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« on: November 03, 2003, 02:46:36 PM »

i am trying to define what sin actually is,is it just when man turns away from God and stops trying to please him and go their own way?
is it straight disobedience?
did satan sin,or was he the creator of sin?
did adam sin,or did he open the world up to sin?
where did sin come from,and what defines it?
is there sin without a law?
can only humans of this flesh sin?
can we sin if we're in Christ?

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« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2003, 02:55:45 PM »

 
 1 John 5:17.  All unrighteousness is sin:...........


Romans 1:29.  Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
 30.  Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
 31.  Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
 32.  Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.


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« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2003, 06:30:31 PM »

was adam or eve not capable of sin?
for they had no knowledge of good and evil,so nothing they did was neither good nor evil,were they capable of going against God?
would they even have doubted His word if it wasn't for satan?
is satan sin,or is he the temptation of?
did satan sin,or was he not capable of sin not being human of the flesh?did he create sin,or is he sin,or both?
he tried to tempt Jesus,but Jesus did not give in,but he heard his temptation.
was adam and eve guilty of sin by being tempted by satan and trusting him over God?
are we always in danger of sin when we are not trying to please God?
being forgiven of sin in Christ. are we capable of sinning?

thanks ollie for your reply,you have helped me define sin.
but i'm still not sure of the last one
God bless.
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« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2003, 06:43:36 PM »

Sin is anything contrary to the will of God. While Adam knew what he did wrong because he had a command from God that he violated, it is possible to commit unwitting sin which is still sin, or unwilling sin that occurs out of spiritual weakness. All sin is to be repented of.

P.S. I'm just wondering why you mentioned this in connection with the post you made about my screen name. Thanks
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« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2003, 08:19:44 PM »

thanks whitehorse,so we are capable of sin in Christ but just much more equipped to resist it.
don't really know why i mentioned it on the post about screen names,might be as i am new here,and wasn't sure whether to post the topic and was looking for some sort of aproval.got another topic you might beable to help with,but i'll go and post it under a new topic.
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« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2003, 01:33:57 AM »

Here is about the best way I can describe our relationship to sin after accepting Christ.  

Once we have accepted Christ we are released from the "Penalty" of sin.  Meaning we are forgiven and have been declared Justified before God, by God.  It's more than having the charges dropped against us, but they are wiped from the slate as if they have never happened.

At this time we are also release from the "Power" of sin.  Before Christ, we could help but sin.  We were sinners by nature.  We couldn't help but sin, because we really didn't know what sin was.  We were in the dark.  It takes Light to illuminate the dark.  Without light you cannot see.  Without site, you don't even know you are sinning.  Yes we have a concious, and some would say that is God's way of leading us to Him.  But once we have been saved, we now have the choice not to sin, before ... we didn't have the choice.  Read Romans 6:12 (actually read all of chapter 6 to get a great view on our relationship to sin) ... it says do not "let" sin reign in your body.  What does this imply? .... That we have the power not to.  In Romans 6:6 it says that our body of sin has been done away with.  This does not really describe what the greek work Kataargeao (sp?) really means.  It means more like "disengaged".  Think of it as this ... you are driving your car and it is in first gear.  You do not have the power to change gears.  Then Christ comes over and puts your car in neutral.  That is the spirit of this word.  We are still in the prescence of sin, but he power is not there.  What happens when you give a car gas and it is in neutral?   .... nothing.  That is our state when Christ comes into our heart.  But ... and this is a big but ... we are still in control of our car.  We have every ability to put the gear back into drive.  But who is doing it?   Us!  And this is huge to remember also ... we now have the ability to put it back into neutral.  Before Christ, we didn't have that power.  So ... we have been released from the penalty and the power of sin, but not the precense.  That will come when we get our glorified bodies.

There is one more point I want to make before I leave this subject.  It is also from Romans.  It talks about presenting our bodies to sin or to righteousness.  Let's say you have a car and your pastor comes up and says "I'd like to borrow your car to deliver some food to the homeless."  Then another comes up and says "I'd like to borrow your car to go rob a bank."  Who are you going to give your car keys too.  You have the power!!   You decide.  You decide who to present your car to.  If you haven't figured it out already ... the car is analogeous to your body.  Everday we are presented with choices in how to present our bodies.  It like we have the mental car keys and we decide who will drive out car/body.  The main thing to know is that we know have the power to choose.

To borrow from an old saying ... "Choose wisely"

Grace and Peace to you.
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« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2003, 04:21:34 AM »

     Sin comes from Bow & Arrow shooting & sin means
  "missed the mark".If we stray from He tells us to do,
   we miss the mark.
     There is Sinning against which is talked about most
   of the time,but you can sin against other people too.
      To name some examples of sinning against other
   people out of the 10 Words are Not honoring your          
   parents,lying,murdering,stealing & adultery.
      There are numerous other ways you can sin
   against HaShem,His Son the Messiah & against
   the Ruach HaKodesh(The Holy Spirit) and ,some are
   by sinning against people.Brothers,Sister,parents,
   orphans & widows(true widows),it tells what a true
   widow is in His word.
   

                     In His Love,
                     curious   Cool
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