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« Reply #135 on: November 14, 2008, 04:37:34 PM »

Marriage fight turns to preservation of constitution
'If courts deny people their rights, the rule of law will be upended'

Marriage has been argued in the California courts already for years, with the state Supreme Court declaring the creation in May of the "right" for same-sex duos to "marry," but the battle has taken on a new tone with the approval by voters in the state last week of a constitutional amendment defining marriage as only between one man and one woman.

"The battle to preserve marriage has taken on a whole new dimension as we fight to preserve our basic constitutional form of government," said Brad Dacus, of Pacific Justice Institute. "If the courts deny the people of California their inherent right to determine such a basic matter of public policy as preserving marriage, the rule of law will be upended. The stakes are incredibly high."

When it was clear that voters in the state, by a margin of about 53 percent to 47 percent, had approved Proposition 8 on Nov. 4, pro-homosexual activists wasted no time in filing at least three lawsuits seeking to declare the provision in the constitution, which took effect on its approval, unconstitutional.

Dacus' Pacific Justice Institute now has filed documents with the state Supreme Court to defend the constitutional amendment.

The three cases come from the ACLU and Lambda, a pro-homosexual activist organization, from celebrity attorney Gloria Allred, and from the city attorneys for San Francisco, Los Angeles and Santa Clara County.

"All three cases use the same basic arguments that Prop. 8 'takes rights away' and should be considered a revision, rather than an amendment, to the state constitution," Pacific Justice said. "Revisions must be approved by both the legislature and voters."

Learn about the intimidating tactics and brilliant marketing techniques being used by "gay rights" activists – read David Kupelian's controversial blockbuster, "The Marketing of Evil: How Radicals, Elitists, and Pseudo-Experts Sell Us Corruption Disguised as Freedom."

According to state law, California Attorney General Jerry Brown is the official defender of the amendment. However, Brown worked to have it defeated before voters had their say and has not stepped in to respond yet.

As a result, Pacific Justice filed friend-of-the-court briefs in the cases, opposing the demands for the court to block enactment of the provision, which now is a part of the state constitution.

"It is being argued that voters can never undo judicial decisions – even when the courts insert themselves into public policy debates," noted PJI Chief Counsel Kevin Snider. "If accepted, that argument will eviscerate California's initiative process."

"PJI Staff Attorney Matt McReynolds added, "The lawsuit filed by San Francisco, L.A. and Santa Clara County are egregious abuses of power. More than 700,000 citizens in those locales voted in favor of Prop. 8, yet their tax dollars are being used to finance an attack against Prop. 8. This is political grandstanding at its worst."

The filing states: "Petitioners rely on section 923 of the California Code of Civil Procedure (CCP) as authority for a stay of the implementation of Article II, paragraph 8 of the California Constitution. This section provides no grounds upon which the Supreme Court can prevent the implementation of a constitutional amendment while it is under review by the court. Indeed, petitioners have cited no case in California's 158 years of judicial history in which this court has taken such an action. There is good reason for this. Such action would be an usurpation by the judiciary in violation of the separation of powers."

The filing continues that since marriage only between one man and one woman was approved by voters, it became the status quo, as it was for all of the 158 years prior to the May court ruling.

California voters approved a measure in 2000 defining marriage as one man and one woman, but because it was only a state law, the state Supreme Court was able to throw it out. Defenders of traditional marriage sought to put the definition in the state constitution to take it beyond the grasp of activist judges.
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« Reply #136 on: November 15, 2008, 12:22:02 AM »

Pro-'gay marriage' rallies planned nationwide
Protests in all 50 states aim to pressure California Supremes to overturn Prop. 8

Same-sex marriage advocates have marked today as a "National Day of Protest" and are planning marches around the country to rally against California's Proposition 8, a voter initiative that passed on Election Day, defining marriage in the state as strictly between one man and one woman.

Organizers have march leaders and groups coordinated in all 50 states, even in towns as small as Decorah, Iowa, population 8,172.

"Guess the whole 'Yes We Can' Obama thing got something started," writes poster kgongre, advertising the event on OpEdNews.com. "Too bad so many who voted for progress with one hand tried to shove us back in the closet with the other. No. Not going to work that way this time.

"Seems a lot of us Gay folk are just about fed up with being told who we can and can't marry," kgongre writes.

The planned day of protest is being coordinated through a website called Join the Impact, which states its movement seeks to "look forward toward what needs to be done now to achieve one goal: Full equality for ALL."

Join the Impact has served as a clearinghouse for international supporters of the protest, enabling the groups to coordinate their marches to begin at 1:30 p.m. Eastern Time, across the U.S. and in at least nine other countries.

Ed Reggi, organizer of the St. Louis protest, told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch the goal is to pressure the California Supreme Court to overturn Proposition 8.

"If California can rewrite its constitution to specifically target gays and lesbians, then whose civil rights could be next?" Reggi asked.

Seattle activist Amy Balliett, founder of Join the Impact, told the website 365gay, "When we're backed into a corner, as we have been with these propositions, we cannot let ourselves be silenced. Protest is a way to bring that conversation back to a national level."

Learn about the intimidating tactics and brilliant marketing techniques being used by "gay rights" activists – read David Kupelian's controversial blockbuster, "The Marketing of Evil: How Radicals, Elitists, and Pseudo-Experts Sell Us Corruption Disguised as Freedom."

As WND reported, following Proposition 8's passage, protest marches in California began and grew to near-riot levels. Photos in the Los Angeles Times showed protesters climbing the fences of a Mormon temple, screaming through the chain link, while marchers shouted "bigot" and "shame on you" through the gates.

Thousands have taken to the streets in California, leading to arrests and confrontations – including one in which an elderly lady carrying a cross was verbally assaulted, her cross stripped from her and trampled on the ground.

WND has also reported how Christian churches have been targets of hateful, angry rhetoric, even while homosexual marriage advocates have marched carrying signs reading "Love thy neighbor" and "Separation of church and hate."

Join the Impact insists, however, that today's protests are intended to be peaceful.

"Our mission is to encourage our community to engage our opposition in a conversation about full equality and to do this with respect, dignity, and an attitude of outreach and education," says the website. "JoinTheImpact, as an entity, will not encourage divisiveness, violence, or disrespect of others and we do not approve of this. We do not stand for pointing the finger at one group and placing blame."
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« Reply #137 on: November 15, 2008, 12:49:49 AM »

WOW! If the gay activists are going to start talking about shame, I wonder if they are ready to address their own obscene sex acts and nudity on public streets - in broad daylight - in front of children. UM? - I also wonder if they will continue to address SHAME AND LEAVE OUR CHILDREN IN THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS ALONE! THEY ARE THEIR OWN WORST ENEMY, AND THEY'VE ALWAYS BEEN! Just for information, NORMAL people don't commit sex acts on public streets, and NORMAL people don't try forced indoctrination of FILTH with children. PROTESTS IN ALL STATES WILL SIMPLY MAKE THEIR OPPOSITION MORE FIRM AND DETERMINED! NORMAL and DECENT people keep some things in the privacy of their own homes. It shouldn't require much COMMON SENSE to UNDERSTAND SUCH BASIC THINGS! Further, fairly intelligent parents DON'T WANT their children to be trained to EXPOSE THEMSELVES TO A DEADLY PUBLIC HEALTH EPIDEMIC! Common sense would tell most folks that these things WON'T BE TOLERATED! SO, basic and beginning common sense should be the first goal - NOT RADICAL INSANITY!
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« Reply #138 on: November 17, 2008, 10:46:12 PM »

Anti-Prop. 8 Mob Watch: Christians in San Francisco’s Castro district

Gay activists hound Christians in San Francisco’s Castro district:

A description of a youtube video on the incident:

    After just singing and worshiping God for a while, Roger decided that we should all hold hands in a circle and continue singing. So we did.

    Someone (Actually a person who came up and hugged and kissed some of us who he knew from the past) convinced some people that we were there to protest against the no on 8 campaign.

    Then some guy who was dressed up like one of the sisters (The sisters of perpetual indulgence is a group of men who dress up like nuns and call themselves the spiritual authority of the Castro.) took a curtain-type thing (Which I think they use to curse people) and wrapped it around us.

    Then a crowd started gathering. We began to sing “Amazing Grace”, and basically sang that song the whole night. (At some points we also sang “Nothing but the Blood of Jesus” and “Oh the Blood of Jesus”.) At first, they just shouted at us, using crude, rude, and foul language and calling us names like “haters” and “bigots”. Since it was a long night, I can’t even begin to remember all of the things that were shouted and/or chanted at us. Then, they started throwing hot coffee, soda and alcohol on us and spitting (and maybe even peeing) on us. Then, a group of guys surrounded us with whistles, and blasted them inches away from our ears continually. Then, they started getting violent and started shoving us. At one point a man tried to steal one of our Bibles. Chrisdene noticed, so she walked up to him and said “Hey, that’s not yours, can you please give it back?”. He responded by hitting her on the head with the Bible, shoving her to the ground, and kicking her. I called the cops, and when they got there, they pulled her out of the circle and asked her if she wanted to press charges. She said “No, tell him I forgive him.”

    Afterwards, she didn’t rejoin us in the circle, but she made friends with one of the people in the crowd, and really connected heart to heart. Roger got death threats. As the leader of our group, people looked him in the eyes and said “I am going to kill you.”, and they were serious. A cop heard one of them, and confronted him. (This part is kinda graphic, so you should skip the paragraph if you don’t want to be offended.) It wasn’t long before the violence turned to perversion. They were touching and grabbing me, and trying to shove things in my butt, and even trying to take off my pants - basically trying to molest me. I used one hand to hold my pants up, while I used the other arm to hold one of the girls. The guys huddled around all the girls, and protected them.

KTVU news article on this:

In San Francisco's Castro District, people on both sides of the same-sex marriage controversy confronted each other on Friday night, as police tried to keep the peace. Proposition 8 passed in a close vote and eliminated the right of same-sex couples to marry.

Members of the gay community said that almost every Friday night, a Christian group meets at the corner of Castro and 18th Streets. They try to convert gays and lesbians into a straight lifestyle.

This Friday night, the message didn't go over well. Some gays and lesbians reacted by trying to chase the group out of the Castro.

"Their rights were respected," said Joe Schmitz, an opponent of Prop 8. "They got a chance to go ahead and pray on the sidewalk and I had the opportunity to express my freedom of speech which is telling them to get out of my neighborhood."

San Francisco Police officers in riot gear formed a line and escorted the religious group into a van to safely get them out of the area.

Members of the gay community insisted that their reaction to the Christian group was spontaneous. "It was not an organized thing. We're tired of it. It's not religious. It's not a racial thing. It's about hate. We're trying to send a message across the world that we're standing up and we don't want this to go on anymore," said Adam Quintero.

Supporters of same-sex marriage plan on Saturday to stage a national day of protest against Prop 8. Some demonstrators told KTVU that they are planning on more than protests. They say they plan to break away and carry out acts of civil disobedience.

In San Francisco, the demonstration is scheduled to take place outside City Hall. Other demonstrations are planned in Oakland and Walnut Creek, and in New York, Washington, Chicago and other U.S. cities.

Supporters of Prop 8 include the Mormon and Catholic churches. They say the passage of the measure was the will of the people and that they are being unfairly targeted.

Don Eaton, the public affairs representative of the Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter Day Saints in the Bay Area said, "The church only encourages people to vote their conscience. The church also reminded us what our doctrine is with regards to marriage between a man and a woman." He also said that some members of the church gave money to the No on 8 campaign, and they weren't punished by the church.

A non-profit group called the Equal Justice Society joined the legal battle against Prop 8 on Friday. It and the NAACP, the Asian Pacific American Legal Center and Mexican American Legal Defense jointly filed a lawsuit. They are asking the California Supreme Court to invalidate Prop 8, arguing that it takes away civil rights.

"People of color need to stand up for the LGBT community," said Eva Paterson of the Equal Justice Society. "We think civil rights groups that represent people of color say it's very dangerous for the California electorate to take away constitutionally guaranteed rights."
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« Reply #139 on: November 17, 2008, 11:18:15 PM »

Anti-Prop. 8 Mob Watch: Christians in San Francisco’s Castro district

Gay activists hound Christians in San Francisco’s Castro district:

A description of a youtube video on the incident:

    After just singing and worshiping God for a while, Roger decided that we should all hold hands in a circle and continue singing. So we did.

    Someone (Actually a person who came up and hugged and kissed some of us who he knew from the past) convinced some people that we were there to protest against the no on 8 campaign.

    Then some guy who was dressed up like one of the sisters (The sisters of perpetual indulgence is a group of men who dress up like nuns and call themselves the spiritual authority of the Castro.) took a curtain-type thing (Which I think they use to curse people) and wrapped it around us.

    Then a crowd started gathering. We began to sing “Amazing Grace”, and basically sang that song the whole night. (At some points we also sang “Nothing but the Blood of Jesus” and “Oh the Blood of Jesus”.) At first, they just shouted at us, using crude, rude, and foul language and calling us names like “haters” and “bigots”. Since it was a long night, I can’t even begin to remember all of the things that were shouted and/or chanted at us. Then, they started throwing hot coffee, soda and alcohol on us and spitting (and maybe even peeing) on us. Then, a group of guys surrounded us with whistles, and blasted them inches away from our ears continually. Then, they started getting violent and started shoving us. At one point a man tried to steal one of our Bibles. Chrisdene noticed, so she walked up to him and said “Hey, that’s not yours, can you please give it back?”. He responded by hitting her on the head with the Bible, shoving her to the ground, and kicking her. I called the cops, and when they got there, they pulled her out of the circle and asked her if she wanted to press charges. She said “No, tell him I forgive him.”

    Afterwards, she didn’t rejoin us in the circle, but she made friends with one of the people in the crowd, and really connected heart to heart. Roger got death threats. As the leader of our group, people looked him in the eyes and said “I am going to kill you.”, and they were serious. A cop heard one of them, and confronted him. (This part is kinda graphic, so you should skip the paragraph if you don’t want to be offended.) It wasn’t long before the violence turned to perversion. They were touching and grabbing me, and trying to shove things in my butt, and even trying to take off my pants - basically trying to molest me. I used one hand to hold my pants up, while I used the other arm to hold one of the girls. The guys huddled around all the girls, and protected them.

KTVU news article on this:

In San Francisco's Castro District, people on both sides of the same-sex marriage controversy confronted each other on Friday night, as police tried to keep the peace. Proposition 8 passed in a close vote and eliminated the right of same-sex couples to marry.

Members of the gay community said that almost every Friday night, a Christian group meets at the corner of Castro and 18th Streets. They try to convert gays and lesbians into a straight lifestyle.

This Friday night, the message didn't go over well. Some gays and lesbians reacted by trying to chase the group out of the Castro.

"Their rights were respected," said Joe Schmitz, an opponent of Prop 8. "They got a chance to go ahead and pray on the sidewalk and I had the opportunity to express my freedom of speech which is telling them to get out of my neighborhood."

San Francisco Police officers in riot gear formed a line and escorted the religious group into a van to safely get them out of the area.

Members of the gay community insisted that their reaction to the Christian group was spontaneous. "It was not an organized thing. We're tired of it. It's not religious. It's not a racial thing. It's about hate. We're trying to send a message across the world that we're standing up and we don't want this to go on anymore," said Adam Quintero.

Supporters of same-sex marriage plan on Saturday to stage a national day of protest against Prop 8. Some demonstrators told KTVU that they are planning on more than protests. They say they plan to break away and carry out acts of civil disobedience.

In San Francisco, the demonstration is scheduled to take place outside City Hall. Other demonstrations are planned in Oakland and Walnut Creek, and in New York, Washington, Chicago and other U.S. cities.

Supporters of Prop 8 include the Mormon and Catholic churches. They say the passage of the measure was the will of the people and that they are being unfairly targeted.

Don Eaton, the public affairs representative of the Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter Day Saints in the Bay Area said, "The church only encourages people to vote their conscience. The church also reminded us what our doctrine is with regards to marriage between a man and a woman." He also said that some members of the church gave money to the No on 8 campaign, and they weren't punished by the church.

A non-profit group called the Equal Justice Society joined the legal battle against Prop 8 on Friday. It and the NAACP, the Asian Pacific American Legal Center and Mexican American Legal Defense jointly filed a lawsuit. They are asking the California Supreme Court to invalidate Prop 8, arguing that it takes away civil rights.

"People of color need to stand up for the LGBT community," said Eva Paterson of the Equal Justice Society. "We think civil rights groups that represent people of color say it's very dangerous for the California electorate to take away constitutionally guaranteed rights."

These violent and obscene PERVERTS have provided ample evidence numerous times why the public should always STAND UP AND VOTE AGAINST FILTH LIKE THIS! Decent people shouldn't put up with something like this even once. These idiots need to be sitting in JAIL OR PRISON every time they do something like this. Multiple SERIOUS CRIMINAL VIOLATIONS were committed by them, and they should have been PROSECUTED to the LIMIT OF THE LAW! Failure to PROSECUTE them will simply result in more victims. WE STILL HAVE LAWS, AND THIS ISN'T A JUNGLE YET!
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« Reply #140 on: November 17, 2008, 11:35:20 PM »

Amen! Unfortunately it is becoming a jungle of filth very rapidly though. I don't see any of them getting charged because the people that were attacked won't press charges.

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« Reply #141 on: November 18, 2008, 12:13:27 AM »

Amen! Unfortunately it is becoming a jungle of filth very rapidly though. I don't see any of them getting charged because the people that were attacked won't press charges.



Hello Pastor Roger,

Brother, I understand, appreciate, and try hard to practice "Hate the sin - NOT THE SINNER!" I even understand not filing charges in minor situations, but this wasn't a minor situation. This was a MAJOR situation with numerous FELONY offenses being committed. As a retired career police officer, I know that things like this must be addressed by the law sooner or later. "LATER" usually involves much more violence because the people got away with it before. I've seen the COST of failure to ENFORCE THE LAW, and the COST is too great for any of us to pay. This group of idiots might escalate their actions to KILLING the next time because they weren't PROSECUTED this time. I do understand the thoughts of many Christians failing to PROSECUTE, but I think these thoughts are misdirected and represent a near INVITATION to commit more serious violations of the law. OBVIOUSLY, it would be much better to STOP things like this before it turns into a MAD-DOG blood-letting situation. Further, children should not be seeing or hearing about things like this. I firmly believe that AGGRESSIVE LAW ENFORCEMENT must be practiced to remind IDIOTS that we still live in a civilized country. One can look at countless examples of what happens when the Laws of the People aren't enforced. The problems get WORSE and OUT OF CONTROL to the extent that conditions become unlivable. One also runs the risk of VIGILANTES starting to enforce the PEACE if the police won't.

By the way, the Police themselves can file these charges if they have probable cause to believe that a crime was committed. The victim or victims filing charges is not required in cases this serious. If a FELONY and BREACH OF THE PEACE is being committing in the presence of a Police Officer, the Police Officer is required by law to take the appropriate actions. Failure to do so is a violation of the Law, Constitution, and the Officer's Oath of Office. EQUAL PROTECTION UNDER THE LAW comes into play - with or without the request or assistance of the victim. Assistance from the victim is only required on more minor violations of the law and does not apply to the numerous SERIOUS violations in this case.
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« Reply #142 on: November 18, 2008, 12:43:18 AM »

From what I understand from the article the police were not witnesses to the majority of the physical portion when it came to the first woman in the article that wouldn't file charges but did hear the verbal threats and were present for the other accosting of the Christians. It might be different there but I know according to the laws here that the vast majority of them could have been arrested for mob action as well as some more serious charges without the victims doing so.

I agree totally. I would have filed charges anyway because as you said they now think that it is alright to act that way and may even go further next time. I have seen that happen time and time again with people here.

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« Reply #143 on: November 18, 2008, 02:05:55 AM »

From what I understand from the article the police were not witnesses to the majority of the physical portion when it came to the first woman in the article that wouldn't file charges but did hear the verbal threats and were present for the other accosting of the Christians. It might be different there but I know according to the laws here that the vast majority of them could have been arrested for mob action as well as some more serious charges without the victims doing so.

I agree totally. I would have filed charges anyway because as you said they now think that it is alright to act that way and may even go further next time. I have seen that happen time and time again with people here.



Hello Pastor Roger,

The vast majority of criminal laws around the country are very close to each other. They might be called by a different name, but similar violations are covered. Using California as an example makes for a weird comparison because they only enforce the law when it suits them or the agenda of their city administration. They actually order officers not to enforce certain criminal laws for special events like GAY PRIDE PARADES. The police officers actually stood there and watched nudity and obscene sexual acts on a city street - in broad daylight - and in front of children. YES, the officers were ordered not to enforce the law that day. In REALITY, all of the city officials and police officers involved COULD be held CRIMINALLY AND CIVILLY RESPONSIBLE for violation of a lengthy list of laws pertaining to basic government and law enforcement and the total AVOIDANCE of all RESPONSIBILITY. Special treatment of certain segments of society is almost impossible for GOOD police officers to deal with. This would produce great STRESS for anyone who seriously cared about enforcement of the law.

So, what happened in California and WHAT SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED are in direct CONFLICT. These victims were being held against their will and being molested and abused. In reality, they were falsely imprisoned and held HOSTAGE and/or KIDNAPPED. Their CAPTORS acted like TERRORISTS and violated numerous FELONY laws. We don't know if there's even a proper police report - much less appropriate law enforcement actions. There isn't even any information that the police asked the victims if they wanted to leave the presence of their tormentors. Witnessing any portion of this sad action would have REQUIRED police action. At the very least, there was a BREACH OF THE PEACE and INNOCENT VICTIMS WERE STILL IN DANGER. If I understood things correctly, the police left them in this condition, witnessed violations of the law, and completely neglected their duty. Here, the officers would be fired, and criminal charges would be filed against the officers. It appears that normal and REQUIRED police services were DENIED SIMPLY BECAUSE THE VICTIMS WERE CHRISTIANS!
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« Reply #144 on: November 18, 2008, 10:21:59 PM »

Mayor suggests Jesus would allow same-sex marriage
City boss vows to take fight for homosexuals to schools, Congress, White House

Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa told a crowd of cheering homosexuals that Jesus wouldn't discriminate against "gays," suggesting that God would allow same-sex marriage.

He then vowed to take the battle for homosexual marriage to schools, churches, Congress and the president.

Villaraigosa, former president of the ACLU of Southern California, addressed the "No on Prop 8" protest outside Los Angeles City Hall on Nov. 15.

"Some have said, 'Well Mr. Villaraigosa, I don't like your position on Proposition 8,'" the mayor said. "They said, 'Who are you to get involved in this issue?' Well, I think we got elected to stand up for a constitution."

He continued, "I think we got elected to stand up for the idea that in the eyes of the law and in the eyes of God, thou shalt not discriminate."

Protesters held signs stating, "Who would Jesus hate?" and "CA gays are the victims and Mormons are the persecutors."

Many chanted, "Yes we can!" – a slogan popularized by the Barack Obama campaign.

Villaraigosa suggested Jesus stood for individual rights, including "rights" to same-sex partnerships.

"You know, I didn't live – and none of us did – during the time of Jesus," he said. "But I like to believe that the Jesus I love, the Jesus I pray to, didn't just talk about being a shepherd. He knew that the role of the shepherd was to bring the flock in – all of the flock, every one of us. The constitution has always been a document that speaks out for rights, the fundamental rights of people, for the liberty that we cherish and love, for the liberty that we fight and die for."

Then the mayor promised to continue the fight for "gay" marriage beyond protests.

"We come today to begin a conversation because it's not just going to be about demonstrations," Villaraigosa said. "It's not just going to be about the Internet. We're going to have conversations in our neighborhoods, in our schools, in our churches and every civic institution, in our unions, in city hall and the halls of Congress and the legislature.

"We're going to take every opportunity to begin that conversation – all the way to the White House."

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Romans 1:22-28 KJV  Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,  23  And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.  24  Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:  25  Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.  26  For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:  27  And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.  28  And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;


1 Corinthians 6:9 KJV  Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,


Ephesians 4:18-19 KJV  Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:  19  Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness.


Ephesians 5:11-12 KJV  And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.  12  For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.


1 Timothy 1:9-10 KJV  Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,  10  For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;


Jude 1:6-10 KJV  And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.  7  Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.  8  Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.  9  Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.  10  But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.

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« Reply #146 on: January 09, 2009, 12:36:36 PM »

Lawsuit seeks safeguards from 'gay' harassment
9/11 cited, marriage supporters told: 'You haven't seen anything yet'

A California organization that promoted a successful ballot measure last fall to protect traditional marriage now is challenging the constitutionality of a state campaign finance law used to harass and threaten supporters of the initiative.

The Alliance Defense Fund filed a lawsuit on behalf of ProtectMarriage.com to protect financial contributors to the Proposition 8 campaign from retaliation.

Personal information about individuals who gave a little as $100 in support of Proposition 8 has been made public under the campaign law, resulting in threats and intimidation from advocates for homosexual marriage, the lawsuit said.

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Individual situations that already have been reported include:

    * "John Doe #4," who got multiple threatening e-mails including one that read: "hello propagators & litagators (sic) burn in hell" and "You have won our tampon of the year award."

    * "John Doe #6," who got a postcard chastising her for supporting Prop 8 ("In some instances, such phone calls and e-mails were accompanied by death threats, a threat made all the more plausible by the compelled disclosure of the addresses of the donors.")

    * Another Prop 8 contributor who was told, "Consider yourself lucky. If I had a gun I would have gunned you down" and, "I've got a little surprise for Pasor [sic] Franklin and his congregation of lowlife's [sic] in the coming future … He will be meeting his maker sooner than expected."

    * Also issued as a threat to Prop 8 suipporters was: "If you thought 9/11 was bad, you haven't seen anything yet."

    * Yet another missive, listing the donor's home and business contacts, said: "I just wanted to call and let you know what a great picture that was of you and the other Nazi's [sic] in the newspaper … We have plans for you and your friends. … I hope you rot in hell, you ******* ****."

"Putting the names and employers of the people who supported Proposition 8 on the Internet for anyone to see has caused serious problems," said James Bopp Jr., the lead attorney for Prop. 8 supporters. "No one should worry about getting a death threat because of the way he or she votes.

"This lawsuit will protect the right of all people to help support causes they agree with, without having to worry about harassment or threats," he said.

The election saw more than 7 million Californians support Prop. 8, which defines marriage in the state constitution as being between only one man and one woman. It pulled the rug out from under plans adopted just months earlier by the California court system that created homosexual "marriage" by fiat.

But under state law, people who gave money to support Proposition 8 had their names, employers and other personal information listed on the website of the secretary of state of California

After their election failure, Prop. 8 opponents then used the list of names to go after people who supported the measure.

"Some people who supported Proposition 8 had their homes and churches vandalized, were forced to resign their jobs, and were even threatened with violence and death. To stop this harassment and these threats, this lawsuit asks the court to stop the release of the names and personal information of people who gave money to support Proposition 8," the ADF said.

"Our laws should ensure free participation in the democratic process, and not result in compromising the free speech and association rights of guaranteed to all Americans," said ADF Legal Counsel Tim Chandler, a local counsel in the case.

"Citizens shouldn't have to choose between being involved in the democratic process and subjecting themselves to acts of vengeance," he said.

The lawsuit challenges parts of California's campaign finance laws that require people who donate as little as $100 to have personal information revealed on the Internet as unconstitutional violations of free speech. The lawsuit also challenges parts of the campaign finance laws that require reporting of donations after a proposition has been voted on as unconstitutional.

WND reported earlier when pro-homosexual activists physically intimidated and badgered a woman for supporting traditional marriage.

WND also reported earlier when another public interest law organization, Pacific Justice Institute, brought a related complaint.

PJI's action alleges a San Francisco woman was fired for voting for Prop 8.

"Californians have been shocked by the aggressiveness of radical homosexual activists who have ousted several individuals from their jobs and livelihoods based solely on their support for traditional marriage," states Brad Dacus, president of PJI, on the group's website. "These tactics of fear and intimidation in retaliation for supporting a lawful ballot measure are completely unacceptable."

PJI also claims to be advising several others seeking settlements after they, too, were fired for supporting Proposition 8.

WND also reported earlier that two radio hosts were fired, they believe, because they questioned on air a local politician's call to boycott businesses that supported Prop. 8.

"I voiced my opinion," radio host Marshall Gilbert told WND. "I voted yes on Prop. 8, and I was fired over that." Radio station officials denied the claim.

Advocates for homosexual marriage have set up a website, AntiGayBlacklist.com, which lists hundreds of California residents, churches and businesses that donated money to the Proposition 8 campaign, urging sympathizers not to patronize those on the list.

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« Reply #147 on: January 10, 2009, 09:37:03 AM »

Brothers and Sisters,

We are watching CHAOS grow, and it's easy to see how it could be out of control one day. There's a growing number of people talking about killing those who stand up for right and against wrong. These kinds of situations are described in the Holy Bible in connection with the Tribulation Period. Many will definitely call EVIL GOOD and vice versa:  GOOD as EVIL. Christians are being demonized for acting on a MORAL STANCE that is 100% BIBLICAL.

Here's a news flash for the world:  THE WORD OF GOD WILL ENDURE FOREVER! Nothing will ever be able to destroy the WORD OF GOD because GOD IS ALIVE - IS THE CREATOR - AND IS THE KING OF KINGS! The time is coming when ALL will be brought under the subjection of JESUS CHRIST! Most of the world doesn't believe that JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF will TAKE the Throne of David in Jerusalem and rule and reign over the earth. It won't matter what people want - JUST WHAT GOD WANTS. After all, HE is the CREATOR and MASTER OF THE UNIVERSE! HIS WILL BE DONE - AND IT WILL BE!

Love In Christ,
Tom

Luke 1:30-33 NLT  "Don't be frightened, Mary," the angel told her, "for God has decided to bless you!  31  You will become pregnant and have a son, and you are to name him Jesus.  32  He will be very great and will be called the Son of the Most High. And the Lord God will give him the throne of his ancestor David.  33  And he will reign over Israel forever; his Kingdom will never end!"

Acts 2:29-36 NLT  "Dear brothers, think about this! David wasn't referring to himself when he spoke these words I have quoted, for he died and was buried, and his tomb is still here among us.  30  But he was a prophet, and he knew God had promised with an oath that one of David's own descendants would sit on David's throne as the Messiah.  31  David was looking into the future and predicting the Messiah's resurrection. He was saying that the Messiah would not be left among the dead and that his body would not rot in the grave.  32  "This prophecy was speaking of Jesus, whom God raised from the dead, and we all are witnesses of this.  33  Now he sits on the throne of highest honor in heaven, at God's right hand. And the Father, as he had promised, gave him the Holy Spirit to pour out upon us, just as you see and hear today.  34  For David himself never ascended into heaven, yet he said, 'The LORD said to my Lord, Sit in honor at my right hand  35  until I humble your enemies, making them a footstool under your feet.'  36  So let it be clearly known by everyone in Israel that God has made this Jesus whom you crucified to be both Lord and Messiah!"

Romans 15:12-13 NLT  And the prophet Isaiah said, "The heir to David's throne will come, and he will rule over the Gentiles. They will place their hopes on him."  13  So I pray that God, who gives you hope, will keep you happy and full of peace as you believe in him. May you overflow with hope through the power of the Holy Spirit.

Revelation 5:4-5 NLT  Then I wept because no one could be found who was worthy to open the scroll and read it.  5  But one of the twenty-four elders said to me, "Stop weeping! Look, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the heir to David's throne, has conquered. He is worthy to open the scroll and break its seven seals."

Revelation 22:16-17 NLT  16  "I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this message for the churches. I am both the source of David and the heir to his throne. I am the bright morning star."  17  The Spirit and the bride say, "Come." Let each one who hears them say, "Come." Let the thirsty ones come-anyone who wants to. Let them come and drink the water of life without charge.
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