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Ephesians 2:8-10 NASB For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.
Hello. (I think every time i post i'm going to say i'm new to Christianity so you can't attack my ignorance lol) Does the above passage mean that we can do anything that we would like on this earth because christ has prepared the way already. I mean it's lent now and i've been fasting daily from sunrise to sundown until i began to get dizzy and stopped cos of me collapsing being bad for me obviously. I know fasting doesn't make me a 'better christian' but i felt it got me closer to G. Therefore can we go out and murder and rape (not that i want to you understand) as long as we except Christ as our savior? I just converted and i before i always tried to live a good life because i wanted to help my fellow humans however now it seems i don't need to live a good life (though i still want to, don't worry about that
) so can anyone help me?
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No it does tell us that. Let me give a few other verses to help explain.
Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Rom 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
God realizes that we are weak and not able to fully abide by the law, therefore we are under grace. This does not give us a free ticket to sin as we want but rather to cover us for those sins that we do not realise that we are doing and for those occassions that we may slip up such as getting angry at someone for no reason.
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Greetings Tundra,
There are some good post here on somethings that might help as well, in Saved What Happened, on this thread maybe a page back, and Satan, lies and cheating, this one tells how to crucify the flesh and what it means.
Because of our love for Him, we develop a relationship with Him, which starts with prayer, Matthew 6:33, "Seek First His Kingdom", for short. Reading the Word, Faith, the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things unseen, goes along with another post you made. For people who come to Christ, new believers, I guide them in these simply ways of seeking Him, we do it always because of that hunger to bring joy to the Father and to grow. Keep pressing on, and read them post, please your get a lot out of them.
Start your day with Him, first, pray on the Armor of God, as that is written in Ephesians 10-20, read it out right into a prayer, everyday before you start your day, the Spirit will start to reveal things to you as you do, the Word gives revelation as we meditate on it, memorize the 23 Psalms, repeat it though your day. Also get a study Bible, like the Life Application Bible, New International Version, it is real good for new believers. I have given many of these Bibles out to new and old and they have grown because of it. The commentary in it really helps bring folks along. We are all growing everyday, every moment. The thing is we press on even when we miss the mark, ask for forgiveness, learn from that grace given and press on, "Grace makes us grow". He loves us, Jesus understands us, He came in the flesh, it wasn't nails that held Him to the cross, it was love, He knew it was the Fathers will, love obeys, and that is why we do the things that righteous people do, because of our love for Him and listening to the Spirit inside us governing our way. There are other post that will shed light on things for you but them two I mentioned will really help you believe me. we have all been where you are at one way or the other.
May the Lord, bless thee and keep thee
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What you're talking about Tundra is the misguided concept of "once saved always saved". Who does it serve to tell believers on Christ Jesus that once they believe and are baptized, then they don't have to keep a check on theirselves to see if they're sinning or not, i.e., not to even be concerned about sinning? Who would want us to fall into that thinking? The devil.
Our Lord Jesus said all manner of sin and blasphemy 'shall' be forgiven men, except for the unpardonable sin of blasphemy against The Holy Spirit (Matthew 12:31). Being in God's Grace is the same thing as being part of a Family. In the earthly family relationship, we won't go out and do things that would disgrace or hurt our family if we truly love them. Likewise, if we love our Heavenly Father we will try not to do things that would disgrace Him, but instead do things that please Him. He gave us His Word to learn how to do things that please Him, and stay away from those things that don't. Because there is a limit to how much rebellion our earthly father would take, the unpardonable sin also reveals there's a limit to rebellion against our Heavenly Father. And just as we at times fall short and mess up a little with our earthly family, then repent and ask forgiveness of them, we also are to repent and ask forgiveness of our Heavenly Father through His Son Jesus Christ, our Heavenly Family.
Paul compared some serious sins that some do which can prevent them from entering the Kingdom of Heaven (see latter part of Romans 1 and Galatians 5, which are foundational Books on Christianity). He compared those things with acts which keep us from being 'under the law'...
Gal 5:22-26
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.
(KJV)
Contrary to the opinion of many, per Scripture God's Law is not dead, meaning IF... we do not walk by The Spirit and don't follow those fruits of the Spirit, then we automatically put ourselves back in bondage 'under the law', and most often, there is a price to pay for breaking it. Exactly what does that mean? Many of the laws in the western Christian nations came right out of God's Law. It still is against the law to steal, to murder, to rape, to delve in sorcery (i.e., drug abuse), etc. We only have to look at how the law in court history has been administered to see how the law is still in effect today, but only... for those who do not follow the fruits of the Spirit, which there is no law against.
In Romans and Galatians, Paul explained how some of those among them who came to Christ and believed once followed some of those old pagan ways, because of ignorance, and thus were under the law, but now, being in Christ they were to walk by The Spirit, and by that they would no longer be under the law. Paul said in Romans 7:7 that he "had not known sin but by the law", and in Romans 3:20 that "by the law is the knowledge of sin." Through God's Grace we are saved, and not by the law nor of our own works. It is a Gift, an unmerited Gift we cannot earn. But that does not mean we can now run wild and do anything we want, just because we are saved by His Grace through Christ's Blood shed on the cross. To do that is to not walk by The Spirit, and thus go back into bondage. And that is meant literally, for even a Christian who commits a murder might have their 'spirit' saved in the Day of The Lord Jesus, but what will happen to them on this earth? Even a Christian who does that and is convicted will go to prison, and possibly even have their flesh assigned to destruction (death penalty - see the 1 Corinthians 5:1-5 New Testament example).
God's Ways are order, discipline and peace; not chaos, rebellion and revolution which will get a believer in trouble. Thus a person can either come to The Father through His Son Jesus Christ and have 'true' liberty by walking in The Spirit, which still does require self-discipline, or they can run amuck into rebellion and let the law discipline them. Either way, we cannot escape the need for discipline. Because our Lord Jesus will return this next time to rule the nations with "a rod of iron" (Rev.2:26-27; Rev.19:15), it shows there will be discipline during His future "thousand years" reign on earth also (Rev.20). It has been this way from the beginning, otherwise even His remnant would be as Sodom and Gomorrah (Isaiah 1:9; Romans 11:5). "Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever." (Hebrews 13:
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What you're talking about Tundra is the misguided concept of "once saved always saved". Who does it serve to tell believers on Christ Jesus that once they believe and are baptized, then they don't have to keep a check on theirselves to see if they're sinning or not, i.e., not to even be concerned about sinning? Who would want us to fall into that thinking? The devil.
Hello dp,
This would be a matter of opinion, one that many strong Christians disagree with completely. I won't debate this issue with you, but I will give you some food for thought.
1 - There is an immediate series of events when a person accepts Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour. Salvation is not on the installment plan.
All of the below is based upon real Salvation:
2 - The person's sins are forgiven.
3 - The Holy Spirit of God enters the heart of the new believer and SEALS the heart as a pledge of the eternal promises of God. The SEAL WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT also sets that person apart as a purchased possession of JESUS CHRIST, bought by the Blood of JESUS on the Cross.
4 - The new believer is QUICKENED right then into the BODY OF CHRIST.
5 - The new believer has already received the PROMISES OF GOD FOR ETERNAL LIFE in JESUS CHRIST.
6 - There is a list of other things that definitely happen right then, but I'll add only two more for right now:
the Law of Faith in JESUS CHRIST has set the new believer free from the curse of sin and death.
7 - The new believer is made fit RIGHT THEN to receive the inheritance of a child of GOD.
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GOD never breaks a PROMISE. No power in the universe can break THE SEAL OF THE HOLY SPIRIT. In short, the new believer is SAVED AND HAS ETERNAL LIFE RIGHT THEN. The work of Salvation was finished by JESUS CHRIST on the CROSS and Salvation is a GIFT, one that no man will ever be able to earn or deserve. That's why the Bible makes it exceptionally clear that Salvation is not by works. The new believer is held in the Mighty Hands of God and no power can pluck him or her out of HIS HANDS.
By the way, there is only
one unpardonable sin after the CROSS: rejection of JESUS CHRIST as Lord and Saviour. If sin caused a person to lose their Salvation, nobody would be saved. GOD intended man to have 100% assurance of Salvation. It's the devil that wants us to doubt, mainly because we would be doubting the WORD and PROMISES OF GOD. Doubt makes a Christian weak and non-productive, and the devil certainly wants that.
What you have done is confused the comparisons that the Apostle Paul made between Law and Grace. You are also saying that you have to work for your own Salvation and that the work of JESUS CHRIST on the CROSS was not enough. I realize you don't mean to, but you are also saying that GOD doesn't keep HIS PROMISES. I'll let you have the last word on this issue, as I won't debate this. I'll just leave you with two words: QUICKENED / FINISHED .
Love In Christ,
Tom
Romans 10:8-10 NASB But what does it say? "THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, IN YOUR MOUTH AND IN YOUR HEART"--that is, the word of faith which we are preaching, that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.
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Thank you my friends. I feel that you truley are dedicated to educating me in the ways of Christ and for this thank you. (Maybe we should rename this post 'educating the tundra') I will go back and read all of these posts in a lot more time and analyse them more. But to ask for clarification on a point. It is lent now and i have stopped fasting myself. Is this good or bad or uneccsary. This may sound weird but by not fasting in front of G when i believe i should, i feel that i have commited a heinous crime because i made such a big thing of fasting for christ in my head and now i've broken it. Any more comments.
(And seriously thank you for all of this, through you guys, my Bible and some christian courses im going on i will become a better worshipper)
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Quote from: Tundra on March 12, 2006, 03:37:31 PM
This may sound weird but by not fasting in front of G when i believe i should, i feel that i have commited a heinous crime because i made such a big thing of fasting for Christ in my head and now i've broken it. Any more comments.
(And seriously thank you for all of this, through you guys, my Bible and some Christian courses im going on i will become a better worshipper)
God will understand, why you did Tundra. I can't fast, because of diabetes. He won't give you more, then you can handle.
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Amen DW, God does know the frailties of the flesh and does not expect us to do more than we can. I am hypoglycemic (the total opposite of diabetes). If I miss to many meals it makes me deathly sick so I also am unable to fast.
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Tom, I'm not going to debate the usage of that "once saved..." slogan either. Nor am I a Judaizer trying to get others to go back in bondage to the law. I'm not even Jewish. And I agree with that working of God's Grace through His Son Jesus Christ you mentioned. If you read more closely what I posted above, you should discover what I said agreed with what Paul taught on how the law still has effect on the rebellious, even a believer who becomes rebellious, especially by the 1 Corinthians 5:1-5 example.
So let's not fool ourselves away from what God's Word says, because it is possible for a believer also to appear in shame and nakedness to Christ at His coming, yet that does not necessarily mean losing their Salvation...
Rev 3:11
11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.
(KJV)
Rev 16:15
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
(KJV)
What did our Lord Jesus mean with "lest he walk naked, and they see his shame"? Our good works in Christ follow us to Heaven per Rev.14:13. Our righteous garments in Heaven are linked to our good works in Christ. Our Lord is giving a warning in that verse to keep on watch for His return, and not let His coming take us by surprise, like it will with many. Jesus is saying that to believers (see Rev.3:4 and 3:18). The meaning is to not 'fall away' from Him. The analogy of nakedness and shame refers to the relationship some believers will have with Him when He returns, because they fell away or asleep when they should have been watching and ready for His return. That is connected to the great falling away Paul mentioned in 2 Thessalonians 2, when a false one will sit in the Temple of God, showing himself that he is God. Paul said there that two things must occur before Christ's return, and that's one of them.
In Matthew 25, the five foolish virgins were turned away by Christ at His coming. The fact that they were 'virgins' means they were believers on Him as The Savior. Likewise in Matthew 25, about the unprofitable servant, that's a parable pointing to a professed believer on Christ. We have the same lesson in the parable of the steward in Luke 12:36-48, which when he thought the Lord delayed His coming, that servant began to beat his own servants, became a drunkard, etc. Jesus said that servant will be appointed his portion with the 'unbelievers'. Our Lord Jesus also gave the following example...
Matt 7:21-23
21 Not every one that saith unto Me, "Lord, Lord," shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of My Father Which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to Me in that day, "Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Thy name? and in Thy name have cast out devils? and in Thy name done many wonderful works?"
23 And then will I profess unto them, "I never knew you: depart from Me, ye that work iniquity."
(KJV)
Which group of people is that above? Nonbelievers? No. Ezekiel 44 gives a deeper lesson on this, but it's a Scripture study many hardly ever get to. Those who remain faithful in Christ all the way to the end will rule with Him, being His priests and kings (Rev.1:5-6; 5:9-10). In Ezekiel 44, those priests are the Zadok (meaning 'the just'). Only those will be allowed near our Lord Jesus in that future Millennium time. The rest of the priests there are those who fell away when Israel went astray, and they shall bear their iniquity (i.e., related to the naked and ashamed analogy of Rev.16:15, 3:4, 3:18. Those Ezekiel 40 through 48 Chapters are still yet future to us.)
So what is the main comparison with that? It's about Family relationship. In the earthly family relationship, when a member breaks the house rules they can suffer a punsihment, but that doesn't mean they are totally cut off from the family, unless they want to be. With God's Family, He doesn't want anyone to perish, but He will chastize us if He loves us, to bring us back into His Family. And He will allow those who want to be cut off from Him to perish. So there is always a difference between a believer who falls away from Him but still loves Him, vs. someone who flat refuses Him.
In Christ Jesus,
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Brother DP, you posted:
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Tom, I'm not going to debate the usage of that "once saved..." slogan either. Nor am I a Judaizer trying to get others to go back in bondage to the law. I'm not even Jewish. And I agree with that working of God's Grace through His Son Jesus Christ you mentioned. If you read more closely what I posted above, you should discover what I said agreed with what Paul taught on how the law still has effect on the rebellious, even a believer who becomes rebellious, especially by the 1 Corinthians 5:1-5 example.
The 1 Corinthians 5:1-5 example is of church discipline, and has no affect on the future of the immoral brother in Christ's salvation. If it did, then he managed to get saved again when he returned to the Corinthian church in 2 Corinthians 2:5-11:
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Now if anyone has caused pain, he has caused it not to me, but in some measure--not to put it too severely--to all of you. For such a one, this punishment by the majority is enough, so you should rather turn to forgive and comfort him, or he may be overwhelmed by excessive sorrow. So I beg you to reaffirm your love for him. For this is why I wrote, that I might test you and know whether you are obedient in everything. Anyone whom you forgive, I also forgive. What I have forgiven, if I have forgiven anything, has been for your sake in the presence of Christ, so that we would not be outwitted by Satan; for we are not ignorant of his designs.
He wasn't not removed from the Lamb's Book of Life. He was removed from that local body as discipline for his immorality. He repented, and they wouldn't let him back in! Until Paul taught them the point of his earlier judgment.
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So let's not fool ourselves away from what God's Word says, because it is possible for a believer also to appear in shame and nakedness to Christ at His coming, yet that does not necessarily mean losing their Salvation...
True.
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What did our Lord Jesus mean with "lest he walk naked, and they see his shame"? Our good works in Christ follow us to Heaven per Rev.14:13. Our righteous garments in Heaven are linked to our good works in Christ. Our Lord is giving a warning in that verse to keep on watch for His return, and not let His coming take us by surprise, like it will with many. Jesus is saying that to believers (see Rev.3:4 and 3:18). The meaning is to not 'fall away' from Him. The analogy of nakedness and shame refers to the relationship some believers will have with Him when He returns, because they fell away or asleep when they should have been watching and ready for His return. That is connected to the great falling away Paul mentioned in 2 Thessalonians 2, when a false one will sit in the Temple of God, showing himself that he is God. Paul said there that two things must occur before Christ's return, and that's one of them.
I agree! Only it's not salvific grace that is lost. It's the crown they could have cast at His feet. They traded gold, silver and precious stones for wood, hay and stubble.
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Our Lord Jesus also gave the following example...
Matt 7:21-23
21 Not every one that saith unto Me, "Lord, Lord," shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of My Father Which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to Me in that day, "Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Thy name? and in Thy name have cast out devils? and in Thy name done many wonderful works?"
23 And then will I profess unto them, "I never knew you: depart from Me, ye that work iniquity."
(KJV)
Which group of people is that above? Nonbelievers? No. Ezekiel 44 gives a deeper lesson on this, but it's a Scripture study many hardly ever get to. Those who remain faithful in Christ all the way to the end will rule with Him, being His priests and kings (Rev.1:5-6; 5:9-10). In Ezekiel 44, those priests are the Zadok (meaning 'the just'). Only those will be allowed near our Lord Jesus in that future Millennium time. The rest of the priests there are those who fell away when Israel went astray, and they shall bear their iniquity (i.e., related to the naked and ashamed analogy of Rev.16:15, 3:4, 3:18. Those Ezekiel 40 through 48 Chapters are still yet future to us.)
Oddly, how would Jesus never have
not
known a true believer? Note that this is relational knowledge, not omniscience.
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So what is the main comparison with that? It's about Family relationship. In the earthly family relationship, when a member breaks the house rules they can suffer a punsihment, but that doesn't mean they are totally cut off from the family, unless they want to be. With God's Family, He doesn't want anyone to perish, but He will chastize us if He loves us, to bring us back into His Family. And He will allow those who want to be cut off from Him to perish. So there is always a difference between a believer who falls away from Him but still loves Him, vs. someone who flat refuses Him.
Interesting. In any family situation, fellowship can, and often times is revoked. My daughters may one day decide never to speak to me again. They may even disown me. They may even seek legal divorcement so that I'm not legally their father. Does that make me no longer their real father? They can no more remove our relationship than I can. I
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their father. That's simple truth brother.
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Hi, I'm new here, but I was reading this and hope it's ok to reply, Confusion?
In 1Cornithians 14:33 reads: For God is not the author of confusion,but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
Confusion comes from satan, he wants us to doubt our walk with Christ,
Jesus is the author and finisher of our faith. ( Hebrews 12:2 KJV)
Just pray, seek God, stay in his word, He will lead and guide you in all truth and rightousness! Then you will know that you know that you know, and you can stand
firmly on his word! He said his word will not go out void! I understand where your coming from, I think we have all been there at one point or another, but My best advice to you, like I said before, Pray, seek God, stay in his word!!!!
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Hi, I'm new here, but I was reading this and hope it's ok to reply, Confusion?
Yes you can reply to confusion, Sonya.
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In 1Cornithians 14:33 reads: For God is not the author of confusion,but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
Confusion comes from satan, he wants us to doubt our walk with Christ,
Jesus is the author and finisher of our faith. ( Hebrews 12:2 KJV)
Just pray, seek God, stay in his word, He will lead and guide you in all truth and rightousness! Then you will know that you know that you know, and you can stand
firmly on his word! He said his word will not go out void! I understand where your coming from, I think we have all been there at one point or another, but My best advice to you, like I said before, Pray, seek God, stay in his word!!!!
Sister in Christ
Sonya
AMEN
Sonya!!
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AMEN LIVE4JESUS!
Sister Sonya, you are completely correct. The devil does want Christians to doubt, be confused, and live defeated lives. We don't have to do that because our trust and confidence is in JESUS, not a man or ourselves.
JESUS never fails!
Love In Christ,
Tom
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March 19, 2006, 03:32:23 PM »
Yes Allinall, that 1 Cor.5 example is one of excommunication from the Church. Some scholars feel there was at that time more to it than a simple excommunication from the Church at Corinth, because to be assigned to Satan's kingdom of this world certainly leads to death through calamities of the flesh. In that sense, it was a death penalty, but not per OT methods. At this point in time of 1 Cor.5 we know the brother had not been received back into the Church...
1 Cor 5:4-5
4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
(KJV)
The phrase "the day of the Lord Jesus" means the Biblical 'day of The LORD'. And the Biblical 'day of The LORD' does not mean Sunday, it means the future "thousand years" reign of our Lord Jesus on earth with His elect priests and kings. In 2 Thess.2:2, Phil.1:10 and Phil.2:16 the phrase is 'day of Christ', but the Greek word 'kurios' in 2 Thess.2:2 meaning 'lord' was translated to 'Christ'.
So if that believer had not repented and made a change, then he would not be received back into the earthly Church at Corinth, and his spirit defaulted to shame at the day of The LORD. If his sin had been murder, authorities outside the Church at Corinth most likely would have dealt with it, as most likely would be the case today also. So what I said about rebellion in the above post still holds true that God's laws, which many of them are still instituted in the justice systems today, still do have an effect upon the rebellious, whether that be a believer or nonbeliever. It's very important for Ministers today to teach this so all believers will understand about discipline in the Church, and outside the Church.
When I use the idea of a 'professed believer' it's not meant in the negative sense, I mean it in the sense that one who has professed outwardly his belief on The Savior.
Not all of the family relational view you mention will fit all Biblical examples, because we already know we all are God's children, even Satan himself being one of God's creations who was perfect in the beginning (Ezek.28), yet he and his angels have already been judged and sentenced to perish, as not all will have Salvation. Though God does not wish it, we know many will perish in the lake of fire.
Check out Ezekiel 44 and see what you think. It teaches about status during Christ's future thousand years reign, and fits well the family relational idea you speak of. The priests that misled God's people will be in a state of shame and will bear their iniquity.
In Christ Jesus,
dp
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Quote from: Tundra on March 12, 2006, 03:37:31 PM
Thank you my friends. I feel that you truley are dedicated to educating me in the ways of Christ and for this thank you. (Maybe we should rename this post 'educating the tundra') I will go back and read all of these posts in a lot more time and analyse them more. But to ask for clarification on a point. It is lent now and i have stopped fasting myself. Is this good or bad or uneccsary. This may sound weird but by not fasting in front of G when i believe i should, i feel that i have commited a heinous crime because i made such a big thing of fasting for christ in my head and now i've broken it. Any more comments.
(And seriously thank you for all of this, through you guys, my Bible and some christian courses im going on i will become a better worshipper)
Maybe this will help also.
The Ten Commanments
First Commandment (Exodus 20:2): I am the Lord Your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
Second Commandment (Exodus 20:3-6): You shall have no other gods beside Me. You shall not make for yourself any graven image, nor any manner of likeness, of any thing that is heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them, nor serve them, for I, the Lord Your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation.
Third Commandment (Exodus 20:7): You shall not take the name of the Lord Your God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that takes His name in vain.
Fourth Commandment (Exodus 20:8-11): Remember the Sabbath, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor, and do all your work; but the seventh day is a Sabbath unto the Lord Your God, in it you shall not do any manner of work, you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your man-servant, nor your maid-servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger that is within your gates; for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested on the seventh day. Wherefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day, and made it holy.
Fifth Commandment (Exodus 20:12): Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord God gives you.
Sixth Commandment (Exodus 20:13): You shall not murder.
Seventh Commandment (Exodus 20:13): You shall not commit adultery.
Eighth Commandment (Exodus 20:13): You shall not steal.
Ninth Commandment (Exodus 20:13): You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
Tenth Commandment (Exodus 20:14):You shall not covet your neighbor's house, nor his wife, his man-servant, his maid-servant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor anything that is your neighbor's.
God bless you,
bluelake
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