Dialoguing Da Vinci

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    By Paul Proctor

    Apparently, the new feature film starring Tom Hanks, called The Da Vinci Code, will start rolling in theaters on May 19th. Articles written by alarmed Christians, challenging its heretical content, are already appearing on various news and opinion sites across the Net; and I suspect will dramatically increase in number over the next several weeks. It is, of course, a highly controversial film based on a best-selling book by Dan Brown that is sure to whet the appetites of conspiracy buffs worldwide, not to mention, fuel the already present doubts and misconceptions of those who do not know or believe the Word of God.

    In my estimation, it's not really a quest for truth that will draw the mainstream to this movie but rather the marketing of excitement, adventure, crisis and rebellion, resulting in a greatly intensified polarity and outrage between Christians and the world, until a call for peace and unity goes out from the pulpits of America and a synthesized solution is offered by trained "Christian" facilitators waiting in the wings to help dispel our divisive differences and unite the "brotherhood of man."

    Their solution?

    Dialogue!

    What I believe we are witnessing is the beginning of rather a large-scale exercise in the Hegelian Dialectic, orchestrated by the-powers-that-be to ignite hostilities between the religious and the secular for purposes of uniting them on the common ground of a convoluted Christ through Diaprax. Already Sony Pictures has established a website they call "The Da Vinci Dialogue," where, according to Laurie Goodstein of The New York Times, they "will post essays by about 45 Christian writers, scholars and leaders of evangelical organizations who will pick apart the book's theological and historical claims about Christianity," many of whom come from the very heart of the church growth movement, meaning they are well versed in the dialectic process.

    One such writer is the president of Fuller Theological Seminary, the birthplace of the CGM:

    "Dr. Mouw, who contributed an essay on, 'Why Christians Ought to See the Movie,' said: 'It's going to be water cooler conversation, so Christians need to take a deep breath, buy the book and shell out the money for the movie. Then we need to educate Christians about what all this means. We need to help them answer someone who says, So how do you know Jesus didn't get married?'" - Laurie Goodstein

    See how the dialectic works? Hypothetical questions like the one Dr. Mouw posed, shrewdly steer Christians away from faithfully proclaiming a positive to instead, foolishly trying to prove a negative, something that is extremely difficult, if not impossible to do; thereby abandoning the presentation of the Gospel and the call to repentance and faith in Jesus Christ in order to participate in conjecture and controversy that only results in diversion and confusion.

    It seems it's not enough anymore to merely proclaim the Word of God to the lost as Jesus commanded. According to Dr. Mouw we must reward the writers, producers, publishers and promoters for their blasphemous books and movies with our purpose driven patronage so we can artfully engage the damned in dialogue and field their foolish and distracting questions.

    "But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain." - Titus 3:9

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    Christians are called to proclaim God's Word, not indulge the abstract and obstinate. When we set aside the power and simplicity of the scriptures to try and artificially accomplish from without what only the Holy Spirit can do from within, we become sidelined by our own self-confidence, yielding nothing of eternal value and bringing no glory to God.

    "Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD." - Jeremiah 17:5

    Just for the record, I do not believe The Da Vinci Code is going to convert Christians into occultists anymore than The Passion of The Christ converted occultists into Christians. Movies do not have the capability of regenerating or degenerating hearts; they can only accentuate or aggravate what is already there. The power that transforms the lost from death to life comes from the Spirit-filled preaching of God's Word, not from the theater.

    "For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe." - 1st Corinthians 1:21

    Like modern day church growth dramas and productions, motion pictures just manipulate feelings and emotions through a perceived reality using actors and scripts that stir the passions and tickle the ears of willing participants until the credits roll and moviegoers are forced to return to the real world in the same spiritual condition they arrived in at the ticket counter. Does this make it OK to watch films about a fabricated Jesus? Absolutely not! Only the faithless and undiscerning are enchanted by lies.

    The danger that The Da Vinci Code presents is the same danger Eve faced in the Garden of Eden. Like the Tree of The Knowledge of Good and Evil, it is not the presence of this movie that is a threat; but rather our disobedient dialoging with devils ABOUT IT; taking our hearts, minds and attention away from God's Word and redirecting our focus toward doubts, desires and delusions until they become stronger within us than our fear of the Lord.

    "And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them." - Ephesians 5:11

    The Bible does not encourage us to dialogue with devils; we are instead commanded to resist. That is accomplished by proclaiming the Word of God in the face of evil like Jesus did Satan in the wilderness, not by conversing with those who hate God's Word to try and build a relationship FIRST in hopes of persuading them into cooperating LATER. If you do not resist evil, it will not flee from you; it will only befriend you and distract you by your own willingness to engage in faithless chitchat.

    "O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called: Which some professing have erred concerning the faith." - 1st Timothy 6:20-21

    While I share the indignation of my brethren over this made-for-profit monstrosity that peddles yet another flesh-friendly Jesus for the Antichrist, I have to ask: Why is the church so indignant over Hollywood's heresy and yet so passive about its own? Why is it acceptable for church growth leaders to twist and theorize their way around the eternal truths of scripture for the sake of a better attendance and offering and not acceptable for Tom Hanks and Ron Howard? I don't know about you, but I'd say The Da Vinci Code is looking more and more like poetic justice for the postmodern church; returning to it a generous portion of the same dialectic poison it's been serving seekers for years.

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    "Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting." - Galatians 6:7-8

    The Da Vinci Code's blasphemy is nothing new. It's just another highly promoted, celebrity-enhanced, big budget effort to discredit Jesus Christ and His Word. There can be no one-world religion until this happens. THAT is the agenda.

    Even so, I believe the half-truths and heart-felt heresies being sold to seekers at church today are far more dangerous than the boldface lies blaring away down at the Bijou because they come camouflaged as "Christian" and are therefore more believable to the biblically ignorant and spiritually blind, particularity in a church setting where gullible participants go along to get along for the love and acceptance of a compromised collective.

    So, with that in mind, if you're heart is set on seeing The Da Vinci Code, just put your money away and be patient. I'm sure it will end up on the big screen down at your friendly neighborhood mega church. I have no doubt that many of them will start using it to draw crowds for more dialogue.

    Sin, you see, has become an evangelical tool for the postmodern church.

    "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness." - 2nd Thessalonians 2:12

(My Note:  Brothers and Sisters, maybe Christians can turn this blasphemy into an opportunity to witness for our Lord and Saviour, JESUS CHRIST. If we don't, the devil will simply use it for his purposes without any opposition.

[airIam2worship]

Amen Brother, I personally would not spend my money on going to see this movie. As you know, Hollywood made a big stink about Mel Gibson's Passion of the Christ, the movie didn't even get an honorable mention, but who cares, God certainly will reward Mr. Gibson. I'm sure though that this movie will be getting nominations and awards, just as Broke Back Mountain. Hollywood is satan's favorite tool to use agains Christianity and Jesus. I agree all Christians should be educated enough to be able to answer some of the questions and comments that no doubt will come from unbelievers. I trust that the Holy Spirit will help me when it comes time for me to confront these issues, that is why it is so important to submerge ourselved in God's Word. I also recall seeing a book on how Christians can answer questions and confront issues regarding th Da Vinci Code. I might have seen it on a Christian Book buying club, but I don't recall. It might be worth buying it to use as an additional tool.

[Soldier4Christ]

Amen sister, hollywood is definitely being used by satan to further his agenda. There have been so many movies made recently that are leading people in the wrong direction. There is no one in my entire family that wants to see this movie, Thank God for that. Most of us are in fact doing quite the opposite. We are telling people that if they want the truth about Jesus to read the Bible. There are many good movies out that would be much more worthwhile seing than this one. Even the three stooges is more edifying than this movie (I always did like their sense of humor).

[airIam2worship]

People in general are lazy PR, especially unbeliever, sometimes I just don't understand it, they would rather spend their money, sit in a theater, stuff their faces with popcorn and soda, while they are being fed a LIE. It's so much easier to hold their Bible in their hand and just simply ask God to open their eyes and help tem understand the Bible and they will not only see and understand, but they will be able to help others too. I am praying the the Lord of the Harvest send out more laborers, and I am praying that God will use this evil and turn it to good, I am praying that anyone going to see this movie will be so disgusted by it, that they will be more open to hear the Truth. It's sad, but it's the way humans have become, I compare it to many who hear all their lives that smoking causes cancer, and they wait till they are diagnosed with cancer, then they quit smoking.
I pray that people will open their eyes and see that tomorrow and not even later today belongs to them, it belongs to God only.

[Soldier4Christ]

Amen sister, AMEN!

[Sapphire W34P0N]

*Yawns.*

[nChrist]

*Yawns.*

  Hello Sapphire, I'm happy to see your excitement over this thread. So, how have you been doing?

Love In Christ,
Tom

Hebrews 10:19-23 NASB  Therefore, brethren, since we have confidence to enter the holy place by the blood of Jesus, by a new and living way which He inaugurated for us through the veil, that is, His flesh, and since we have a great priest over the house of God, let us draw near with a sincere heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water. Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for He who promised is faithful;

[Sapphire W34P0N]

I'm actually doing really well. Having the best school year of my life. Senior year in high school...gotta make the best of it, you know.

But yeah, I really should get around to reading this book...keep hearing rave reviews about it.

I figure, as long as I know the difference, all the religious hoohah doesn't bother me. I'm going to have to deal with it sooner or later in life.

And besides, isn't this book labeled as "FICTION"?

[Shammu]

Hey Sapphire, how is your driving going? Got any tickets yet?

[nChrist]

Hello Sapphire,

I don't think that Da Vinci is presented as fiction, but that's only one problem. Making God the object of blasphemy and ridicule is not a matter for entertainment. The eternal consequences for many lost people certainly won't be entertaining. If you look at the big picture, it's a very ugly picture that the devil loves.

I would ask any Christian: If today is the end of the age of Grace, would you want your lost friends and family members spending what little time they have left in going to this movie? AND, how do any of us know that we will even be alive tomorrow, regardless of whether this is the end of this age or not? If you knew that today was your last day, what would you do with it?

Love In Christ,
Tom

Hebrews 10:23-25 NASB  Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for He who promised is faithful; and let us consider how to stimulate one another to love and good deeds, not forsaking our own assembling together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another; and all the more as you see the day drawing near.

[airIam2worship]

Fiction or not, it blasphemes Jesus and He is REAL. People that don't really know Jesus will not think of it as being fiction.

[Soldier4Christ]

Fiction or not, it blasphemes Jesus and He is REAL. People that don't really know Jesus will not think of it as being fiction.

Amen sister. Anything that blasphemes Jesus should not be taken lightly nor should it be considered good viewing fiction.


2Jo 1:7  For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

[Soldier4Christ]

Satan's Trap Of Deception

We are seeing more and more of satan's deceptive practices coming to light in the world of today. There is a strong push to get people to think that God and the Bible are simply myth and nothing more. There is the push on evolution that has been ongoing for some years now. There are many cults that have been around for many years and many more forming that would have us believe that if there was a such a person as Jesus then He was nothing more than just a man.. Out of the many of these deceptions is The Da Vinci Code. I have not seen the movie as of yet (naturally as it is not out yet) but if this movie accurately reflects the book then it too is just as blasphemous.

Dan Brown’s bestselling novel—The Da Vinci Code—which has sold 6 million, is the latest Satanic attack against our Lord Jesus Christ and His inerrant Word. Brown seductively weaves a highly imaginative story in a vain attempt to prove that the Jesus believed by Christians today is not the same Jesus who lived in the first century. According to The Da Vinci Code, the true historical Jesus was only an ordinary man and not God at all.

Brown questions the inspiration, preservation, and canonicity of the Scriptures. The Bible he says, “is a product of man, … Not of God. The Bible did not fall magically from the clouds. Man created it as a historical record of tumultuous times, and it has evolved through countless translations, additions, and revisions. History has never had a definitive version of the book. … [T]housands of documents already existed chronicling His life as a mortal man. To rewrite the history books, … Constantine commissioned and financed a new Bible, which omitted those gospels that spoke of Christ’s human traits and embellished those gospels that made him godlike. The earlier gospels were outlawed, gathered up, and burned.”

As far as Brown is concerned, the historical and factual gospels have been destroyed in the 4th century. What remains today are the spurious and fictitious Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John that promote a mythical, godlike Jesus. So, all this while, Christians have been reading the wrong Gospels and believing in a false Jesus!

 How do we know that the Bible today is truly the Word of God, perfect and without mistakes? Simply because God says so! The declaration, “Thus saith the LORD,” or “Hear the Word of the LORD,” or “The LORD spake … saying,” appears over 3,000 times in the Bible. Be not deceived, the Bible is altogether God’s Word, not man’s word. “All Scripture is given by inspiration of God (theopneustos, literally, “God-breathed”) and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works” (2 Tim 3:16-17). The Bible was written over a span of 1,500 years by more than 40 different writers, and despite all its diversity, its miraculous unity is obvious. It goes without saying that though the Bible has many writers, it has but one Author—God Himself. That every one of the OT prophecies concerning Christ’s first coming has been fulfilled precisely proves the Bible’s authenticity (eg, Isa 7:14 cf Matt 1:22-23).

How do we know that the Scriptures that we have today are the true ones, and not those that have been lost for over a thousand years? We know this because God promised to preserve His words perfectly and perpetually. Psalm 12:6-7 says, “The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.” Jesus Himself promised, “For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled” (Matt 5:18). “Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away” (Matt 24:35, Mark 13:31, Luke 21:33). “The Scripture cannot be broken” (John 10:35).

 The Apostle Peter told the Church to trust in “a more sure word of prophecy”—the Holy Scriptures—as written by eyewitnesses: “Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man (and certainly not by the will of Constantine): but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost” (2 Pet 1:20-21).

If we are truly born again and the Spirit of God dwells within us, we cannot but know and believe the Truth of God’s Word. The Holy Spirit is “the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you” (John 14:17). “Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth … He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you” (John 16:13-14). “But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him” (1 John 2:27).

Historical and scientific evidences that prove the Scriptures may be helpful, but ultimately, the only basis of our faith and practice must be the Scriptures and the Scriptures alone. The Perfect Bible (and we have it today and know where it is) is our supreme final authority.

 In The Da Vinci Code, it is Satan’s voice you hear. True Christians will not follow. Jesus said, “My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: and I give unto them eternal life” (John 10:27-28).

We have experienced the good news and resurrection power of Christ in our life, and we cannot deny that our Lord and Saviour is indeed 100% God and 100% Man, and that His Word is 100% inspired and 100% preserved.

It goes without saying that The Da Vinci Code is truly Fiction. The Bible, on the other hand, is purely Fact. We have a Perfect Canon and a Perfect Text. May we never add to it, nor subtract from it (Rev 22:18-19), but love it and obey it (1 John 2:3-6)! “If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do?” (Ps 11:3).