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« on: March 10, 2006, 07:10:58 PM »

TESTING THE FAITH
Did boy Jesus look like this?
Forensic experts use computer images from Shroud of Turin to guess age 12
Posted: December 24, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern
© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com

What did Jesus Christ of Nazareth look like as a boy?

While no one knows for certain, forensic experts are now using computer images from the Shroud of Turin along with historical data and other ancient images to make an educated guess.

In a documentary called "Jesus' Childhood" airing Sunday night on the Italian TV station Retequattro of the Mediaset Group, police artists use the same "aging" technology employed when searching for missing persons and criminals.

"In this case the experts went backwards. Now we have a hypothesis on how the man of the shroud might have looked at the age of 12," Mediaset said in a statement. "While some features, such as the color of the eyes and the hair's length, cut and color, are arbitrary, others come directly from the face impressed on the shroud."
The group points out the facial proportions between the nose and eyebrow, as well as the shape of the jaw are identical to those on the shroud, which is a piece of linen some believe to be the actual burial cloth of Jesus after he was crucified.

The resulting image shows a fair-skinned child with blond, wavy hair and dark eyes.

"We made a rigorous effort based on the Shroud of Turin, but it's clear that the data at our disposal were limited," police official Carlo Bui told the Italian paper Corriere della Sera. "Let's say we have made an excellent hypothesis."

The Bible itself gives little information as to the specifics of what Jesus looked like during his ministry.

It does say he was a descendant of King David, who may have been fair-skinned with a reddish tint to his face and hair. The Old Testament notes David as a youth "was ruddy, and withal of a beautiful countenance, and goodly to look to." (I Samuel 16:12)

Others have argued Jesus was more olive or dark-skinned being from the Middle East.

The book of Isaiah gives what many believe to be a prophecy about Jesus' appearance as a human being, noting there wouldn't be any features out of the ordinary:


"For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him." (Isaiah 53:2)
When asked by Discovery News about the latest computer-generated image, Prof. James Charlesworth, an expert on Jesus research and the Gospel of John at Princeton Theological Seminary, said, "Too many Christians look down the well of history, seeking to see Jesus' face, and see the reflection of their own image. Those who follow Jesus find him attractive and thence always tend to portray him as a very attractive male, as in this new image."

"It shows clearly an Aryan Jesus, just like the Nazis proclaimed. Jesus was a Jew, looked like a Jew, and followed Jewish customs," he said.

As WorldNetDaily previously reported, the Shroud of Turin itself has been mired in controversy for centuries, with some maintaining the image on the linen is that of the crucified Jesus, while others reject it as an elaborate hoax.

In the 1980s, three international laboratories were selected to run the newly refined accelerated mass spectrometry (AMS) method of carbon dating on the shroud, to help determine its time of origin. The labs, including one at the University of Arizona at Tucson, all concurred the shroud was dated 1260-1390 AD.

But many have since questioned the reliability of the carbon-dating process which fixed that time period.

In 2000, millions of people turned out to view the controversial fabric during a rare public display.

The New Testament does refer to linens in connection with Jesus' burial, recounted when Jesus' disciples went to his tomb:


Peter therefore went forth, and that other disciple, and came to the sepulchre. So they ran both together: and the other disciple did outrun Peter, and came first to the sepulchre. And he stooping down, and looking in, saw the linen clothes lying; yet went he not in. Then cometh Simon Peter following him, and went into the sepulchre, and seeth the linen clothes lie, And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself. (John 20:3-7)
While some think the "napkin" that was on Jesus' head casts doubt on the whole shroud theory, others believe it helps validate the shroud as authentic.

A relic called the Sudarium of Oviedo is claimed by some to be the actual cloth around Jesus' head.

The cloth is impregnated with blood and lymph stains that match the blood type on the Shroud of Turin. The pattern and measurements of stains indicate the placement of the cloth over the face.

Juan Ignacio Moreno, a Spanish magistrate based in Burgos, Spain, asks a critical question:

"The scientific and medical studies on the Sudarium prove that it was the covering for the same man whose image is [on] the Shroud of Turin. We know that the Sudarium has been in Spain since the 600s. How, then, can the radio carbon dating claiming the shroud is only from the 13th century be accurate?"

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« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2006, 07:12:32 PM »

Question:  "What did Jesus look like?"

Answer:  The Bible never gives any physical description of Christ. The closest thing we get to a description is in Isaiah 53:2b, “He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him, nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.” All this tells us is that Jesus’ appearance was just like any other man – He was ordinary looking. Most of the images we have of Jesus are probably very inaccurate. Jesus was a Jew, so He likely had very tan skin, dark eyes, and dark hair. This is a far cry from the blond-haired, blue-eyed, fair-skinned Jesus in most modern pictures.

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« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2006, 07:15:35 PM »

Yeshua of Nazareth:
What did he look like?

Which image looks more like Jesus?


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« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2006, 07:17:57 PM »

In recent portrayals by Caucasian Christian artists, Yeshua ben Nazereth (a.k.a. Jesus Christ) has typically been shown with a light skin, a long "Presbyterian" nose, very long hair, and a height probably in excess of six feet. The face of Jim Caviezel, who plays Jesus in the movie "The Passion of the Christ," is similar to many modern-day images of Jesus. He is shown in the right picture above. Carlos F. Cardoza-Orlandi, associate professor of world Christianity at Columbia Theological Seminary in Atlanta, GA, commented: "While Western imagery is dominant, in other parts of the world he is often shown as black, Arab or Hispanic." 3 However, these have been based on pure speculation by the artists.

There have been at least two recent attempts at predicting what Yeshua actually looked like:
 The center portrait above is based on the image on the Shroud of Turin, which is believed by some Christians to be the burial shroud of Jesus. It is of a man estimated to be 5' 11˝" to 6' 2" tall. 1
 
 Starting with the assumption that Jesus resembled a typical peasant from 1st century CE Palestine, Richard Neave, a medical artist retired from the University of Manchester in England, and a team of researchers "started with an Israeli skull dating back to the 1st century. They then used computer programs, clay, simulated skin and their knowledge about the Jewish people of the time to determine the shape of the face, and color of eyes and skin." 2 Mike Fillon followed the research and wrote an article about the portrait in "Popular Mechanics" magazine. 3 He said during a CNN interview that: "There are very strong rabbinical laws in Israel that you cannot tamper with a skull or any bones, so they needed to reconstruct the skull. Using a cat scan, which is very common in hospitals, they were able to recreate the skull precisely and make a cast of it. Then they put small wooden pegs, based on anthropological data, to figure out what the muscle structure and the skin would look like, and so they layered that on using clay-like substances." 4

The result is shown in the left portrait above: a person with abroad peasant's face, dark olive skin, short curly hair and a prominent nose. His height would have been on the order of 5' 1"; he would have weighed about 110 pounds. Alison Galloway, professor of anthropology at the University of California in Santa Cruz , said that: "This [portrait] is probably a lot closer to the truth than the work of many great masters."
 
Jean Claude Gragard, used the left image in his documentary "Son of God," which was broadcast by the British Broadcasting Commission in 2001. He said: "Using archaeological and anatomical science rather than artistic interpretation makes this the most accurate likeness ever created. It isn't the face of Jesus, because we're not working with the skull of Jesus, but it is the departure point for considering what Jesus would have looked like." They guessed at the length of Jesus' hair on the basis of the reference by Paul that "If a man has long hair, it is a disgrace to him." They speculate that Paul would not have written this if Jesus Christ had had long hair?

Mike Fillon told CNN that "There is no way that we are saying this is the skull of Jesus...Christians believe...that Jesus' entire body was resurrected, so there would never be any bones or skull or DNA evidence of Jesus. Plus, his ministry was very, very short. So it would be hard to find a lot of evidence." Some liberal theologians assume that Jesus was not resurrected. They assume that the Romans threw his body on a garbage heap to be eaten by scavengers. This was a near-universal practice for the victims of execution. Either way, the chances of finding any evidence is essentially nil.

Which image is more likely?
Christians differ in their beliefs about Jesus' conception and life:

 Conservative Christians generally believe in the inerrancy of the Bible. They accept the statements in the Gospels of Matthew and Luke that Mary was a virgin when Jesus was conceived. That is, Jesus' conception did not involve male sperm, This would imply that God either: Created an living embryo with a unique human DNA in one of Mary's fallopian tubes.
 
 Created special DNA which fertilized an ovum produced by Mary's body.
 
Thus, Jesus would have had DNA that was either 50% or 100% created uniquely by God. If so, then Jesus could have had any height, hair color, eye color, skin hue, style of nose, etc. He may or may not have resembled a typical Palestinian from 1st Century CE.

 Most liberal Christians assume that the virgin birth stories in the Christian Scriptures (New Testament) are myths, and that Jesus was conceived as a result of normal gotcha146 between a man and woman -- probably by Mary and Joseph. Thus, they would expect Jesus to have resembled a typical male of that era.
 
In his Popular Mechanics article, Mike Fillon argues that Jesus height, weight and facial features were probably close to the left portrait above. He wrote: "In North America he is most often depicted as being taller than his disciples, lean, with long, flowing, light brown hair, fair skin and light-colored eyes. Familiar though this image may be, it is inherently flawed. A person with these features and physical bearing would have looked very different from everyone else in the region where Jesus lived and ministered. Surely the authors of the Bible would have mentioned so stark a contrast. On the contrary, according to the Gospel of Matthew, when Jesus was arrested in the garden of Gethsemane before the Crucifixion, Judas Iscariot had to indicate to the soldiers whom Jesus was because they could not tell him apart from his disciples."


References:
"Tracts For Jesus," The Table of the Remnant, at: http://www.angelfire.com/rnb/
Jeordan Legon, "From science and computers, a new face of Jesus," CNN, 2002-DEC-26, at: http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/science
Mike Fillon, "The Real Face of Jesus," Popular Mechanics, 2002-DEC. Online at: http://popularmechanics.com/science
Paula Zahn, "Interview with Mike Fillon," CNN American Morning, 2002-DEC-25, at: http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0212/25/ltm.07.html


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« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2006, 07:21:26 PM »

In the recently released second volume of his Collected Letters, C.S. Lewis writes to an Anglican nun who had sent him a photograph of the Shroud of Turin:

"Thank you so much for the head of Our Lord from the shroud. It has grown upon me wonderfully. I don't commit myself to the genuineness. One can never be quite certain. But the great value is to make one realise that He was a man, and once even a dead man. There is so much difference between a doctrine and a realisation."

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« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2006, 07:28:51 PM »

But one thing is for sure and that is that He did not look like our modern depictions.  From all that I can gather from scripture, the things described about Him, the things He said, His heritage, the people He liked, the people He hung around with, images of people from that generation we would be mightily surprised as to how He looked in the flesh.  For one thing He wrote, “But the priests, the Levites …shall neither shave their heads nor let their hair grow long; but they shall keep their hair well trimmed.”  Christ was a High Priest.  And Paul said, “Does not even nature itself teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a dishonor to him?”  Christ was not a lawbreaker or shame and did not have long hair.

Christ was not tall, thin and pasty looking.  He was a Jew and so looked like the other Jews that He could not be picked out in a crowd.  This is why Judas had to betray Him with a kiss just so others could know “now which one is Jesus?”  Jews are usually shorter than certain races like whites or blacks, have a medium amount of melanin attributing their darkish skin

Christ was not as weak looking as pictures seem to depict.  I doubt He was a body builder, but for the amount of walking He did, fasting and rugged lifestyle of the times He was physically fit and physically strong.  He associated with rebels, sword wielding rebels like Peter who was ready to kill at a moments notice and men called “Sons of Thunder” like the Zebedee brothers, men of action who said things like, “Lord, will You at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?”  In other words, when do we take over, rise up and take back Palestine?  So I doubt Christ was the sissy hanging around tough men.  Christ waged strong words against the teachers of the time.  His look, His eye contact, His words were probably like that of a General Douglas McArthur, Norman Schwarzkopf or Tommy Franks.  He was the God of the Old Testament who made and loved David the king and warrior and the tough men who hung around David.  It is also not known that many of the Old Testament prophets were strong and forceful men, a testament to Him.  And finally upon Christ’s return we see Him waging war.  So a pallid, sissy and somebody help me expression are closer to the exact opposite of the man.

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« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2006, 07:35:05 PM »


Q: What did Jesus look like? I've always had a mental picture of Him, drawn I guess from the pictures I saw when I was a kid in Sunday School. But does the Bible give us any description of Him? — Mrs. B.Y.

A:  Dear Mrs. B.Y.,
No, the Bible doesn't tell us what Jesus looked like, nor do we have any paintings or other images from His time that portray Him. Later artists often tried to imagine what He must have looked like (either as a baby or as an adult), but they are simply that—the product of the artist's imagination.

Jesus, however, must have been a person who drew people to Himself, both by His righteousness and by His compassion. When people looked in His face they must have sensed God's love—and also Jesus' divine authority. When some of His enemies tried to get Him to contradict Himself or say something wrong, they eventually gave up in defeat, and we read that "from that day on no one dared to ask him any more questions" (Matthew 22:46). Both His wisdom and His physical boldness must have confounded His opponents.

I suspect one reason the Bible doesn't tell us what Jesus looked like is because if it did, some might try to manufacture idols of Him, and people would end up worshiping them instead of Christ. But that would be wrong, for the Bible is clear: "You shall not make for yourself an idol" (Exodus 20:4).

Although we don't know what Jesus looked like, we do know who He was—and that's the important thing. He was God in human flesh, sent from heaven to save us from our sins. Does Christ live in your heart? If not, give your life to Him today.

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« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2006, 07:39:55 PM »

DAILYNewsWhat did Jesus look like?
Physical appearance remains a mystery
By By Teruah Wieland
Daily Staff Writer
(3.5.04)

African? Asian? European? Middle Eastern? What did Jesus really look like, and what has been learned through tradition?

Mel Gibson's recent movie, "The Passion of the Christ," has put Jesus in the pop culture spotlight. Some are revisiting questions about the range of identities Jesus has assumed in various cultures and religions over the ages.

There is great uncertainty concerning Jesus' physical appearance, and the image of him has been heavily influenced by tradition, said Arne Hallam, adviser of the Latter Day Saints Student Association and professor and chairman of economics.

"Works of art, particularly of the Renaissance period, were influenced by the visage on the Shroud of Turin, a burial cloth of a man that had been crucified," Hallam said. "That image was very Caucasian in its appearance, and later artists used those earlier works as models in their portrayals of Jesus."

As those images gained acceptance and popularity, it became more difficult to portray Jesus as anything other than Caucasian, Hallam said.

The Western world created an image of Jesus based on who they wanted him to be, rather than based on the reality of who he really was, said Cara Harris, senior in liberal studies.

"I personally think it's due to anti-Semitic views and the need to make Jesus a sympathetic character," said Harris, who is an atheist. "For many people, seeing Jesus as anything but Caucasian doesn't fit their ideal image of him."

It was Europeans who first portrayed images of Jesus as a Caucasian man, said Barbara Pleasants, adjunct assistant professor of ecology, evolution and organismal biology. Pleasants, who is Jewish, teaches Liberal Arts and Sciences 385: The Holocaust, in which anti-Semitism is an important topic of discussion.

"It was not the goal of European artists to make Jesus look like his Jewish relatives, because God was finished with the Jews after they rejected him [according to Christians of the time period]," Pleasants said. "Jesus was distanced from his Jewish roots as much as possible."
 http://www.iowastatedaily.com/media/paper818/news/2004/03/05/News/What-Did.Jesus.Look.Like-1099180.shtml?norewrite&sourcedomain=www.iowastatedaily.com
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« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2006, 07:44:24 PM »

What Did Jesus Look Like?
The title proclaims, "The Real Face of Jesus," followed by, "Advances in forensic science reveal the most famous face in history." This article didn't appear in a religious magazine, but was the lead story in Popular Mechanics, challenging the popular view of the appearance of Jesus.
by Gary Petty

The article, which appeared in the December 2002 issue of Popular Mechanics, begins: "From the time Christian children settle into Sunday school classrooms, an image of Jesus Christ is etched into their minds. In North America he is most often depicted as being taller than his disciples, lean, with flowing, light brown hair, fair skin with light-colored eyes.

"Familiar though this image may be, it is inherently flawed. A person with these features and physical bearing would have looked very different from everyone else in the region where Jesus lived and ministered."

Can we know what Jesus really looked like? Classical European painters usually portray Him as tall and thin and with delicate, almost effeminate features. The Original African Heritage Edition of the King James Bible has a picture of Jesus looking like a man from Central Africa.

The image of Jesus in Popular Mechanics was based on information gathered by experts in forensic anthropology. Author Mike Fillon writes: "Using methods similar to those police have developed to solve crimes, British scientists, assisted by Israeli archeologists, have re-created what they believe is the most accurate image of the most famous face in history."

The summary of these men of science surprised many religious people. They concluded: "From analysis of skeletal remains, archeologists had firmly established that the average build of a Semite male at the time of Jesus was 5 ft. 1 in., with an average weight of 110 pounds. Since Jesus worked outdoors as a carpenter until he was about 30 years old, it is reasonable to assume he was more muscular and physically fit than westernized portraits suggest."

The Gospel writers record an account when Jesus avoided violence by an angry mob simply by mingling with the crowd. Judas had to identify Him with a kiss of betrayal. Obviously, these incidents show us that Jesus looked like any other Jew of His day.

Jesus and long hair
The scientists quoted in Popular Mechanics assert that the prevalent view of Jesus with flowing locks is also an inaccurate portrayal. It's also hard to understand why the apostle Paul would write in 1 Corinthians 11:14 that it's a shame for a man to have long hair if His Savior wore His hair long.

Where did the idea of Jesus with long hair originate? For centuries some have believed that Jesus was under a Nazirite vow. According to Numbers 6:1-6 the person taking a Nazirite vow pledged to abstain from wine and grapes, to avoid touching a dead body and to not cut his or her hair until the end of the vow's duration, when the hair had to be cut. But the Gospels record occasions when Jesus drank wine, which means He would have broken a Nazirite vow if He had been under one.

The misconception is based in part on scriptures where He is called Jesus of Nazareth or a Nazarene. Nazareth is a town in Galilee where Jesus spent time as a child. We find an account of Jesus' early life recorded in Matthew 2:23: "And he came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, 'He shall be called a Nazarene.'" Jesus was a Nazarene, not a Nazirite. He was never under a vow to abstain from wine or to wear His hair long.

The scientists and archaeologists who created the portrait of Jesus that appeared in Popular Mechanics may have been right in some details, but no one really knows the exact physical features of Jesus. The New Testament emphasizes His sinless life and moral teachings, but has almost nothing to say about what He looked like.

The apostle John was given a vision of what Jesus looks like today in His glorified form. In Revelation 1 Jesus is said to have hair "white like wool," "eyes like a flame of fire" and to appear "like the sun shining in its strength" (verses 14, 16).

What did Jesus teach?
We find Jesus portrayed by Europeans as European, by Africans as African, by Hispanics as Hispanic and by Asians as Asian. Does it really matter how a person visualizes Jesus?

Does how you perceive Him affect the way you interpret His gospel?

Just as it is a proclivity of people to create Jesus in their own image, they tend to interpret His teachings by the standards of their culture. Statements like "take up your cross and follow Me" had penetrating impact on an audience of first-century Jews who often saw prisoners carrying crosses to their place of execution. Many of Jesus' teachings become profoundly clear when read in the context of the Jewish culture of almost 2,000 years ago.

Some people say that Jesus came to erase the law of God. Did you know Jesus said that "till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled" (Matthew 5:18)?

Others claim that all you have to do is accept Jesus as Savior to receive salvation. Yet Jesus taught, "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'" (Matthew 7:21-23).

By creating Jesus in our own image, have we misinterpreted what He taught? Do you really know the truth of Jesus' message, or has it become a caricature like the pictures in our Bibles based more on the appearance of the people making the picture or on erroneous traditional perceptions than on Jesus Himself? And does He even want us to have representations of Himself anyway (Exodus 20:4-6)?

Maybe it's time to dust off the Gospels and discover the real Jesus. You may find that not only did Jesus look different than many have believed, but His gospel contains truths from God most have never heard. VT

Gary Petty is host of The Good News radio program, heard on stations across the country. For an Internet listing of stations and times or to download radio programs, visit our Web site at www.gnmagazine.org/radio. While online you can also order the booklet offered on this program, The Gospel of the Kingdom. 
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« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2006, 07:52:01 PM »

And He probably had some awesome-looking manly hands from being a carpenter!  Grin
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« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2006, 07:57:04 PM »

There was an image found on a wall in the basement in a late first century or early second century church that some people think was the image of Jesus Christ. I can't seem to find it right now but the image looks similar to the one in your reply #2 the left picture. Only the hair was smoothed down with oil and almost looked like a bowl cut and the skin was more weathered looking.

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« Reply #11 on: March 11, 2006, 09:42:19 PM »

Hello Sincereheart,

Sister, that was fascinating and I thank you for sharing it with us. I read it with mixed emotions, especially when liberal views were expressed. I would expect many liberals to have thoughts and ideas about JESUS, but prefaced with ,"If HE ever existed." I know this isn't a fair statement about ALL liberals, so I deserve to be whipped with wet noodles.  Cheesy

I also have mixed emotions about "Shroud of Turin". I like the recent finds that indicate the Holy Bible is completely true, but I don't need them for myself. I simply think there are still hosts of people looking for evidence to form their beliefs. Let's call this the "Doubting Thomas syndrome".  Cheesy

If it is God's will to present additional evidence, so be it. It might even help some weak or baby Christians, but we know what our LORD said to Thomas. If we had 100% proof and evidence, would we still call it faith?  NO  SO, this raises other questions. The Law of Faith in JESUS CHRIST has set us free from the curse of sin and death. I'm sure there would be many different opinions and interpretations. For me, I simply give thanks that the PROOF is in my heart and in the hearts of all Christians. Now I'm thinking about hosts who were witnesses when JESUS walked this earth, and they still rejected HIM.

Thank you again for a fascinating topic.

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Romans 5:17-18 NASB  For if by the transgression of the one, death reigned through the one, much more those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.  So then as through one transgression there resulted condemnation to all men, even so through one act of righteousness there resulted justification of life to all men.
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« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2006, 11:02:54 PM »

In Jesus time we can determine that there were good artist (painters, scupltors), haven't we ask why Jesus didn't tell a painter
"Hey, painter, scupltor this is the face of god you have to paint it or sculpture it?"

I believe he did not do it coz' the human form can not really depict God? Our Lord Jesus is GOD manifested but that is only part or GOD.  It just like trying to define GOD of the character he reveal at one time. Just like some Christian that GOD is love only.. He is also just, jealous, slow to anger and a lot more....

When GOD revealed himself as the Christ (Saviour), we should not try to depict him as like a saviour only (as Jesus only).

He is manifested as a Flesh (the son), as a the Holy Spirit and the Father.

I believe Jesus is following what this scriptural passage

Deutoromy 4
   11: And ye came near and stood under the mountain; and the mountain burned with fire unto the midst of heaven, with darkness, clouds, and thick darkness.
   12: And the LORD spake unto you out of the midst of the fire: ye heard the voice of the words, but saw no similitude; only ye heard a voice.
   13: And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.
   14: And the LORD commanded me at that time to teach you statutes and judgments, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go over to possess it.
   15: Take ye therefore good heed unto yourselves; for ye saw no manner of similitude on the day that the LORD spake unto you in Horeb out of the midst of the fire:    16: Lest ye corrupt yourselves, and make you a graven image, the similitude of any figure, the likeness of male or female,
   17: The likeness of any beast that is on the earth, the likeness of any winged fowl that flieth in the air,
   18: The likeness of any thing that creepeth on the ground, the likeness of any fish that is in the waters beneath the earth:
   19: And lest thou lift up thine eyes unto heaven, and when thou seest the sun, and the moon, and the stars, even all the host of heaven, shouldest be driven to worship them, and serve them, which the LORD thy God hath divided unto all nations under the whole heaven.


I believe that is also the reason that as Pastor Roger qouted in Isaah his (Jesus) physical feature is common. Nothing that really can be highlighted.


By the way, i am just expressing my thought. 1 cent!!! Wink
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« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2006, 11:11:11 PM »

Hi BLAD, that was sincereheart that gave the Isaiah reference but that does apply as you said. I beleive that He did not want a picture or statue made of Himself because He did not want people worshiping a statue or a picture of Him nor would He want others to hold someone that lloked like Him in higher esteem than anyone else.



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« Reply #14 on: March 13, 2006, 12:27:03 AM »

Hi BLAD, that was sincereheart that gave the Isaiah reference but that does apply as you said. I beleive that He did not want a picture or statue made of Himself because He did not want people worshiping a statue or a picture of Him nor would He want others to hold someone that lloked like Him in higher esteem than anyone else.

Amen Pastor Roger. 


Sorry for the mistake, pardon me ma'am sincereheart.  Kiss
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