Can Salvation be lost?

[nChrist]

Oklahoma Howdy to All,

If a person is once truly Saved, is it possible to do something that would cause a loss of Salvation? Please give a reason for your answer. Again, I will wait to post my thoughts on this issue.

In Christ,
Tom

[Sapphire W34P0N]

Aren't "10 Commandment violation" and "If a person sins" essentially the same thing?

As far as how I feel on the subject, I have heard convincing arguments from both sides of the issue at hand, but if I had to swing one way, I'd have to say yes, if you choose to. There is a verse in the Bible that says that the only unforgiveable sin is turning your back on Christ. I believe this to mean that you choose not to accept him, or you choose to renounce your faith. There are, of course several other things that can be and usually are called into question on this subject, and I really don't know for sure at all.

Just my two cents.

[Tamara]

No Sapphire, all sins are forgiven.  The unforgivable sin is if we blaspheme the Holy Spirit.



Love Tamara

[Sapphire W34P0N]

Haha, you just contradicted yourself.

[Ambassador4Christ]

Eternal = Eternal

[Forrest]

Eternal = Eternal

 True if we could lose it it would not be Eternal

[nChrist]

Eternal = Eternal

Oklahoma Howdy to Ambassador4Christ,

AMEN BROTHER! - I still have to wait to post my opinion because I said that I would.

In Christ,
Tom

[Romans8_1]

I devoted alot of thought and study to this over the years.  My conclusion ... No.  It cannot be lost.  I admit I may be wrong, and will never part fellowship with any Christian over this, but I personally believe it cannot be lost.

Why? .....
1) we have become adopted as son and daughters.  Once you adopt a child, you cannot undo that.  No matter what the child does
2) We are a new creation.  We can submit under the world, but we are still a new creation.  This is not another transformation to go back to the old Creation.
3) We are a new 'Man'.  see #2
4) Once we are saved, our name is written in the book of life.  I don't know of any eraser to erase your name out of the book once it is in.
5) The word that they use in the bible when Pauls says we are "with" him is very special.  This word denotes something that cannot be seperated.  I have heard it explained like this, so beware I am about to paraphrase someone else.  If you have ingrediants on a cookie sheet that represent the makings of a biscuit, then these items are "with" each other.  This word "with" denotes that they can be seperated.  This is not the word "with" that is used in the Bible.  Once you take all those ingrediants and mix them together and bake them in the oven, then no scientist in the world can extract them back into their original ingrediants.  Their properties have been changed and they are "with" each other and cannot be seperated.  This is the word "with" that we see with the Holy Spirit being "with" us.

I could go on and on, but my conclusion is that salvation cannot be lost, or given away.  I can look at my physical father and say you are not my biological father, but that does not make it true.  I have no choice in the matter.  I do believe that we can live in a way that we do not enjoy the benifits of a relationship with Christ, but once we've accepted Him, we are His and we are going to Heaven.  JMO.

[Allinall]

Once saved always saved.  How can I be so sure?  Because I was not saved on my own merit.  I was saved because:

a.  God chose me
b.  God called me to repentance and I obeyed His call
c.  God justified me with the blood of His Son, Jesus Christ

Salvation is not mine to accomplish, it's God's.  I am saved because His sacrifice was acceptable.  He died once for me.  I think the relevence of that statement is often missed.  The Old Testament sacrifice was in lieu of Christ's ultimate sacrifice - but was insufficient, hence the return to sacrifice year after year.  Once Christ died, the demand from God was satisfied.  Once, for all.  Once, for me.  Once saved - always saved.  Not because of what I did or will do, but because of what He has done, perfectly, in my place.

[nChrist]

Oklahoma Howdy to Romans8_1 & Allinall,

AMEN! - Your thoughts and posts were beautiful. Thanks!, I enjoyed them.

In Christ,
Tom

[Tamara]

Haha, you just contradicted yourself.

My apologies.  All sins are forgiven bar ONE.  Blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

[nChrist]

Oklahoma Howdy to All,

I sincerely believe that Salvation is Eternal and can't be lost.

Jesus Christ died on the cross for our sins in our stead. This was Love and Grace from Almighty God, a GIFT for those who will believe and accept Jesus Christ as their personal Lord and Saviour.

This is the GOOD NEWS!, the Gospel of the Grace of God. Grace is undeserved and unearned. Salvation is a PROMISE from Almighty God to those who believe, and ALMIGHTY GOD ALWAYS KEEPS HIS PROMISES.

GOD SAID IT! - IT'S DONE!

In Christ,
Tom

[Tamara]

Amen!!

[Brother Love]

Eternal = Eternal

 True if we could lose it it would not be Eternal

DITTO

Brother Love