Christian and Jewish Leaders

[seekingtruth]

I'm wondering what others think regarding my opinion. I believe that the Islamic Terrorists are indeed part of an Islamic movement to create a one world Religion. I also beleive that the attacks and their ideals are essentially a holy war against Christians, Jews and others, In essence attacking our beliefs and our G-d. Therefore I believe that we and our Church and Synagogue leaders should be very active, very vocal, and in essence making sure that everyone understands the what we are up against. The only credit I can give the Terrorists is that they are indeed committed to their Religious beliefs and demonstrate how committed we need to be to stand up against them. If we have faith, we should believe we will win and not let Politics rule every decision.

[Petro]

The only religion that fits a one world religion is Secular Humanisn, and one can find that all peoples of every world religion can be unified on common ground in the tenets of Humanisn Religious or Secular.

This is the religion of the Evolutionists.

http://www.uga.edu/bahai/News/040101-2.html

And there are alot of people who call themselves christians and believe in evolution today, discounting the TRUTH of the Word of God.

2 Th 2

 8  And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9  Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10  And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11  And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:


Petro

[ebia]

I'm wondering what others think regarding my opinion. I believe that the Islamic Terrorists are indeed part of an Islamic movement to create a one world Religion.

I've little doubt that some of the terrorists think like that, but:
a.  Islam is not a centralised religion.  There is no structure for a global Islamic purpose beyond the purposes explicitely directed by the Koran.
b.  The vast majority of the worlds Muslims are decent, peaceable people.

I also beleive that the attacks and their ideals are essentially a holy war against Christians, Jews and others,

More like a war against the West, which is seen as the great oppressor of the poor (Muslim) countries.  The fact that the most significant of the western countries happens to seen as Christian just confuses the issue.

In essence attacking our beliefs and our G-d.

They can't attack your God, because its their God too.  Muslims understand that, even if far too few Christians do.

Therefore I believe that we and our Church and Synagogue leaders should be very active, very vocal, and in essence making sure that everyone understands the what we are up against.

Yes.   A very small number of very dangerous people.  Some of whom happen to be Muslims.

[seekingtruth]

Appreciate responses.

I do have some disagreements and would like clarification.

I don't beleive their G-d is the same G-d as that for Christians and Jews. Our G-d  specifies to test Prophets and use our Bible for the test. If they follow a prophet who goes against what our Bible teaches, then they can not believe in the same G-d. They may believe he is the same but that does not make it so.

Where do you get your facts regarding how many Muslims do not agree with the terrorist activities and why do you discount the parts of the Koran which are not so peaceful ?

The Muslims are actually quite organized worldwide. Just check the Media reports across the world. For example, the PBS in the USA was quite pro Arab/Muslim because of the huge amount of donations which was exposed after 9/11. Check any online posts , check anti-semitism rise and the groups that are pushing it (especially in France). I think you severely underestimate the Muslim's Beliefs and think of them as poor undereducated people.  Majority of them poor but as a whole have lots of hidden funds, many are very intellegent and educated, brainwashing the young is very dangerous for future, etc.

I think there is a real problem amongst Christians in general to look at this as a secular issue and not take sides and defend our religious freedom and really show we believe that out G-d is the true G-d and Creator.Although I have no idea if we are in the End Times or not,  we must still watch the events and be ready. There is a passage that says we will all have to take sides and not be fence sitters as so many of us tend to be. I trust my Creator as he has given me everything and Christians and Jews must make it clear there is a line in the sand and begin speaking out.

[ebia]

I don't beleive their G-d is the same G-d as that for Christians and Jews. Our G-d  specifies to test Prophets and use our Bible for the test. If they follow a prophet who goes against what our Bible teaches, then they can not believe in the same G-d. They may believe he is the same but that does not make it so.

Their God cannot be a different God, because there isn't any other God.  Although they have plenty of the facts wrong about God (assuming we have them right), there is so much we do agree on, that to pretend their God is pure fiction is absurd.  They are clearly worshiping the same God, but have some (in a few cases, pretty major) facts wrong about Him.

If I were to sit down and write an essay on America right now, without doing any additional research, I would probably get a lot of my facts wrong, but I wouldn't be talking about a different America than the one you live in.  (Assuming you live in America.)

Where do you get your facts regarding how many Muslims do not agree with the terrorist activities

Well, I've met a lot of Muslims in Pakistan, quite a lot in Australia, a few in England, and one or two in Dubai, and I've yet to meet one who does agree with the terrorism.   Anyway, what happened to a presumption of innocence.

and why do you discount the parts of the Koran which are not so peaceful ?

Because I also have to discount the parts of the bible that are not so peaceful (eg substantial parts of Joshua).  Or rather, read them in the light of the rest of the book and the religion's understanding of their meaning.

The Muslims are actually quite organized worldwide.

There are organised groups of Muslims.  There is not one, worldwide, large Muslim organisation equivalent to the sort of large organisations that exist within Christianity.  Individual Muslim mosques are all independent - there are no equivalent of churches such as the RCC, the Lutheran Church, the Anglican Communion, the Methodist Church or whatever.

Just check the Media reports across the world. For example, the PBS in the USA was quite pro Arab/Muslim because of the huge amount of donations which was exposed after 9/11.

Which proves what?

Check any online posts , check anti-semitism rise and the groups that are pushing it (especially in France).

I'm English.

I think you severely underestimate the Muslim's Beliefs and think of them as poor undereducated people.

I most certainly do not.  On what do you base this assertion.

Majority of them poor but as a whole have lots of hidden funds, many are very intellegent and educated, brainwashing the young is very dangerous for future, etc.

Muslims are no more guilty of brainwashing their children than Christians.  Raising your children within your religion isn't brainwashing.

I think there is a real problem amongst Christians in general to look at this as a secular issue and not take sides and defend our religious freedom and really show we believe that out G-d is the true G-d and Creator.

Although I have no idea if we are in the End Times or not,  we must still watch the events and be ready. There is a passage that says we will all have to take sides and not be fence sitters as so many of us tend to be. I trust my Creator as he has given me everything and Christians and Jews must make it clear there is a line in the sand and begin speaking out.

Perhaps we do have to speak out sometimes.  But you'd better make sure you are speaking out about the right things in the right way.  Spreading lies, half-truths and hatred is not Christ's way.   Better to keep your mouth shut than speak from ignorance.  Christ's way will triumph, but not that way.

[curious]

The people who are Muslims believe Jesus had a virgin birth,but that was JUST a prophet.
  So they kill you if you speak out against,because they
believe Jesus was a Holy prophet of Allah,a Holy man of
Allah.Not the Son of God like I do,so they kill you if you
speak against Him,but they'll also kill you if you convert
to Christianity.


                     In His Love,
                     curious

[seekingtruth]

To Ebia (Reply 4),

Obviously you are a Muslim and your response proves my point.
Your hatred and intolerance will unfortunately not save your soul.
Also , this is a Christian site , I was writing to Christians not you.

[curious]

   I am NOT a Muslim,but I keep my ears open
to understand what they are about,remember
they say to understand your enemy.How am I
going to study against them,if I don't know what
they believe,and not just somebody's idea of
what they believe.
   That's the WHOLE thing in Apologetics,is to
know what a cult(or worse)believes,so by God's
word &/or help to show them their error.
    I am believer in Jesus as the Son of God.

                          In His Love,
                          curious
                     

[Brother Love]

The people who are Muslims believe Jesus had a virgin birth,but that was JUST a prophet.
  So they kill you if you speak out against,because they
believe Jesus was a Holy prophet of Allah,a Holy man of
Allah.Not the Son of God like I do,so they kill you if you
speak against Him,but they'll also kill you if you convert
to Christianity.


                     In His Love,
                     curious

I agree, Right On!

Brother Love

[Allinall]

To Ebia (Reply 4),

Obviously you are a Muslim and your response proves my point.
Your hatred and intolerance will unfortunately not save your soul.
Also , this is a Christian site , I was writing to Christians not you.

Naaaaaahhhh.  Ebia's not a Muslim.  She's just contrary!  

[Brother Love]

To Ebia (Reply 4),

Obviously you are a Muslim and your response proves my point.
Your hatred and intolerance will unfortunately not save your soul.
Also , this is a Christian site , I was writing to Christians not you.

YES!!! I agree

Brother Love

[Brother Love]

  I am NOT a Muslim,but I keep my ears open
to understand what they are about,remember
they say to understand your enemy.How am I
going to study against them,if I don't know what
they believe,and not just somebody's idea of
what they believe.
   That's the WHOLE thing in Apologetics,is to
know what a cult(or worse)believes,so by God's
word &/or help to show them their error.
    I am believer in Jesus as the Son of God.

                          In His Love,
                          curious
                     

AAAMEN!!

Brother Love

[Brother Love]

To Ebia (Reply 4),

Obviously you are a Muslim and your response proves my point.
Your hatred and intolerance will unfortunately not save your soul.
Also , this is a Christian site , I was writing to Christians not you.

Naaaaaahhhh.  Ebia's not a Muslim.  She's just contrary!  

What ever she has I pray my wife never gets it

Brother Love

[curious]

     When I hear something,I ask about it,and
I look & search.I have been told to do the same
by some Pastors with them,not to take their
word,because they're human and make mistakes.
      Paul even said that.He praised the Bereans
if you remember,for taking what he said with joy,
but when they got home,they looked up to see
if what he said was true........are we to do any
less ?
       I know that there are alot of Pastors who
would be VERY offended by the Lay people checking
up to see if they said was true,and maybe some
of you reading this too.

                           In His Love,
                           curious

[Brother Love]

    When I hear something,I ask about it,and
I look & search.I have been told to do the same
by some Pastors with them,not to take their
word,because they're human and make mistakes.
      Paul even said that.He praised the Bereans
if you remember,for taking what he said with joy,
but when they got home,they looked up to see
if what he said was true........are we to do any
less ?
       I know that there are alot of Pastors who
would be VERY offended by the Lay people checking
up to see if they said was true,and maybe some
of you reading this too.

                           In His Love,
                           curious

Right On!

Brother Love