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'The Best Guerrilla Force in the World'
Analysts Attribute Hezbollah's Resilience to Zeal, Secrecy and Iranian Funding
By Edward Cody and Molly Moore
Washington Post Foreign Service
Monday, August 14, 2006; A01
BEIRUT, Aug. 14 -- Hezbollah's irregular fighters stood off the modern Israeli army for a month in the hills of southern Lebanon thanks to extraordinary zeal and secrecy, rigorous training, tight controls over the population, and a steady flow of Iranian money to acquire effective weaponry, according to informed assessments in Lebanon and Israel.
"They are the best guerrilla force in the world," said a Lebanese specialist who has sifted through intelligence on Hezbollah for more than two decades and strongly opposes the militant Shiite Muslim movement.
Because Hezbollah was entrenched in friendly Shiite-inhabited villages and underground bunkers constructed in secret over several years, a withering Israeli air campaign and a tank-led ground assault were unable to establish full control over a border strip and sweep it clear of Hezbollah guerrillas -- one of Israel's main declared war aims. Largely as a result, the U.N. Security Council resolution approved unanimously Friday night fell short of the original objectives laid out by Israel and the Bush administration when the conflict began July 12.
As the declared U.N. cease-fire went into effect Monday morning, many Lebanese -- particularly among the Shiites who make up an estimated 40 percent of the population -- had already assessed Hezbollah's endurance as a military success despite the devastation wrought across Lebanon by Israeli bombing.
Hezbollah's staying power on the battlefield came from a classic fish-in-the-sea advantage enjoyed by guerrillas on their home ground, hiding in their own villages and aided by their relatives. Hasan Nasrallah, the Hezbollah leader, summed up the guerrilla strategy in a televised address during the conflict when he said, "We are not a regular army and we will not fight like a regular army."
The group's battlefield resilience also came from an unusual combination of zeal and disciplined military science, said the Lebanese specialist with access to intelligence information, who spoke on condition he not be identified by name.
The fighters' Islamic faith and intense indoctrination reduced their fear of death, he noted, giving them an advantage in close-quarters combat and in braving airstrikes to move munitions from post to post. Hezbollah leaders also enhanced fighters' willingness to risk death by establishing the Martyr's Institute, with an office in Tehran, that guarantees living stipends and education fees for the families of fighters who die on the front.
"If you are waiting for a white flag coming out of the Hezbollah bunker, I can assure you it won't come," Brig. Gen. Ido Nehushtan, a member of the Israeli army's general staff, said in a briefing for reporters in the northern Israeli village of Gosherim. "They are extremists, they will go all the way."
Moreover, Hezbollah's military leadership carefully studied military history, including the Vietnam War, the Lebanese expert said, and set up a training program with help from Iranian intelligence and military officers with years of experience in the Iran-Iraq war of the 1980s. The training was matched to weapons that proved effective against Israeli tanks, he added, including the Merkava main battle tank with advanced armor plating.
Wire-guided and laser-guided antitank missiles were the most effective and deadly Hezbollah weapons, according to Israeli military officers and soldiers. A review of Israel Defense Forces records showed that the majority of Israeli combat deaths resulted from missile hits on armored vehicles -- or on buildings where Israeli soldiers set up observation posts or conducted searches.
Most of the antitank missiles, Israeli officers noted, could be dragged out of caches and quickly fired with two- or three-man launching teams at distances of 3,200 yards or more from their targets. One of the most effective was the Russian-designed Sagger 2, a wire-guided missile with a range of 550 to 3,200 yards.
In one hidden bunker, Israeli soldiers discovered night-vision camera equipment connected to computers that fed coordinates of targets to the Sagger 2 missile, according to Israeli military officials who described the details from photographs they said soldiers took inside the bunker.
Some antitank missiles also can be used to attack helicopters, which has limited the military's use of choppers in rescues and other operations. On Saturday, Hezbollah shot down a CH-53 Sikorsky helicopter in Lebanon, killing all five crew members, according to the Israeli military. As of late Sunday, Israeli troops still had been unable to retrieve the bodies because of fierce fighting in the area of the crash.
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The Hezbollah arsenal, which also included thousands of missiles and rockets to be fired against northern Israel's towns and villages, was paid for with a war chest kept full by relentless fundraising among Shiites around the world and, in particular, by funds provided by Iran, said the intelligence specialist. The amount of Iranian funds reaching Hezbollah was estimated at $25 million a month, but some reports suggested it increased sharply, perhaps doubled, after Mahmoud Ahmadinejad took over as president in Tehran last year, the specialist said.
Fawaz Trabulsi, a Lebanese professor who helped lead Palestinian-allied militia forces against the Israeli army in 1982, noted that Hezbollah's fight has differed in several respects from that mounted by the Palestine Liberation Organization during the 1980s. In that war, Israeli forces punched straight northward and reached Beirut in a few days with only minor resistance, he recalled, saying Israeli officers seemed to think they could duplicate that performance against Hezbollah.
One reason for the sharp difference is that Israeli intelligence had much less detail on Hezbollah forces, tactics and equipment than it had on the PLO, which was infiltrated by a network of spies, said Trabulsi, now a political science professor at Lebanese American University. "Hezbollah is not penetrated at all," he said.
Nehushtan, the Israeli general, said the Israeli military had enough information to appreciate the fighting ability and weaponry of Hezbollah as the conflict opened. In addition, Israeli warplanes have hit pinpoint targets throughout the fighting, presumably on the basis of real-time intelligence reaching the Defense Ministry in Tel Aviv through drones and other surveillance equipment. Other observers, however, said the sweep of fighting over the last month -- when Israel on several occasions said it controlled the terrain, only to continue fighting in the same border villages -- suggested intelligence had not provided an adequate appreciation of the battlefield.
"I think it's no secret that the Israeli military didn't have the intelligence on this," said Richard Straus, who publishes the Middle East Policy Survey newsletter in Washington. "They didn't know what Hezbollah had, how it had built up, what it was capable of."
Another difference that gave Hezbollah fighters an edge is the experience they acquired in combating Israeli troops during the nearly two decades of Israeli occupation in southern Lebanon that ended in 2000. In contrast, Palestinian guerrillas had gained most of their experience fighting Lebanese militias in the civil war here -- using nothing more than assault rifles and rocket-propelled grenades -- and were unprepared and unequipped to resist the advance of Israel's modern army.
"The difference is in training, the difference is in weapons, but the big difference is that most of the Palestinians had never engaged in fighting Israel," Trabulsi said. "They were used to fighting a civil war in Lebanon."
Hezbollah's resistance to penetration by Israeli intelligence was part of a culture of secrecy extreme even by the standards of underground guerrilla forces. The code fit with a tendency toward secrecy in the Shiite stream of Islam, called faqih . It also fit with a sense of solidarity against others that Lebanese Shiites have been imbued with since the beginning of their emergence as a political force in the mid-1970s, when their first organization was called the Movement of the Deprived.
One young Lebanese doctor learned that her brother had been a Hezbollah fighter for several years only when the movement notified her he had been killed, colleagues said. Similarly, a Lebanese man found out his brother was a senior Hezbollah militia officer only when informed of his death; the brother had cloaked occasional trips to Tehran by saying he was trying to start an import-export business.
Reporters who over the last month went to the bombed-out sections of southern Beirut suburbs where Hezbollah had its headquarters were approached within minutes by young men asking who they were and what they were doing there. Interviews with the people living there, most of whom were ardent Hezbollah supporters, were not allowed, the young men said. Around the battlefields of south Lebanon, however, the militia was busy fighting Israeli troops and hiding from airstrikes.
Reporters were free to move as much as they dared, since they, too, feared being hit by Israeli jets.
Even the movement's political leadership was kept in the dark about many military and intelligence activities, Trabulsi noted. Ghaleb Abu-Zeinab, a member of Hezbollah's political bureau, said in an interview, for instance, that he was not informed about operations on "the field," Hezbollah shorthand for the villages and hillsides across southern Lebanon where the battle raged.
"They have a military and intelligence organization totally separated from the political organization," Trabulsi said.
A dramatic example of the secrecy and careful preparations for conflict with Israel was Hezbollah's al-Manar television. The station has kept broadcasting its mix of news and propaganda from hidden studios throughout the fighting, despite repeated Israeli airstrikes against relay towers and antennas across the country. Lebanese said some of the broadcasts seemed to include coded messages to Hezbollah fighters in southern Lebanon. But as with most things about Hezbollah, they were not really sure.
Nasrallah, the Hezbollah leader, used al-Manar to make a number of speeches rallying his followers and explaining his strategy. With his cleric's turban and student's mien, appearing on the screen in pre-taped broadcasts, he was perhaps the biggest secret of all, hunted by Israeli warplanes and hiding in a location about which Lebanese could only guess.
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A Christian Site Grapples With Muslim Mysteries
By TOM ZELLER Jr.
WHEN Israel and Hezbollah began trading blows last month, the community at RR, a fundamentalist Christian site dedicated to the proposition that the end times are near, was atwitter, taking the conflict as another sign of an impending judgment day. Quotes from — and links to — the site’s forums became a hot commodity on the blog circuit (“I have been having rapture dreams and I can’t believe that this is really it!”), causing a brief service collapse when forum traffic spiked.
But the chatter is back — although a user named Kathe advised members that “we must all (including me) watch our words carefully. Our Christian witness (or lack thereof) might make the difference with someone coming here for answers.”
To wit, with terror attacks on the West — including the airline bomb plot foiled in Britain last week — being a bit of a deviation from the rapture script, several of the forum’s faithful could be found politely exchanging Christian guidance on a central question: What do you do with a problem like a Muslim? Excerpts follow.
From: Resting in Him
Date: Aug. 10, 11:55 a.m.
“I know this is extreme, but am I wrong in thinking that we should close our borders to Muslims and evacuating a few who are already here? In fact, I’m wondering if all Muslim mosques, which are a haven for perpetrating hate against us, shouldn’t be closed down.”
From: MidnightCry
Date: Aug. 10, 2:22 p.m.
“Nope, you’re not wrong! The evil-tolerant, liberal-minded, turban-hugging people in this country have been blinded by Satan himself and the result has been the frog in the ol’ pot trick. And we fell for it! After 9/11, in my opinion, we should have allowed racial profiling and deported those that fit the bill. But now we are sitting ducks. Not a matter of if, but when!”
From: Werner
Date: Aug. 10, 5:18 p.m.
“Have you thought through the logic of this? How many Muslims are American citizens? ... Should we force them to wear a little red crescent badge? If you can outlaw and deport Muslims then you can do the same to any religion or faith. The way to defeat Islam is to share with them the Gospel.
“... I’m not suggesting Islam is a religion of peace. I’m suggesting that few of the billion or more Muslims are true to the religion of Islam and thus do not constitute an immediate threat. It is a war against Islam we are fighting even if no one wants to admit it. But those born into the Muslim religion are more in bondage to it than they are followers of it.”
The following user, called 831, was upset by a television interview of young Muslims, who expressed the idea that the West should suffer some of the war and strife that Muslims are experiencing in the Middle East.
From: 831
Date: Aug. 10, 5:33 p.m.
“These people are just plain sick! They believe that they would be justified in the deaths of innocent people in the west just because of the fighting in the Middle East. These people are sad! Very, very sad people!
“... I too believe that they should get rid of any Muslims with our countries & also close down these mosques. If this is how these people think then they should go & live in the countries that hold the same ideals as they do. But they would soon find out that these same countries would not allow them to have the same life stiles they have here or to be able to do the same things as they do here.“
From: Myth Buster
Date: Aug. 10, 5:40 p.m.
“You can’t shut down every mosque and deport every Muslim, it’s unconstitutional. A better idea is to spy on the mosques, especially since no proselytizing religion is ever going to tell anyone they can’t come in. How else can one win converts but that they first hear the message?”
From: Resting in Him
Date: Aug. 10, 7:31 p.m.
“Werner, I hear what you are saying, and you are right, I didn’t really think it through thoroughly. Other than exposing these people to the gospel and hoping they get saved, there really isn’t any way of preventing the threats than by what we are already doing through the various law enforcement agencies.“
From: Ole Shosty
Date: Aug. 10, 8:59 p.m.
“Help me — I don’t want to appear rude, ugly, racist or otherwise. But I will never understand why we as Westerners try to bend over backwards to appease a religion that teaches violence towards those outside its belief system. ... Islam is not some country that just has differing political views — these are people who are ensnared by a demon, if not Satan himself, going by the name Allah.
“No one is suggesting they be subjected to the horrors of concentration camp, or beaten and arrested on site. But what would be wrong with at least an immediate cessation of all incoming Muslims/Arabs, and perhaps a watch list or even eventual deportation of those in the country?”
From: Livin’4Him
Date: Aug. 10, 9:17 p.m.
“I’m not trying to argue at all, but only trying to understand how we are supposed to reach those that have only hate and killing in their hearts? And for the Muslims that do not feel this way, I feel sorry for them. They all are in my prayers, but for the ones that aren’t yet to the point of wanting to kill, do you believe they will stay peaceful long? Even the peaceful ones are dedicated and I believe will also rise up soon to join the rest.”
From: Ole Shosty
Date: Aug. 10, 9:25 p.m.
“I agree with a lot of what you’re saying as well except that we still have a duty to witness to anyone whom God brings before us. The probability of success is not anything we need to concern ourselves with, but rather the duty to give the word that God has given us to all who can hear.”
From: Livin’4Him
Date: Aug. 10, 9:34 p.m.
“Oh, I agree. As I stated, I would witness to a Muslim if I could, but the problem with where I live, they are not nice people. My daughter works at a 7-Eleven store and her boss is Muslim and he’s not exactly the nicest person to work for. We just haven’t had any good experiences with them.”
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I saw that article. It figures that it would be in the New York Times. The manner in which it was written I couldn't make up my mind if they were making fun of Christians or what.
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Quote from: Pastor Roger on August 14, 2006, 03:10:00 PM
I saw that article. It figures that it would be in the New York Times. The manner in which it was written I couldn't make up my mind if they were making fun of Christians or what.
They are making fun of Christians. I took out the link to the forum, and checked out the quotes, they are only partial quotes. Just about all of them are out of context.
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Quote from: Pastor Roger on August 14, 2006, 03:17:46 PM
Yep, that figures.
The only one quoted in full, was that by Kathe, and her “we must all (including me) watch our words carefully. Our Christian witness (or lack thereof) might make the difference with someone coming here for answers.”
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