Striving For The Pefect Race Again

[Soldier4Christ]

Hitler-style 'designer' babies
coming under fire in Texas 
Medical group says breeding for traits
will lead to death for those who fail

A Texas fertility clinic now promoting its plan to "design" babies for customers is moving society another step down the road toward full-blown eugenics in the United States, where there would be certain categories of lives that simply would be valueless, according to a spokesman for an organization of physicians.

"I hope we have the gumption to have laws passed that will prohibit this," Dr. Gene Rudd, the associate executive director for the Christian Medical Association, told WND. "But one we've gone so far, how can you justify not going just a little bit further … down that ethical abyss."

He was directing his comments to an announcement by a Texas fertility clinic that it would match sperm and egg donors to meet criteria for babies demanded by customers – an entirely new concept in "Have it your way," Rudd said.

The association's statement on the issue said the clinic's ethics were seriously lacking because it was "grading babies like meat in a supermarket."

The proposal has been made by the Abraham Center of Life in Texas, an in-vitro fertilization clinic that said the donors would be screened and confirmed so that the features parents desire are present in a baby.

"This designer baby scheme crosses ethical and moral boundaries by turning babies into commodities," said Dr. David Stevens, CEO of the 17,000-member CMA. "By stressing the educational level of sperm and egg donors, this center is preying on parents who have fallen victim to the false notion that babies are a status symbol, and that intelligence, race or appearance are somehow measures of worth."

Rudd said the concept of "improving" a population by "controlled breeding" has been exhibited before in history, and Americans perhaps should review the outcomes there before moving forward with the plan again.

Rudd noted that a famous doctor who attended the Nuremberg trials after World War II noted that "all the atrocities in Germany had their roots in a change of attitude within the medical community – that there were lives not worthy to be lived."

Once that happens, it's not just screening for a disease or malformation, but for blue eyes and blond hair. "We're marginalizing human life simply because we want a particular trait," Rudd told WND.

The specific plan offered by the clinic advertises that the women donors all will have post-high school degrees, and the men who donate must have advanced degrees. But the nature of such medical procedures also requires that multiple eggs be fertilized – to make sure one has the "right" features – and the rest then are destroyed.

The steps will have to include a test, he noted. "Then if they don't come up with things that the customer is looking for they'll say, 'oh well, we'll try again.'"

It's enough heartbreak to have unintended pregnancies cut short, he said, but even worse to know that you're creating living beings whose lives will be cut short when they no longer are needed.

The next step won't be far away, either, Rudd added. If choices are available for children's eyes and hair color etc., then if someone ends up with a child who isn't "perfect," they will just "keep shopping," he said.

"Humanity used to be measured by how we cared for those less able," Rudd told WND. "Now we're getting rid of all those."

And the cleansing process will be at just an opening stage, Rudd noted. "First they eliminated the criminally insane, then the insane, then the infirm, elderly, young and disabled," Rudd said his studies of Nazi Germany have taught him. "Eventually such 'cleansing' was extended to all who were not German."

The clinic alleges the selection process is set up so that the babies match the hopeful parents' desires. "We're just trying to help people have babies," Jeanalee Ryan of The Abraham Center of Life, told the Washington Post.

The costs have been estimated at about $10,000 for the process.

"The creation of 'designer embryos' for sale to unrelated individuals is the commodification of human life for financial purposes by unscrupulous scientists and physicians," said CMA member Dr. Jeffrey Keenan, IVF specialist and medical director for the National Embryo Donation Center.

"This activity is deemed unethical by all organizations who have addressed it, and is illegal in many developed countries. Human life is sacred and should never be bought or sold at any stage of development,” Ryan said.

One of the biggest supporters of eugenics was Adolf Hitler, according to a program called "Darwin's Deadly Legacy", a Coral Ridge Ministries production featuring more than a dozen experts in various fields talking about the connections between Darwin's theories, eugenics, Hitler and abortion.

Its premise is that Darwin's thinking changed the world's perception of people, so instead of considering them made in God's image, they became just another organism. Bloggers Internet-wide as well as the Anti-Defamation League launched their criticism in pointed phrases when the airing was announced.

But Rabbi Daniel Lapin, founder of Toward Tradition, suggested reining in the words just a little.

"Some American Jews may believe that Christian conservatives pose the biggest threat to Judaism. Therefore Jews should insult and attack Christians and suppress dissent by constantly evoking the Holocaust while darkly implying anti-Semitism," he wrote in a column addressing the dispute. "God help Jews if America ever becomes a post-Christian society. Just think of Europe."

D. James Kennedy, the Coral Ridge founder, suggested, "No Darwin, no Hitler."

Producer Jerry Newcomb said the show included WND columnist Ann Coulter, who also wrote the bestselling "Godless: The Church of Liberalism."

[Shammu]

Good grief, didn't they learn anything for Hitler??  The only perfect one, is Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior.

[Brother Jerry]

Well I guess if I could have chosen my genes I would have chosen........the same ones I have now.  I may be getting older, my hair is falling out, and I a bit on the heavy side...but that is what makes me, me.  And I am thankful my parents did not have an opportunity to make little Hitler babies. 

I can see it all now with the ACLU.
You cannot stop a woman from choosing to kill her unborn baby.
You cannot stop a couple from choosing what type of child they are having
But it must be equally blended so that all babies born have equal portions of all species of mankind with the exception of white because they are the most oppressive of man...
I can smell the lawsuit now... "Strong Irish Family sued by ACLU for not planning to have an African American baby" 

[Soldier4Christ]

Not far from the truth, not far at all.

[Pizza_Mahal]

"Some American Jews may believe that Christian conservatives pose the biggest threat to Judaism. Therefore Jews should insult and attack Christians and suppress dissent by constantly evoking the Holocaust while darkly implying anti-Semitism," he wrote in a column addressing the dispute. "God help Jews if America ever becomes a post-Christian society. Just think of Europe."

What? What about Humanist!? Hitler was never Christian even he calm to be. Are Fools trying change history Like Darwin Bible! 

[Shammu]

What? What about Humanist!? Hitler was never Christian even he calm to be. Are Fools trying change history Like Darwin Bible! 

Sorry, I will disagee with you on this.............

To deny the influence of Christianity on Hitler and its role in World War II, means that you must ignore history and forever bar yourself from understanding the source of German anti-Semitism and how the WWII atrocities occurred.

As a boy, Hitler attended to the Catholic church and experienced the anti-Semitic attitude of his culture. In his book, Mein Kampf, Hitler reveals himself as a fanatical believer in God and country.

Hitler's father, though nominally a Catholic, was a freethinker, while his mother was a practising Catholic. According to historian Michael Rissmann young Adolf was influenced in school by Pan-Germanism and Darwinism and began to reject the Church and Catholicism, receiving Confirmation only unwillingly. A boyhood friend reports that after Hitler had left home, he never attended Mass or received the Sacraments. Georg Ritter von Schönerer's writings and the written legacy of his Pan-German Away from Rome! movement, which agitated against the Roman Catholic Church at the end of the 19th century, may have influenced the young Adolf Hitler.

In public statements, especially at the beginning of his rule, Hitler frequently spoke positively about the Christian heritage of German culture and his belief in the "Aryan" Christ. In doing so, he used his "ability to simulate, even to potentially critical Church leaders, an image of a leader keen to uphold and protect Christianity," according to Ian Kershaw. Kershaw adds, that Hitler by this ability also succeeded in appeasing possible Church resistance to anti-Christian Nazi Party radicals.

Was Hitler an atheist as some Christians say he was? Hitler's own words make this claim rather dubious. Scholars are still unsure whether or not Adolf Hitler was a believing Christian or just a politically cunning theist, but what is certain however is there is no evidence he was an atheist.

[Soldier4Christ]

Sorry Brother Bob, I must disagree somewhat. If Hitler was anything he was not Christian. He may have called it Christianity but it was not Christianity. There was no truth in him. Hate cannot live where love abides.

[Shammu]

Hate cannot live where love abides.

We both agree on this though.  I have looked, and read quite a few of his speeches. If you notice though brother, most of these were made back in the 1930's.  Also you have to look at the anti-Semitic views durning the time hitler was raised.    Below are a few of the many statements he made.

“I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so.” - 1940
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“The folkish-minded man, in particular, has the sacred duty, each in his own denomination, of making people stop just talking superficially of God's will, and actually fulfill God's will, and not let God's word be desecrated. For God's will gave men their form, their essence and their abilities. Anyone who destroys His work is declaring war on the Lord's creation, the divine will.” -  Mein Kampf
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“We have experienced a miracle, something unique, something the like of which there has hardly been in the history of the world. God first allowed our people to be victorious for four and a half years, then He abased us, laid upon us a period of shamelessness, but now after a struggle of fourteen years he has permitted us to bring that period to a close. It is a miracle which has been wrought upon the German people. (…) It shows us that the Almighty has not deserted our people, that He received it into favour at the moment when it rediscovered itself. And that our people shall never again lose itself, that must be our vow so long as we shall live and so long as the Lord gives us the strength to carry on the fight.” -  in a speech to the 'Old Guard' of the Party at Munich, March 19, 1934.
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“This human world of ours would be inconceivable without the practical existence of a religious belief.” - 1941
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“While we destroyed the Centre Party, we have not only brought thousands of priests back into the Church, but to millions of respectable people we have restored their faith in their religion and in their priests. The union of the Evangelical Church in a single Church for the whole Reich, the Concordat with the Catholic Church, these are but milestones on the road which leads to the establishment of a useful relation and a useful co operation between the Reich and the two Confessions.” - his New Year Message, January 1, 1934
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“I know that here and there the objection has been raised: Yes, but you have deserted Christianity. No, it is not that we have deserted Christianity; it is those who came before us who deserted Christianity. We have only carried through a clear division between politics, which have to do with terrestrial things, and religion, which must concern itself with the celestial sphere. There has been no interference with the doctrine of the Confessions or with their religious freedom, nor will there be any such interference. On the contrary the State protects religion, though always on the one condition that religion will not be used as a cover for political ends.

“There may have been a time when even parties founded on the ecclesiastical basis were a necessity. At that time Liberalism was opposed to the Church, while Marxism was anti-religious. But that time is past. National Socialism neither opposes the Church nor is it anti-religious, but on the contrary, it stands on the ground of a real Christianity.

“The Church's interests cannot fail to coincide with ours alike in our fight against the symptoms of degeneracy in the world of to-day, in our fight against the Bolshevist culture, against an atheistic movement, against criminality, and in our struggle for the consciousness of a community in our national life, for the conquest of hatred and disunion between the classes, for the conquest of civil war and unrest, of strife and discord. These are not anti-Christian, these are Christian principles.” - in a speech delivered at Koblenz, August 26, 1934.
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“I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty Creator. By warding off the Jews I am fighting for the Lords work.” - in a speech delivered at Reichstag, Berlin, 1936.
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“The judgment whether a people is virtuous or not virtuous can hardly be passed by a human being. That should be left to God.” - in a speech delivered at Wilhelmshaven, April 1, 1939

Though I am in no way supporting the belief system of hitler used.  I am looking at it as a historian, would look.

[Soldier4Christ]

Yes, Brother, Hitler used scripture just as Satan attempted to do with Jesus and he did invoke the name of God much as islam attempts to do today. For that reason many called him Christian. We as true Christians must make sure that we teach the truth. One of the things that many historians overlook is the influence of Darwinism and Marxism on Hitler. Both were a widely accepted belief system in Germany at that time and it is quite evident in Hitlers perfect race beliefs that he supported Darwinism more than Christianity.

We have many today that claim to be Christians but it is not anywhere near Christianity.

[Brother Jerry]

Amen to that PR

I have no problems denouncing that which claims the name of Christ but goes against not what I think, but what the Bible says.

[Shammu]

One of the things that many historians overlook is the influence of Darwinism and Marxism on Hitler. Both were a widely accepted belief system in Germany at that time and it is quite evident in Hitlers perfect race beliefs that he supported Darwinism more than Christianity.

We have many today that claim to be Christians but it is not anywhere near Christianity.

That is true brother, as for Hitler............ only Jesus knows for sure.