Church Over State

[Soldier4Christ]

Warning: This information shows infanticide being supported in the name of Jesus. Quite sickening and total blasphemy. It is important though in knowing about the politician that is running for President of the U.S.

by Jill Stanek

The fix may have been in on Barack Obama's opposition as state senator to Illinois' Born Alive Infant Protection Act, aka support of infanticide.

I've always wondered what compelled Obama not to just vote against Born Alive but attempt single-handedly to thwart its passage, not once, not twice, but three times.

In 2001 and 2002, Obama was the lone senator speaking against Born Alive on the Senate floor. In 2003, Obama killed the bill altogether by burying it alive in a committee he chaired.

I asked former state Sen. Patrick O'Malley why he thought Obama went so far. O'Malley introduced Born Alive and served with Obama on the Judiciary Committee both years the bill was argued there.

"I think he was internally struggling with it," said O'Malley. "His dilemma was obvious. On one hand he holds himself out to be a constitutional scholar, and, of course, our Constitution makes clear that persons born are entitled to all the rights and privileges of full citizens. He consistently characterized the issue before us as being about abortion, but the legislation had nothing to do with Roe v. Wade. It focused on persons born alive. It was so easy to be on the right side of the angels here, but he wasn't."

He was on the wrong side of politics, too. By the third time Obama tried to snuff Born Alive, he was running for the U.S. Senate. The federal version had passed the year before unanimously in the Senate and almost unanimously in the House. Even NARAL went neutral. Pro-aborts agreed to let it pass without a fight lest they appear extreme.

Except Obama. He decided to battle alone further left than any other senator – Boxer, Clinton, Kennedy, Kerry, et al. Risky. Odd.

I might have agreed with O'Malley that Obama fought his internal battle externally, realizing to accept preterm live aborted babies as legal persons weakened his private justification of abortion.

But something in this scenario smelled. The first Mayor Daley once said, "There is nothing so wholesome as a fish," which was his way of defending Chicago politicians, who always smell fishy. Obama is one.

So with the new information out about Obama these days, I re-examined the evidence and found some interesting facts:

    * Obama has been a member of Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago since 1988;

    * TUCC is a member of the Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice;

    * TUCC's pastor is Dr. Jeremiah Wright Jr., whom Obama calls a spiritual adviser and whom Obama thanked in his 2004 U.S. Senate victory speech, along with "fellow Trinitarians," before his wife;

    * From 1986 to 1989, Wright served on the Board of Directors of Evangelical Health Systems;

    * In 1995, EHS merged with another health system to create Advocate Health Care, controlled jointly by the United Church of Christ and Evangelical Lutheran Church of America, both pro-abortion;

    * One Advocate property is Christ Hospital, where in 1999 I discovered babies were being aborted alive;

    * One prominent Advocate board member is the Rev. Dr. Ozzie Smith Jr., a former associate pastor at TUCC under Wright;

    * Another Advocate board member, Melbalenia Evans, is TUCC's former executive minister;

    * TUCC is the United States' largest UCC church. Ebony listed Wright as one of the 15 greatest black preachers. Advocate is the largest nonprofit healthcare provider in Chicago. Talk about crossroads of power and money. Speaking of crossroads, TUCC is located five miles from Christ Hospital.

So, which explanation makes more sense, that the fire rose in Obama's belly to fight for what he nobly but foolishly thought was the sacred right to infanticide, that he decided, by golly, this was why he was elected, and even if he stood alone, looking like a left-wing extremist, he was going to protect that right?

Or that Advocate got to Obama through its UCC contacts?

Am I inferring faith has no place in legislative decision-making? No. To assert laws should be written, passed or failed in a moral vacuum is to assert the impossible, since laws are expressions of morality.

No, the question Obama must answer is whether his church or Advocate influenced him. Obama has a shady history. Was there quid pro quo?

Advocate recently fell from grace with Obama, Wright and TUCC. They believe Advocate is ignoring their community's poor.

I'm surprised they are surprised Advocate might be mistreating the least of these.

I also think they have a lot of nerve.

______________

Jill Stanek fought to stop "live-birth abortion" after witnessing one as a registered nurse at Christ Hospital in Oak Lawn, Ill. In 2002, President Bush asked Jill to attend his signing of the Born Alive Infants Protection Act. In January 2003, World Magazine named Jill one of the 30 most prominent pro-life leaders of the past 30 years.

[nChrist]

YES - This is sick to the max and all I need to know about Obama.

Those who vote to continue or preserve such barbaric procedures need to be forced to watch one. Plain and simple - it's MURDER OF A HUMAN BEING! - a helpless and gentle baby that belongs to GOD.

All of the medical terms need to cease, and we need to tell things like they are. We are MURDERING BABIES, and anyone with a conscience should demand that abortions stop. All but a very few abortions are performed for the sole reason of allowing people to avoid the responsibility of immoral behavior. In other words, SIN caused the creation of a human baby, and the GREATER SIN OF ABORTION is done to cover it up.

NEWS FLASH:  abortion is many times the beginning of much greater problems for the prospective parents. The MURDER OF A HUMAN BABY can't be forgotten, and it's right that the MURDER of a HELPLESS BABY should be impossible to forget. Let them proudly post pictures of the MURDERED BABIES and send the mothers home with MURDERED BABY PICTURE BOOKS.

Why don't they have funerals for MURDERED BABIES? INSTEAD, they are tossed in biological waste bags or burned. Does this mean that everything is over for the baby? NO!! The innocent baby goes to be with JESUS for eternity. Is there really any wonder about what GOD thinks of abortion? NO!! GOD numbered the hairs on our heads before the foundation of the world. GOD knows us in the womb. NOTHING CAN BE HIDDEN AND NOTHING WILL BE FORGOTTEN! WE are a vile and barbaric society of MASS MURDERERS. The HOLOCAUST of abortion is now far in excess of 40 million babies, so Hitler was a beginner compared to us. I must also mention that most of Hitler's killing methods were much more humane than abortion. DOESN'T EVERYONE KNOW THAT BABIES FEEL PAIN? We give much more humane treatment and dignity to our dogs! SO, WHO BEARS THE FAULT FOR ABORTIONS? ALL OF US DO!!

[Brother Jerry]

Thank you for the information.  I hope you do not get into trouble for posting an opinion like a grass root movement and have not paid the dues....oh wait they have not passed that law yet.

But it is good to know the stance of many of our leaders.  And one I try to track... Too often you find that in a matter of a year or so the politicians will change their personal stance on topics...and provide no clear asnwer as to why they did it.  So when he goes running for an office I have a say in...I will know that even if he says he is pro-life I will know to question that heavily.

[nChrist]

Hello Brother Jerry,

Brother, you made a good point, and the information on a Christian forum could be regulated. Most Christian forums are financed out of the goodness of someone's heart, maybe partially supported by advertising, or sponsored by a Church. Everyone should know that bandwidth on the Internet does cost money, and I seriously doubt that any Christian forum could afford to comply with all of the regulations, get opinions from lawyers, and do all the other nonsense necessary for the bill you are talking about. In other words, it would probably shut down everything except the very rich organizations.

There are tons of kind-hearted Christians, but I doubt that very many would be interested in lining the pockets of lawyers and bureaucrats. So, we would either have to shut up or break the law, and that would be an interesting discussion. I don't have any money, and I don't plan to shut up.   

[Soldier4Christ]

I hope you do not get into trouble for posting an opinion like a grass root movement and have not paid the dues....oh wait they have not passed that law yet.

They may take my money but they will never get my riches.   

Yes, it is very realistic an idea that one day soon none of will be able to post anything on the internet contrary to the wishes of the government without risking imprisonment. One way or another I will continue as long as the Lord allows.

[Shammu]

Thats sick YUCK

[Brother Jerry]

They may take my money but they will never get my riches.

Amen to that brother