Saving Faith and Obedience

[ollie]

Romans 5

 1.  Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
 2.  By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
 3.  And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;
 4.  And patience, experience; and experience, hope:
 5.  And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.
 6.  For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
 7.  For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.
 8.  But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
 9.  Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
 10.  For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
 11.  And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.
 12.  Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
 13.  (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
 14.  Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
 15.  But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
 16.  And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.
 17.  For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
 18.  Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
 19.  For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
 20.  Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
 21.  That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.



Romans 6

 1.  What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
 2.  God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
 3.  Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
 4.  Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
 5.  For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
 6.  Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
 7.  For he that is dead is freed from sin.
 8.  Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
 9.  Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
 10.  For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
 11.  Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
 12.  Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
 13.  Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
 14.  For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
 15.  What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
 16.  Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
 17.  But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
 18.  Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
 19.  I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
 20.  For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.
 21.  What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.
 22.  But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
 23.  For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.


John was not under the law of faith, but under the law as given to Moses. Jesus had not yet died and resurrected and gone into heaven, in fulfillment of the law, to the throne of His power on the right side of God.

You must be born again, made free from sin and alive to God and His righteousness through Jesus Christ.

[John the Baptist]

Romans 5

 1.  Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
 2.  By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

(shortened)

John was not under the law of faith, but under the law as given to Moses. Jesus had not yet died and resurrected and gone into heaven, in fulfillment of the law, to the throne of His power on the right side of God.

You must be born again, made free from sin and alive to God and His righteousness through Jesus Christ.
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Are you telling 'God' that John was NOT CONVERTED at Birth??
Luke 1:41.

Or that the Master's Inspired Words of Heb. 11, that these [ALL DIED IN THE FAITH] does not include the GREATEST PROPHET John, as Christ describes him??? Shame on this missive!

This 'site' is becoming more like the spread of 'spiritual' cancer as the days go by! For even some that looked hopeful are now going down the 'broadway' of no return it seems? Obad 16

Notice about the 'greatest prophet as Christ called John. (see Luke 7:27) And then in Luke 16:31 His 'inspired Words' say that.. ".. If they here NOT Moses and [the *prophets neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead]."
Where did John's message come from?? You do not seem to have a clue?? (forget the messenger & 'think' MESSAGE!)

Read  Matt. 11:9-14 first! Then Matt. 17:11 & 12. And then 'see' Mark 9:*13! Christ says that Elias has INDEED COME! But you?? You have this [FAITHLESS] GENERATION ALL MESSED UP!    

You might find Truth in Acts 2:16 for this history repeated
'message'? (but 'i' doubt it. For the simple testing is 'IF' one TRUELY LOVES CHRIST OR NOT? "If ye love me, keep my commandments" And of course we know what all here seem to hate, huh? Christ' 7th day Sabbath [Commandment]. But just incase 'one' here can understand this so far?? Read Eccl. 1:9-10 & Eccl. 3:15 for this SAME END TIME REPEAT!

[geralduk]

Paul speaking of the childfren of ISREAL said that ther were for our ENSAMPLE.
By the time they had rweached the river jordan after 40 DAYS they were ALREADY SAVED.
But were now called to ENTER into the promise.

BEFORE they were in BONDAGE to Egypt and her PHAROAH which are types of the world and the devil.
There were SAVED FROM that bondage not by thier OWN good works(how could they be they were BOUND) but by the POWER of the BLOOD of A lamb.
NOT by the MANIFESTATIONS of MIRACLES but by the BLOOD.
For in ALL those manifestations of Gods power they were NOT freed.
it was not untill the BLOOD had been APLIED were they CAST OUT of EGYPT.

and after the criossing of the RED SEA they were FREE from BONDAGE forever. and could not go back even when they 'wanted' to.
THEN were they in the wilderness for 40 DAYS so giod could PROVE them.
Not so that they could prove to God how faithfull and worthy thye were.
But like silver and gold they were 'proved' inthe fire of afliction.
and had to LEARN that "man shall not live by bread alone but by every Word that proceedeth from the mouth of God"
To LEARN to WALK by FAITH and not by sight"
And to know and understand that God is HOLY and makes a difference beteen that which is clean and that which is UNCLEAN.
They were then; to become "unspotted from the world" and be SANCTAFIED.
and by the time God had "LED/driven" them through the wilderness and to the river jordan they SHOULD HAVE LEARNT by then to eat MEAT and not still desire MILK.
Those who are but BORN and growing need the "sincere milk of the Word"
But by the time they came to jordan they should have been "MEN in thier understanding" AND EATING MEAT.
Now Paul says "ebcause of thier UNBELEIEF they enetered not in"
But loom again at the story?
It was not that they believed NOTHING.
but that they believed the WRONG MESSAGE!
ALL 12 saw the SAME things.
and ALL acknowldged it.
But the 10 saw with the NATURAL man and with MENS REASONING AND SIGHT ALONE.
and so saw ONLY giants.
The 2 who gacve a good report though seeing the same thing sAw them in a DIFFERENT LIGHT.
In the light of that knowledge of WHAT GOD HAD DONE.
WHO IT WAS WHO WAS WITH THEM.
and WHAT WAS PROMISED FOR THE FUTURE.
IN THAT LIGHT and therefore in their TRUE perspective those "giants" were as GRASSHOPPERS"
The MAJORITY believed that which was closest to thier own hearts?
(itching ears?)
AND WERE unwilling TO LISTEN  to the other report with a sober heart and mind.
adn so HAVIGNHAD THIER HEARTS FILLED WITH FEAR AND not faith.
How could they for those who preached the wrong meassage preached thier OWN EXPERIENCE.
OBEYED not God.
AND SO REFUSED TO ENTER.
BY THE TIME THEY HAD COME TO THEIR SENSES it was too late!
(see the 4 foolish virgins)
What had been OPENED UNTO THEM not a short while ago was now closed. and thought they tried to force it open. could not.
So they wandered around the wilderness for 40 YEARS.
Now did God "leave them or forsake them"?
NO.
But gave them miracles every day for 40 YEARSbut they were OUT OF THE WILL of God.
Hence Pauls warning not to be like them.
SAVED but not walking BY FAITH but by sight.
But believe in the PROMISE and ENTER INTO IT.