homosexual employees - they were taking turns walking by to look at the front and back of the shirt. One of the guys asked me about it and I did get a chance to witness a little to him and give him a tract.

[Corpus]

Regarding Legislation...

Homosexuality and Hate Speech
Defending Moral Principles Is Getting Riskier

LONDON, FEB. 14, 2004 (Zenit.org).- Christians defending moral teachings on homosexuality are increasingly running foul of laws that ban any negative statements about the subject. A British Anglican bishop, for instance, who suggested that homosexuals seek psychological counseling was the target of a police investigation, the Telegraph newspaper reported Nov. 10.

Bishop Peter Forster of Chester told a local paper: "Some people who are primarily homosexual can reorientate themselves. I would encourage them to consider that as an option, but I would not set myself up as a medical specialist on the subject -- that's in the area of psychiatric health."

Police investigated the statements and a spokesman said a copy of the article would be sent to the Crown Prosecution Service. Subsequently, the police dropped the case, the Independent newspaper reported Nov. 11.

The matter raised fears about restrictions on defending Christian morality, the British-based Christian Institute explained in its January newsletter. It added that the bishop's position was backed up by a lot of academic research. Even a longtime supporter of homosexual rights, Columbia University professor Robert Spitzer, recently published a study finding that homosexuals could become predominantly heterosexual through psychotherapy, the newsletter observed.

Debate also flared last year in the United Kingdom over whether churches should be allowed to refuse employment to homosexuals. The government finally agreed to add a clause to anti-discrimination legislation giving religious organizations the right to exclude a person on the grounds of sexual orientation, the Sunday Times reported June 1. Still, the Christian Institute warned in its January newsletter that employers must be prepared to argue their case in court.

In Ireland, meanwhile, the Irish Council for Civil Liberties warned the Catholic Church that distributing the Vatican guidelines on same-sex unions could bring prosecution. The document published last July by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith falls foul of the Incitement to Hatred Act, according to sources quoted in the Irish Times on Aug. 2.

"The document itself may not violate the act, but if you were to use the document to say that gays are evil, it is likely to give rise to hatred, which is against the act," said Aisling Reidy, director of the civil-liberties council. Those convicted under the act could face six-month jail terms. Of the Vatican document Reidy said: "The wording is very strong and certainly goes against the spirit of the legislation."

The limits of diversity

On the other side of the Atlantic, December saw a victory for Christians. In Michigan, U.S. District Judge Gerald Rosen upheld the right of a Christian student to express her religious beliefs in opposing homosexuality, reported a Dec. 5 press release by the Thomas More Law Center.

The law center had filed a federal lawsuit on behalf of Betsy Hansen as a result of a dispute over the 2002 Diversity Week program held at the Ann Arbor Pioneer High School. School authorities censored the speech to be given by Hansen, a Catholic, as part of the activities of the "Homosexuality and Religion" panel. Officials claimed that her religious view toward homosexuality was a "negative" message and would "water down" the "positive" religious message that they wanted to convey -- that homosexual behavior is not immoral or sinful.

School officials also only allowed clergy who espoused a pro-homosexual position to take part in the panel, denying Hansen's request to have a panel member who would express the Catholic position on homosexuality.

"This case presents the ironic, and unfortunate, paradox of a public high school celebrating 'diversity' by refusing to permit the presentation to students of an 'unwelcomed' viewpoint on the topic of homosexuality and religion, while actively promoting the competing view," observed Judge Rosen in his decision.

Another case, still to be finalized, involves a Colorado mother who left a lesbian relationship after converting to Christianity in 2000. Cheryl Clark is appealing a ruling by Denver County Circuit Judge John Coughlin to "make sure that there is nothing in the religious upbringing or teaching that the minor child is exposed to that can be considered homophobic," the Washington Times reported Nov. 5.

Her former partner, Elsey McLeod, was awarded joint custody of the child, an 8-year-old girl.

Matthew Staver, president of Liberty Counsel, a public-interest law firm based in Orlando, Florida, has filed a friend-of-the-court brief in the case. He commented that the judge gave no similar orders to McLeod regarding remarks or teaching about Christianity or Christians. "It's a real one-way street on this," Staver said.

Vancouver bishop targeted

Controversy regarding criticism of homosexuals has been increasingly common in Canada. A recent case involves the Archdiocese of Vancouver. The Vancouver Sun reported Sept. 24 that the archdiocese canceled a long-standing partnership with VanCity Credit Union, owing to the fact that the institution actively supports the local gay and lesbian community.

The turning point for Archbishop Adam Exner was an ad campaign by the credit union, featuring a homosexual couple. Consequently the archbishop put an end to a VanCity program operating in four Catholic schools. Under the program, students learned out to save and invest their money and opened savings accounts with the credit union.

A document posted on the archdiocese Web site explained the reasons for the decision. "VanCity in its advertising and by its sponsorship has publicly manifested its support for agendas which are worrisome and harmful to the Church and to society," said the statement signed by Archbishop Exner. "Any cooperation with an organization that publicly supports such agendas appears unacceptable."

The decision drew strong criticism, as Archbishop Exner noted in a letter published Oct. 1 by the Vancouver Sun. When news of the move became public, it "opened the floodgates to letters, e-mails, phone calls and faxes, alleging everything from bigotry to fascism," he said. "I found myself accused of teaching intolerance and hatred of homosexuals -- something contrary to Catholic teaching and my own convictions."

Not-so-free speech

David Bernstein, professor at George Mason University School of Law, addressed the topic of how antidiscrimination laws are creating problems for free speech in his recent book, "You Can't Say That!" Fear of litigation, he observed, "is having a profound chilling effect on the exercise of civil liberties in workplaces, universities, membership organizations, and churches."

Bernstein related how one U.S. Catholic university was beaten down by legal actions into giving full recognition to student homosexual groups. And citing several recent legal cases in Canada, he commented: "Indeed, it has apparently become illegal in Canada to advocate traditional Christian opposition to homosexual sex."

[JudgeNot]

Things have been ‘crazy’ in San Francisco the last few days.  Homosexuals are still lined up (in the rain today) to get “marriage” licenses at City Hall.  Another thing we all knew was coming; homosexuals no longer want to be called homosexual.  It seems the term is too “clinical” for their superiorly diverse mindset.

The link below will take you to a San Francisco Chronicle “news” story outlining the many “diverse” descriptions homosexuals want ‘others’ to use when referring to homosexuals.
I will caution you – even though it was printed in a “family newspaper” I, personally found parts of it offensive.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2004/02/08/MNGKO4RNJP1.DTL

[TigerLily]

*shakes head*
i read part of that article JN and i have to say it makes me tired just trying to make sense of it all, I have to agree with you some is definitly offensive, We had a province in canada that was allowing that to and there were people from all over the stated and canada and other places coming to get  "married"  makes me sick
Ty for sharing JN
TL

[Reba]

Sadly so very sadly i will not go to the City again. I wish my childhood memories to remain imprinted in my vision. The City has gone so depravied i can not pretend i dont see what i see...


Judge next time you walking across the street look at the police markings  painted on the curbs. They have a heavy communistic look to em ... What do you think...

[Gracey]

We had a province in canada that was allowing that

I happen to live in that province. Not only is it sad, it offends God. Thankfully, our church is not required to perform those marriages. but will there come a day when the law says we must?

When we voice our objection to the immorality around us, we are condemned by "society". What is it the bible says about persecution?

2Ti 2:12  If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

2Ti 3:12  Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

1Pe 4:16  Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.

Stand for Christ
Be long suffering

In Christ

Gracey