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« on: March 29, 2006, 01:53:11 PM »

Religious Conservatives Gather to Discuss 'War Against Christians'
Evangelical Leaders Worry They Are Losing the Culture War

March 28, 2006 — - At the Bethlehem, Ga., First Baptist Church on Christmas Avenue, Pastor Jody Hice told his congregation Sunday that the battle lines are being drawn.

"We find ourselves, without question, in the midst of a cultural war," he said. "It's a war on Christians."

His congregants were ready to sign up. "The Bible-believing Christian conservatives are banding together," said Bryant Dunsha, one of the faithful attending the service.

To fight back against the perceived anti-Christian agenda, Hice today attended a two-day conference called "The War on Christians," sponsored by the conservative evangelical group Vision America.

It featured prominent conservative Christian leaders discussing how they believe they are losing the culture wars on issues such as abortion, gay marriage, liberal judges and the latest from Hollywood, like the movie "V for Vendetta."

"The message of 'V for Vendetta' is that Christians are plotting to seize the reins of power," said Don Feder of Vision America.

They also called the enormously popular Web site MySpace poison for its millions of young users. "It's a pornography hole," said Rebecca Hagelin, of the Heritage Foundation.

But Rev. Jim Wallis, a self-described progressive evangelical, said these activists are not focused on what Jesus would care about.

"Fighting poverty is a moral value, too," Wallis said, "and I don't see poor people anyplace on their agenda."

Some Attendees Feel 'Used' by the GOP

Political observers say so-called values voters were key to President Bush's re-election victory. But at the convention, many of those same voters, their pastors and their leaders said they felt duped by Bush and the Republican Party.

"In the latest election, values voters were used," Rick Scarborough told the convention audience.

Critics such as Scarborough say Republicans paid lip service to and then ignored their issues, such as the proposed constitutional amendment against gay marriage.

"If our president would speak more directly to that issue even when he was not running for election, we would get a lot more traction in the Senate and the House," he said.

Embattled Rep. Tom DeLay, R-Texas, was received warmly by those at the conference. But even he seemed to distance himself from the Republican establishment. He praised the religious beliefs of Presidents Reagan and Roosevelt but did not even mention Bush, nor did he make a pitch for the Republican Party.

"In America, the greatest leaders aren't the ones in the houses of Congress but in houses of God," DeLay said.

The biggest threat for the Republican Party is not that these distressed "values" voters will vote for Democrats but that come this November's mid-term elections, they won't vote at all.

Religious Conservatives Gather to Discuss 'War Against Christians'
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« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2006, 11:03:39 PM »

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"We find ourselves, without question, in the midst of a cultural war," he said. "It's a war on Christians."

His congregants were ready to sign up. "The Bible-believing Christian conservatives are banding together," said Bryant Dunsha, one of the faithful attending the service.

Hello Dreamweaver,

Brother, it has become so obvious that every Christian should know by now that there is definitely a war against ALL things of the LORD and the Holy Bible.

I had a very pleasant discussion with some family members last night. I must first say that our highest priority as a family is to love and honor the LORD. We decided that we really didn't want to be known by political terms being tossed around today. We want to be known as followers of JESUS and those who stand up for the things of the LORD.

Christians in this part of the world have it pretty easy, and we really haven't been tested. We can see that the devil is hard at work, and the time may come soon when all people who love the LORD will be harshly tested. I know beyond any doubt that GOD will always be with us, so there will be strength, grace, and guidance for all who pray for it.

Brothers and Sisters, we should already know that the devil has snared hosts, and those hosts are suffering in the misery of sin. We don't help them by remaining silent or calling evil good. We help them by standing for the things of the LORD and sharing the GOOD NEWS. If we pray and ask GOD to help us, HE will equip us and send us forth with the work that HE wants done. The HOLY BIBLE tells us that GOD doesn't want ANY to die in their sins without JESUS as their Lord and Saviour. I firmly believe that GOD has work for every one of us to do, including young adults and children. We have heard how GOD has used children to bring their own parents to JESUS, so we should know that GOD can use us also.

If GOD calls us, HE will equip us.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Philippians 2:1-2 NASB  Therefore if there is any encouragement in Christ, if there is any consolation of love, if there is any fellowship of the Spirit, if any affection and compassion, make my joy complete by being of the same mind, maintaining the same love, united in spirit, intent on one purpose.
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« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2006, 01:29:13 AM »

Did not jesus say i would come to this? Do we really need to lament what is happening? WHO is in control? WHO is going to strike down the nations and rule with a rod of iron? What is there to lament over? When the Appostles wrote their Appistles, what was going on back then? Nothing that is happening today even begins to campare with what Nero was doing. If we are "Losing" the culture war is is because:

The divorce rate inside the Church is little different than that on the outside

The Teen pregnancy rate within the Church is the same as on the outside

The Abortion rate inside the Church is the same as the rest of society.

If we are to reflect Christs victory on the Cross, we need to work on making our salt salty again, not lamenting over a defeated enemy.
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« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2006, 01:45:14 AM »

The things that you mentioned are all a part of the war that we are facing today. It is a war against evil. Evil that is permeating everything that we know. I see no one here lamenting over it. It is a discussion on what is happening, bringing it to others attention. A part of the battle plan against such evil.



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« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2006, 12:37:56 AM »

Did not jesus say i would come to this? Do we really need to lament what is happening? WHO is in control? WHO is going to strike down the nations and rule with a rod of iron? What is there to lament over? When the Appostles wrote their Appistles, what was going on back then? Nothing that is happening today even begins to campare with what Nero was doing. If we are "Losing" the culture war is is because:

The divorce rate inside the Church is little different than that on the outside

The Teen pregnancy rate within the Church is the same as on the outside

The Abortion rate inside the Church is the same as the rest of society.

If we are to reflect Christs victory on the Cross, we need to work on making our salt salty again, not lamenting over a defeated enemy.

UM???  Most Christians are well aware of problems and evil, but that doesn't hint that we will offer a pulpit for something much worse, Islam. We also know that the devil can quote Scripture from the Holy Bible, and the devil has done that here. All of the Christians that I know will not tolerate someone trying to preach Islam and mentioning the name of our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ, at the same time. It certainly won't be done here.

Christians are also well aware that evil exists, and we don't lament the fact that we will fight it. The Christians on this earth will not win the battles against the devil, but JESUS CHRIST will completely crush the forces of evil and the devil at GOD'S appointed time. I would wish to point out some facts:

1 - Someone does not become a Christian simply by going to church.
2 - Christians are not perfect, holy, or without sin, but our Lord and Saviour, JESUS CHRIST, is.
3 - Our Salvation is in JESUS CHRIST, very GOD, not some man.


The name of JESUS is capitalized, and HIS name will be given the proper respect here. If we want a sermon on the Holy Bible, it won't be from a member of Islam.
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« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2006, 12:50:33 AM »

Christians are also well aware that evil exists, and we don't lament the fact that we will fight it. The Christians on this earth will not win the battles against the devil, but JESUS CHRIST will completely crush the forces of evil and the devil at GOD'S appointed time. I would wish to point out some facts:

1 - Someone does not become a Christian simply by going to church.
2 - Christians are not perfect, holy, or without sin, but our Lord and Saviour, JESUS CHRIST, is.
3 - Our Salvation is in JESUS CHRIST, very GOD, not some man.


The name of JESUS is capitalized, and HIS name will be given the proper respect here. If we want a sermon on the Holy Bible, it won't be from a member of Islam.
AMEN brother, sing it out LOUD!!
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