Osama alive, well, armed with nukes

[Soldier4Christ]

Journalist: Al-Qaida chief shuttles
between Pakistan, Afghanistan

Rumors of Osama bin Laden's death are greatly exaggerated and the al-Qaida leader is preparing his next video broadcast to be aired on al-Jazeera, reports an acclaimed Pakistani journalist who has interviewed him.

In an exclusive interview with Paul L. Williams, author of the new book,  “The Dunces of Doomsday,” and David Dastych in Joseph Farah’s G2 Bulletin, Hamid Mir says bin Laden is not only alive and well but in the process of preparing a video-taped appearance for al-Jazeera, the Qatari Arabian news network.

Mir, who conducted the only post-9/11 interviews with bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahiri, says that he remains in sporadic indirect contact with the elusive emir and other al-Qaida officials.

During one of Mir's interviews, bin Laden announced that he had managed to acquire nuclear weapons for use in the great jihad against the United States.

"It is not difficult [to obtain tactical nukes]," the al-Qaida chieftain said, "not if you have contacts in Russia with other militant groups. They are available for $10 million and $20 million."

Just over a month ago, on March 15, Rep. Curt Weldon, R-Pa., told the Philadelphia Inquirer that bin Laden had died of natural causes in Iran. The source for Weldon's monumental announcement was an Iranian exile with the codename Ali. "Ali," he said, "told me that Osama bin Laden is dead. He died in Iran."

Weldon has long insisted that bin Laden had found sanctuary in Iran. In June 2005, the Pennsylvania congressman exclaimed: "I'm confident that I know for sure that bin Laden has been in and out of Iran. Two years ago, he was in the southern town of Ladis, 10 kilometers inside the Pakistan border. I also know that earlier this year he had a meeting with al-Zarqawi in Iran. If you look at the recent comments coming out of the CIA and some of our military generals, they're now acknowledging the same thing that I've been saying -- that, in fact, he's been in and out of Iran."

Weldon's comments made headlines throughout the country.

But contrary to accounts by Weldon, Mir maintains that bin Laden found shelter in the frontier regions of Pakistan, not Iran, in the wake of the bombing of his mountain fortress at Tora Bora. Among the Pashtun tribes, bin Laden remained protected by the Islamic code of mimesis, which demands protection for fellow Muslims who seek shelter in their country -- even if such shelter means risking their lives.

From 2002 to 2004, bin Laden spent most of his time in the valley of Dir, about 50 miles from the Afghan border on the Kunar Province. Dir remains within the Malakand Pass, the site of some of the fiercest skirmishes under the British Raj. A Pakistani fort still stands where the young Winston Churchill shot down rebels and received a citation for heroism. The fort is presently occupied by Maulvi Sufi Mohamad, an old and revered Muslim scholar, who maintains a Taliban-style rule of the area with public executions of adulterers, homosexuals, apostates and Christian infidels. It was an area in which bin Laden felt quite at home.

Despite the $25 million bounty the U.S. government placed on his head -- a bounty that is proclaimed by thousands of Pashtu-language leaflets that are dropped by U.S. aircraft on a regular basis, bin Laden felt secure enough to travel to other parts of Pakistan, including periodic trips to Peshawar and the smuggler-infested bazaar town of Rabate J'ali, north of Zahedan, within the center of "the Devil's Triangle," the conjunction of the borders of Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iran.

In 2004, according to Mir, bin Laden resettled in the Kunar province of eastern Afghanistan, only to return to the tribal regions of Pakistan in 2005.

Mir maintains bin Laden now regularly moves from both locations with little fear of capture. The Pakistani journalist says that his beliefs in this regard have been confirmed by Gen. Richard Myers and other leading American military officials.

Mir's account of the present whereabouts of the elusive emir confirms a story published by WorldNetDaily Aug. 6, 2005.

Bin Laden, according to Mir, has recently met with Mullah Omar in Afghanistan and will appear on al-Jazeera, the Arab news network, with "a very important message" for the American people within the immediate future.

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Ppl,

Maybe, maybe the following will not take place...   Maybe history will condemn Paul L. Williams' writings, prove Henry Gruver to be wrong, point out that the threats of Osama are hollow and in vain. Maybe the actions that are taken now by the US are futile; in that the enemy is powerless beyond its own borders, except for some carbom-like attacks. Maybe we all can go to sleep and wake up in the merry wonderland called pre-trib.

And maybe not...

Maybe the rapture you all are seeking is the total demise of the USA by thermo-nuclear eradication as it is written :
Jer 51:29   And the land shall tremble and sorrow: for every purpose of the LORD shall be performed against Babylon, to make the land of Babylon a desolation without an inhabitant.
Jer 51:30   The mighty men of Babylon have forborn to fight, they have remained in [their] holds: their might hath failed; they became as women: they have burned her dwellingplaces; her bars are broken.

Jer 50:40   As God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah and the neighbour [cities] thereof, saith the LORD; [so] shall no man abide there, neither shall any son of man dwell therein.
Jer 50:41   Behold, a people shall come from the north, and a great nation, and many kings shall be raised up from the coasts of the earth.
Jer 50:42   They shall hold the bow and the lance: they [are] cruel, and will not shew mercy: their voice shall roar like the sea, and they shall ride upon horses, [every one] put in array, like a man to the battle, against thee, O daughter of Babylon.
Jer 50:43   The king of Babylon hath heard the report of them, and his hands waxed feeble: anguish took hold of him, [and] pangs as of a woman in travail.

Why else would He cry out

Rev 18:4   And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
Rev 18:7   How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.

For the information that is avaliable to us does not describe the EU in nuclear peril...  yet describe the EU rising above every nation, with a currency that dictates the rest of the world, on the other hand the USA is in peril, and I can not recall any prophecic utterance that the EU mainland might be in danger ; yet Osama threathens the USA and its allies with a nuclear winter.

That winter (and not the rapture) will be soon upon us; you may ask why ? The answer is easy :

Dan 8:7   And I saw him come close unto the ram, and he was moved with choler against him, and smote the ram, and brake his two horns: and there was no power in the ram to stand before him, but he cast him down to the ground, and stamped upon him: and there was none that could deliver the ram out of his hand.

But further on He writes :

Dan 12:12   Blessed [is] he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
Dan 12:13   But go thou thy way till the end [be]: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.

So, dear american friends, when the End has come for your part we here will continue until we will see that glorious day where the Sign of the Son of Man will be seen on the mount of Olives in all His beauty and splendour, and these days will only be a distant memory.

Regards,
2b

[Bronzesnake]

I might be afraid for my American friends, except for the obvious fact that your Biblical, and prophetic knowledge is severely wanting my friend!

John

[twobombs]

I hope I, and thousands upon thousands are wrong and you and those who stand with you are right 

but the proof will be in the (radioactive ) pudding, and until then ;

1Cr 13:9   For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
1Cr 13:10   But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

1Cr 13:12      For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

[Shammu]

Maybe the rapture you all are seeking is the total demise of the USA by thermo-nuclear eradication as it is written :
Jer 51:29   And the land shall tremble and sorrow: for every purpose of the LORD shall be performed against Babylon, to make the land of Babylon a desolation without an inhabitant.
Jer 51:30   The mighty men of Babylon have forborn to fight, they have remained in [their] holds: their might hath failed; they became as women: they have burned her dwellingplaces; her bars are broken.

And yet 2B, you have read something that isn't there. Perhaps the United States will be destroyed by WMD's. Yet you make Prophecies, that aren't there. You call the United States Babylon, yet scripture doesn't support you.

Lets take a look at scripture.....

Revelation 17: tells who mystery Babylon is..........

3: So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
4: And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
5: And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
6: And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
7: And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.
Notice in the above scripture in verse 5 that there is a comma between the words MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

This divides the title of this woman into four parts.
She is a Mystery.
She is Babylon the Great.
She the mother of harlots.
She the mother of abominations of the earth.

18: And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.
In the 17th chapter there are a number of things that God tells us about this woman, but the things that stand out to me are these.

She is a mystery, she is considered to be great, she is the mother of harlots, she is the mother of abominations, and she is that great city that rules over the kings of the earth.
One thing to consider is that although we call her mystery Babylon, God himself never did. He said that she would be a mystery and called her Babylon the great but never called her mystery Babylon. We call her that but he didn’t, which is something to consider.

God gave us the first glimpse of her in Revelation 14:8:
Revelation 14:
8: And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.
Many people believe that Babylon of Revelation 14:8 and Babylon the great in Revelation 17:5 are two separate Babylon’s. But when you look real close you will see that this is not the case but will find rather convincing similarities that they are one and the same.

The reasoning that some have is that the woman in Rev. 17 is called mystery Babylon and the city in Revelation 14: 8 is only called Babylon. Believing that one is a mystery and the other is the actual city of Babylon in modern day Iraq. If a person believes that the city that Saddam Hussein is trying to rebuild is going to make all nations drink of the wrath of her fornications and that she will be a great city before the time of the end then they are stretching their imaginations to the limit. This rebuild Babylon is nothing more than a museum or tourist attraction, something for Saddam Hussein to amuse himself with.

God promised in Jeremiah 51:37 saying that Babylon would never amount to anything again after the invasion of the Medes and Persians. This has come to pass. There have only been two cities that stand out as ruling nations and people these cities were Babylon and Rome. Babylon went under and will never rise to become anything that will be called great again. Since this is the case, and I believe it to be, then the Babylon of Rev. 14:8 has to be as much a mystery as the woman in Rev. 17:5, unless of course someone can tell us who it is.

1 Pet 5:13 The church that is at Babylon, elected together with you, saluteth you; and so doth Marcus my son.

Peter is not speaking of the ancient Babylon; it was in ruins. Peter was referring to the city from which he wrote his epistle; it was a city of idolatry, the city of Rome.

Rev 14:8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.

The Babylon mentioned in the book of Revelation is a center of idol worship; it is a city that encourages people to engage in false religious worship. Spiritual Babylon will someday be destroyed for leading people into idolatry.

Rome is the center or hub for world trade in that part of the world. She is rich in merchandise. Everything you can imagine is bought sold or traded for in the city of Rome. She is the hub for all the railroads joining Europe, Asia and the Middle East. She is also one of the worlds leading tourist attractions. People visit there from all over the world. She is the religious center when coming to Christianity in that part of the world. Most of the people in that part of the world are not Protestant, but are Catholic by faith.

She will ride the back of the anti-Christ nations trying to assure her a position. The leadership will come out of the religion that comes out of her. The pope will declare the anti-Christ to be God. He will be the false prophet at that time. There are only two basic religions in that part of the world. They are the Muslim and Christian beliefs. The Christian belief in that part of the world is a majority of Catholics.
This is the Iron and the Clay in the man’s feet from the book of Daniel. The Iron is the religion that came out of the two legs of the Roman Empire; the clay is the Muslim religion. This is the main reason the two do not mix well. They will work together for a period of time under the leadership of the anti-Christ.

Rev 16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

I am not putting down the Catholics. I know many Catholics who are good Christian people. But during that time many will be deceived into following a Pope that will lead them into following the anti-Christ. This again is why God gives this warning in Revelation the 18th Chapter. I am sure that there will be a great deal of God loving Catholics who will recognize the situation and give their lives for Jesus keeping the faith.

There are so many people so quick to condemn and make a monster of our nation. (Like you do all the time 2B.)  Our sins are many for sure, but we have and still have many Christians in this country that love God. Even with all the rich Christian background America has never truly been the Christian nation people would like to think. Our Christian ancestry was so bigoted and racially prejudiced it is unbelievable. God has been very merciful to us. Praise his Holy nam

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I am not putting down the Catholics. I know many Catholics who are good Christian people. But during that time many will be deceived into following a Pope that will lead them into following the anti-Christ. This again is why God gives this warning in Revelation the 18th Chapter. I am sure that there will be a great deal of God loving Catholics who will recognize the situation and give their lives for Jesus keeping the faith.

Being good doesn't mean they are saved though, right?  Only faith in our Lord Jesus Christ is needed.

With regards to Babylonian mystery in revelation.  There are alot of interpretations that is going out.  One of the interpretation that i heard since i was teenager was the roman Catholic Church coz' some people say that most of their teaching is gnostic(?).   Some say, well, i read these past few year is the USA. And others still say it's Iraq/Iran coz' that is where the Babylon where King Nebucadnezar kngdom was; and that is where the tower of Babel is.  Others also said it's the EU.  Where ever it is?  We should be vigilant coz' many wolves will come in sheep clothing.

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Hi DW and all,

Once again I hope you are right; but as i've proven the last 4 years on this forum; pretrib theology has so many holes and assumptions that shooting even more holes in it is no longer fun   Adding the single shred of 'evidence' in 1 Pet 5:13 only adds injury to insult.

It is sad that such theology ill-prepares a whole generation of Christians both in the EU and across the pond, thinking the'll be lifted into the heavens whilst nothing less then a post-apocalyptic countdown to the second coming is waiting and will remain for them as they sought to disobey:

Rev 18:4   And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

People will be so disappointed when they will see the ruinious heaps of that what was once the centre of the world, whilsts grappling to get unconaminated water for them and their kin, as they see and hear the ongoing genocide upon the Jews in the Holy land where in those days the land will be full and trampled by heathens, spilled innocent blood.

Katherina proved to all that the USA is not prepared, as it was prophecied by Henry Gruver and Ezechiel 38.

And no, DW, this is not a personal attack, if it is anything it is a plea to come to terms with the reality that will haunt many in the coming days, months and years that are between now and the glorious Second Coming. See the term Babylon in a broader sense then 1st century Rome and a bunch of guys walking in a funny wardrobe.

These no longer rule the world; others do that ( for them )

Regards,
2b

[Shammu]

pretrib theology has so many holes and assumptions that shooting even more holes in it is no longer fun

Revelations 3:7-11 7And to the angel (messenger) of the assembly (church) in Philadelphia write: These are the words of the Holy One, the True One, He Who has the key of David, Who opens and no one shall shut, Who shuts and no one shall open: 8 I know your [record of] works and what you are doing. See! I have set before you a door wide open which no one is able to shut; I know that you have but little power, and yet you have kept My Word and guarded My message and have not renounced or denied My name. 9 Take note! I will make those of the synagogue of Satan who say they are Jews and are not, but lie--behold, I will make them come and bow down before your feet and learn and acknowledge that I have loved you. 10 Because you have guarded and kept My word of patient endurance [have held fast the lesson of My patience with the expectant endurance that I give you], I also will keep you [safe] from the hour of trial (testing) which is coming on the whole world to try those who dwell upon the earth. 11 I am coming quickly; hold fast what you have, so that no one may rob you and deprive you of your crown

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King David wasn't raptured nor hinting towards it when he wrote :

Psa 91:7   A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; [but] it shall not come nigh thee.
Psa 91:8   Only with thine eyes shalt thou behold and see the reward of the wicked.
Psa 91:9   Because thou hast made the LORD, [which is] my refuge, [even] the most High, thy habitation;

But enjoy your evening anyhow; with petrol on $74 , gold on $639 , and tactical nukes in Osama's hands bent on the destruction of "the great satan"
I hope you'll agree with me that we'll both will see Osama's speech on Al-Jazeera, the bombardments on Iran , its consequences and our reflections regarding this end-time-matter

Enjoyed talking to you, must go to sleep now [ cape town time here ]
2b

[Shammu]

2B I can see, we will never agree, except for Jesus is our Savior.   So on that note seems we'll have to agree, to disagree. But you and I have butted heads many times.

[Bronzesnake]

Revelations 3:7-11 7And to the angel (messenger) of the assembly (church) in Philadelphia write: These are the words of the Holy One, the True One, He Who has the key of David, Who opens and no one shall shut, Who shuts and no one shall open: 8 I know your [record of] works and what you are doing. See! I have set before you a door wide open which no one is able to shut; I know that you have but little power, and yet you have kept My Word and guarded My message and have not renounced or denied My name. 9 Take note! I will make those of the synagogue of Satan who say they are Jews and are not, but lie--behold, I will make them come and bow down before your feet and learn and acknowledge that I have loved you. 10 Because you have guarded and kept My word of patient endurance [have held fast the lesson of My patience with the expectant endurance that I give you], I also will keep you [safe] from the hour of trial (testing) which is coming on the whole world to try those who dwell upon the earth. 11 I am coming quickly; hold fast what you have, so that no one may rob you and deprive you of your crown

Here's another...

 Jhn 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. 


 Jhn 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if [it were] not [so], I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 


 Jhn 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, [there] ye may be also. 


 Jhn 14:4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.

John

[Bronzesnake]

Here we go again.......... U.S. Is Not Babylon...

 Revelation 17:1-2 tells us, “Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and talked with me, saying to me, "Come, I will show you the judgment of the great harlot who sits on many waters, with whom the kings of the earth committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth were made drunk with the wine of her fornication.” Revelation 17:5 goes on to say, “And on her forehead a name was written: MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.” Who is this “whore of Babylon” and what is “mystery Babylon”?

 Revelation 17:3 gives this description, “Then the angel carried me away in the Spirit into a desert. There I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was covered with blasphemous names and had seven heads and ten horns.” The beast mentioned in this verse is the same beast as in Revelation chapter 13:1, “…And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. He had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on his horns, and on each head a blasphemous name.” The beast in Revelation chapter 13 is understood to refer to the antichrist, the man of lawlessness (2 Thessalonians 2:3-4; Daniel 9:27). So, the whore of Babylon, whoever it is, is closely affiliated with the antichrist.

 Revelation 17:9 says, “This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits.” In ancient times, the city of Rome was known as “the city on seven hills” because there are seven prominent hills that surround the city. So, whatever the whore of Babylon is, we can know that it is somehow connected with Rome. Revelation 17:15 tells us, “Then the angel said to me, "The waters you saw, where the prostitute sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations and languages.” The whore of Babylon will have great worldwide influence, over people and nations. Verses 10-14 describe a series of eight and then ten kings who affiliate with the beast. The whore of Babylon will at one time have control over these kings (Revelation 17:18), but at some point the kings will turn on her and destroy her (Revelation 17:16).

 The whore of Babylon is an evil world system, controlled by the antichrist, during the last days before Jesus’ return. It is centered Rome (revived Roman Empire) The whore of Babylon also has religious connotations – spiritual adultery with the beast being the focus of an ungodly end times religious system, also centered in Rome. Babylon is not, and never has been the U.S. It can only become the U.S. when we place our own man made theorlogies into the scriptures.

John

[Bronzesnake]

Oh! Why not?!

I didn't think I would ever have the energy to get into another "prove the rapture" debate again, but I am a child of God, and servent of the King, and it is His will that we tell the truth right my brothers?

Here goes.....

The primary Scripture passage on the Rapture is 1Thessalonians 4:13-18. It states that all living believers, along with all believers who have died, will meet the Lord Jesus in the air and will be with Him forever. The Rapture is God removing His people from the earth. A few verses later in 5:9 Paul says, “For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.” The Book of Revelation, which deals primarily with the time period of the Tribulation, is a prophetic message of how God will pour out His wrath upon the earth during the Tribulation. It would seem inconsistent for God to promise believers that they will not suffer wrath and then leave them on the earth during the Tribulation. The fact that God promises to deliver Christians from wrath shortly after promising to remove His people from the earth seems to link those two events together.

Another crucial passage on the timing of the Rapture is Revelation 3:10. There, Christ promises to deliver believers from the “hour of trial” that is going to come upon the earth. This could mean two things: (1) Christ will protect believers in the midst of the trials, or (2) Christ will deliver believers out of the trials. Both are valid meanings of the Greek word translated “from.” However, it is important to recognize what believers are promised to be kept “from.” It is not just the trial, but the “hour” of trial. Christ is promising to keep believers from the very time period that contains the trials, namely the Tribulation. The purpose of the Tribulation, the purpose of the Rapture, the meaning of 1 Thessalonians 5:9, and the interpretation of Revelation 3:10 from which Dreamweaver posted, all give clear support to the Pretribulational position. If the Bible is interpreted literally and consistently, the Pretribulational position is the most Biblically consistent interpretation.

That is the God's honest truth my friends!

John

[Shammu]

That is the God's honest truth my friends!

John

AMEN!!

[twobombs]

I'm happy we don't need to vote on this one
God's Kingdom being a theocracy and all....