Forgivance of Sins

[RKJ]

Sometime ago I got this thought in my mind that

"Jesus has forgiven my sins - past, present and future"

It was a great releif to proceed on this line.  Yes,  when Jesus pleaded for forgiveness of my sins, then it is not limited to sins-till-date, but also the future ones.  The upside of it was that I was freed from the fear of falling or backsliding.  I feld liberated in many ways.

The dangerous downside of it is that it appears as though there is still allowance for sin.  i mean, my quota of forgiven sin is not over/exhausted and I might as well use them!!

So it appears, i can keep this thought to myself and not tell anyone

I could not really pinpoint any bible verse to endorse/refute this statement.  But I want to be clear in my thinking.

So I seek you all bible verse quoters to endorse/refute this statement and help me know it black/white.

Again if you think this is a misleading topic please take it off.  I am for private discussion.

[Shammu]

Although we are asked to sin no more.

John 8:11 She answered, No one, Lord! And Jesus said, I do not condemn you either. Go on your way and from now on sin no more.
1 Corinthians 15:34 Awake [ from your drunken stupor and return] to sober sense and your right minds, and sin no more. For some of you have not the knowledge of God [you are utterly and willfully and disgracefully ignorant, and continue to be so, lacking the sense of God's presence and all true knowledge of Him]. I say this to your shame.

Here are a few for you.....................

Jeremiah 31:34 And they will no more teach each man his neighbor and each man his brother, saying, Know the Lord, for they will all know Me [recognize, understand, and be acquainted with Me], from the least of them to the greatest, says the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will [seriously] remember their sin no more.
Matthew 26:28 For this is My blood of the new covenant, which [ ratifies the agreement and] is being poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.
Mark 1:4 John the Baptist appeared in the wilderness (desert), preaching a baptism [ obligating] repentance ( a change of one's mind for the better, heartily amending one's ways, with abhorrence of his past sins) in order to obtain forgiveness of and release from sins.
Luke 1:77 To bring and give the knowledge of salvation to His people in the forgiveness and remission of their sins.
Acts 2:38 And Peter answered them, Repent (change your views and purpose to accept the will of God in your inner selves instead of rejecting it) and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of and release from your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Acts 10:43 To Him all the prophets testify (bear witness) that everyone who believes in Him [who adheres to, trusts in, and relies on Him, giving himself up to Him] receives forgiveness of sins through His name.
Acts 13:38 So let it be clearly known and understood by you, brethren, that through this Man forgiveness and removal of sins is now proclaimed to you;
Acts 26:18 To open their eyes that they may turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan to God, so that they may thus receive forgiveness and release from their sins and a place and portion among those who are consecrated and purified by faith in Me.
Colossians 1:14 In Whom we have our redemption through His blood, [which means] the forgiveness of our sins.
Hebrews 10:18 Now where there is absolute remission (forgiveness and cancellation of the penalty) of these [sins and lawbreaking], there is no longer any offering made to atone for sin.

[RKJ]

Dreamweaver, you endorse.. .  Actually nobody seemed to explicitly teach this, perhaps because of the possible bad results.

[Shammu]

No, I don't endorse this at all. I try to follow, the "Sin no more."  Which is why, I highlighted "sin no more."

[Soldier4Christ]

While we may yet sin while in the fleash if we are truly saved we will feel guilt for having done so. There may be times that we sin unintentionally and for that reason we are covered by His blood for those sins. God did this because He knows that we are weak and He is a merciful God.

We are told by Paul: 

Rom 6:1  What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Rom 6:2  God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

If we purposefully and with intent continue to sin, saying oh well God will forgive me, then we are not following what we are told. If we love Him, we will do whatever we can to please Him. To please Him is to attempt to do what is righteous. Yes, while we are in the flesh we will make mistakes and we will sin. As we are told God knows what is in our hearts. He knows if we unintentionally sinned or if we did so with a complete disregard for what He has told us.

[RKJ]

While we may yet sin while in the fleash if we are truly saved we will feel guilt for having done so. There may be times that we sin unintentionally and for that reason we are covered by His blood for those sins. God did this because He knows that we are weak and He is a merciful God.

Actually I was meaning the unintendend sins only.  I strongly beleive and obey that sinful habits should stop, and I have been able to overcome all of them (to my knowledge) by His grace.  I am sure He will continue to pull out weeds.

It was the uniinended sins that i ws bothered about.  I may not intend it, but by my sinful nature i may hurt someone or myself.   And that may be a multitude of them!! .  That was my worry.  I did not want to lose witness by that and the guilt (false guilt i suppose).

I want to strongly beleive that 'all my past sins are forgiven following repentance and confession through His Grace and i should tread very carefully thereafter'.  But the fear of losing witness was kind of limiting me in various ways.  it stopped me from going all out.  Something kept telling me that I was not going to make it till the end.  That is when the thought came to me that by His Grace I will be able to....as all my sins are forgiven (will be forgiven when with true repentance and confession).  I did go through the Bible and sort of got convinced.

This releived me to a great extent and encouraging to step out for Jesus.

I echo again that it was the unintended sins i implied and not continuing in the old sinful ways

[nChrist]

Hello RKJ,

Brother, the Holy Spirit of God will help us, lead, us, and guide us. All Christians should know that sin should be avoided for our testimony before men and our fellowship with JESUS. However, we should also know that we will never be perfect while we are still fighting the flesh of these corruptible bodies every day. The Bible tells us that even the thought is a sin, but this is not something that should make us paranoid or make us feel defeated. It's simply a fact that all Christians have need to pray for forgiveness on a regular basis. We can't completely defeat the flesh in this short life, but we should have the desire to try and battle it day by day. I think that the Apostle Paul described it well as a warring within himself. We should all know that GOD is still perfecting us for eternity, and that work won't be completely finished until HE has given us our glorified bodies.  BUT, there is joy in the absolute fact that the Blood of JESUS on the Cross is more than sufficient to forgive our sins, and GOD does love to hear our prayers.

Christians feeling bad when they sin is the work of the Holy Spirit and our hearts that want to please GOD by not sinning against HIM. GOD knows that no man was ever able to keep the whole Law, and this led up to the most precious event in human history, JESUS dying on the Cross in our place for the payment of our sins. Some people let the devil convince them that their salvation is lost because of a sin, but GOD wants us to know that we can pray for forgiveness and it will be granted. We should remember that sin hurts our LORD and hurts our testimony for HIM. BUT, we can pray, pray some more, and ask GOD to help us to do and say only the things that will bring Glory to HIM. Our Loving Heavenly Father knows that we won't be completely without sin in this short life, but HE will help us if we only pray and ask.

Brother, it's really a beautiful thing when we consider our Walk in the Spirit, GOD'S great Grace and Love that HE so freely gives us, and our faith in Him that justifies us. It's beautiful because we should all know that we will never be justified by the law. Our only victories are in JESUS, our precious Lord and Saviour forever.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Galatians 5:4-6 NASB  You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace. For we through the Spirit, by faith, are waiting for the hope of righteousness. For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything, but faith working through love.

[RKJ]

Totally agree.  The realization that I am not under sin's control came because of what He did on the cross.  I can never boast of my efforts.  Praying and remaining under His blood is all I can do in the present, thus future.   I continue to do so everyday lest I become self righteous.

I am very careful in not doing so.  I guard my tongue and actions in that manner. 

I know you guys have explained enough But still... can you say categorically?

Jesus has forgiven sins - past, present and future

1. Yeah, that's true
2. No, It is not true
3. Its is very misleading and unnecessary
4. can't imagine you are asking me
5. Others ------------------------------ (in about 5 words! 'You stink' is not allowed )

[Soldier4Christ]

Number 5. Other.

Such a question cannot be answered with such short multiple answers. It requires a more lengthy explanation which several have given above.

[nChrist]

Hello RKJ,

I can't do it in five words, but I'll try to get close.  :D  If we talk about Salvation alone, we are quickened into the Kingdom of Heaven, sealed by the Holy Spirit, and made a member of the BODY OF CHRIST at the moment of Salvation. YES, it was finished on the Cross of Calvary!

Love In Christ,
Tom

Hebrews 10:19-23 NASB  Therefore, brethren, since we have confidence to enter the holy place by the blood of Jesus, by a new and living way which He inaugurated for us through the veil, that is, His flesh, and since we have a great priest over the house of God, let us draw near with a sincere heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water. Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for He who promised is faithful;

[RKJ]

Got it!! Thank You Dreamweaver, Pastor Roger and Blackeyedpeas!!

You guys are real stalwarts in Christ.  You all fragment every issue easily and pack them well.  Guess, it is all byproduct of a long walk with Jesus!!

[RKJ]

This statement can never be uttered in a gathering.
It may be used when having a one-to-one conversation
Its got to be well presented with proper explanation
Only when detailing salvation

Gotcha

[nChrist]

This statement can never be uttered in a gathering.
It may be used when having a one-to-one conversation
Its got to be well presented with proper explanation
Only when detailing salvation

Gotcha ;)

Hello RKJ,

Yes, it really should be presented with proper explanation, and that would be a must for a babe in Christ especially. I look at Salvation as the first step, and the new Christian is really not going to be happy until they gain strength, study the Bible, pray, start yielding to the Will of GOD, and start a lengthy walk in the Spirit. If we talked about the quality and quantity of our fellowship with JESUS, we would be talking about many more things that all lead to greater joy and strength in JESUS.

This is one reason why I feel bad about babes in Christ who are deserted shortly after they become saved. Someone needs to feed them, nurture them, and show them the way to become strong Christians.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Colossians 2:2 NASB  that their hearts may be encouraged, having been knit together in love, and attaining to all the wealth that comes from the full assurance of understanding, resulting in a true knowledge of God's mystery, that is, Christ Himself,

[RKJ]

This is one reason why I feel bad about babes in Christ who are deserted shortly after they become saved. Someone needs to feed them, nurture them, and show them the way to become strong Christians.

AMEN!   I also feel that we Christians should stop collecting tickmarks to our 'souls list'.  Instead, prepare and arm themselves with love, support, guidance and strength of the Holy Spirit and be ready to walk the extra mile for His sake (not for our 'satisfaction').  We all should stop referring them to Pastors/Elders and keeping away, but also be a part of their reformation and growing.

[nChrist]

Amen RKJ!

I'm sorry to be late in answering this. I completely agree with you. In all reality, the work of mentoring, teaching, encouraging, and strengthening each other belongs to all of us. There is no irony that we receive a blessing from GOD and joy in working with the babes in Christ. It's also true that we can learn from the babes and know that GOD reveals much that we can all benefit from. "Out of the mouths of babes" is not just an irony, rather a reality, and all Christians can learn together. I honestly believe that's the way that GOD intended it to encourage our love and fellowship with each other.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Philippians 4:6 NASB  Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God.