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« on: May 17, 2004, 02:07:02 AM »

I know that God created us, but why did he put us on earth?  And if he is all knowing, then why did he allow Adam and Eve to fall?  What is the purpose?
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« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2004, 07:14:46 AM »

I know that God created us, but why did he put us on earth?  And if he is all knowing, then why did he allow Adam and Eve to fall?  What is the purpose?

Oklahoma Howdy to sandyg,

Hard question - but easy answer.

It is not man's place to ever question the power, majesty, and purpose of Almighty God, the Creator of the Universe. HE knew the number of hairs on your head before the foundation of the world. All you really need to know is that HE didn't make any mistakes. Yes, HE knew that Adam and Eve would disobey HIM, and HE also knew you would ask this question "umpteen" million years ago.

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« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2004, 07:32:28 AM »

That doesn't actually answer the question thought, does it?  It's just a long winded way of saying "we don't know".   Not that I'm disagreeing with you, but it's a valid question that God hasn't really given us any answer to.

I would disagree with your statement: It is not man's place to ever question the power, majesty, and purpose of Almighty God, the Creator of the Universe.   I think God can handle us questioning it quite a bit - the psalmist certainly did.
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« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2004, 08:19:11 AM »

I know that God created us, but why did he put us on earth?  And if he is all knowing, then why did he allow Adam and Eve to fall?  What is the purpose?

See Ephesians 1:5-12.  In brief "that we should be to the praise of His glory, who first trusted in Christ". Knowing the first Adam would fall, God already had planned for the second Adam to become the "last Adam" so that those who believe on Him should have everlasting life (Jn.3:16) and also become exact replicas of Him (Rom. 8:28-30).
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« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2004, 09:21:30 AM »

God created us because He loves us.  He really has no need for us at all.
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« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2004, 10:14:40 AM »

Rev 4:11

11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.
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« Reply #6 on: May 18, 2004, 02:47:32 PM »

I aree with ebia.  "It's not man's place to question God," is not really a good answer.  I was asked this question, "What is the purpose of God putting us on earth?" by a Mormon.  You can bet he has a good answer (spirit children sent to earth to learn and then go back to heaven to become Gods & Goddesses). I guess the only way to respond would be to put him on the defense and dispute his doctrine, however...I'm not really answering his question to me.  I already answered that we were created by God and are here to glorify God, but I have not answered why God put us on Earth.  I agree with Sower, but I can see this is going to open up a very long discussion on Adam/Eve, the fall, God's Sovereignty, why God puts people on earth and doesn't save everyone, etc.  He already doesn't think the Christian God is "fair."  Apparently they believe that as long as you don't rape or murder, you acheive some sort of place in one their heavenly kingdoms.  Anyway, I was hoping there was something that I had missed.
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« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2004, 11:37:57 PM »

That doesn't actually answer the question thought, does it?  It's just a long winded way of saying "we don't know".   Not that I'm disagreeing with you, but it's a valid question that God hasn't really given us any answer to.

I would disagree with your statement: It is not man's place to ever question the power, majesty, and purpose of Almighty God, the Creator of the Universe.   I think God can handle us questioning it quite a bit - the psalmist certainly did.

Ebia,

Your post was longer than mine and didn't contain an answer. However, if it has to do with the Bible or morals, we can count on you to be against it. You are at least consistent - a pain.   Grin  You've also helped to teach all of us to overcome evil with good.  So, THANKS!

Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.  Romans 12:21

O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!  Romans 11:33  
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« Reply #8 on: May 24, 2004, 06:08:36 AM »

That doesn't actually answer the question thought, does it?  It's just a long winded way of saying "we don't know".   Not that I'm disagreeing with you, but it's a valid question that God hasn't really given us any answer to.

I would disagree with your statement: It is not man's place to ever question the power, majesty, and purpose of Almighty God, the Creator of the Universe.   I think God can handle us questioning it quite a bit - the psalmist certainly did.

Ebia,

Your post was longer than mine and didn't contain an answer.
Unlike you, I didn't claim to have an answer.  You did, but failed to give one.

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However, if it has to do with the Bible or morals, we can count on you to be against it.
No, I just against people spouting garbage and claiming it's correct or divinely inspired.

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Some of my students think that too.
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« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2004, 06:19:41 AM »

I know that God created us, but why did he put us on earth?  And if he is all knowing, then why did he allow Adam and Eve to fall?  What is the purpose?

To Love us and for us to Love Him, and to have fellowship.

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« Reply #10 on: May 24, 2004, 06:30:32 PM »

I aree with ebia.  "It's not man's place to question God," is not really a good answer.  I was asked this question, "What is the purpose of God putting us on earth?" by a Mormon.  You can bet he has a good answer (spirit children sent to earth to learn and then go back to heaven to become Gods & Goddesses). I guess the only way to respond would be to put him on the defense and dispute his doctrine, however...I'm not really answering his question to me.  I already answered that we were created by God and are here to glorify God, but I have not answered why God put us on Earth.  I agree with Sower, but I can see this is going to open up a very long discussion on Adam/Eve, the fall, God's Sovereignty, why God puts people on earth and doesn't save everyone, etc.  He already doesn't think the Christian God is "fair."  Apparently they believe that as long as you don't rape or murder, you acheive some sort of place in one their heavenly kingdoms.  Anyway, I was hoping there was something that I had missed.
"(spirit children sent to earth to learn and then go back to heaven to become Gods & Goddesses)."
A revelation from the "other testament" no doubt.
 
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« Reply #11 on: May 28, 2004, 03:50:36 AM »

Well...Of COURSE we should question!!!!!!
Why not?  Huh  Smiley
Why stifle?

Personally... this is my opinion so far on the subject. (granted I don't know the absolute TRUE answer..but hey, I can take a stab at it. No HARM!)

I believe we are here because God created humans, not robots. He didn't want automatons. He gave his first couple FREE WILL. Hey, here you are in this wonderful paradise (but did they know JUST how wonderful it was? They had nothing to compare it to...no darkness to compare it to...do you think they could FULLY appreciate God and Creation?) anyway, so they're in this paradise, and God wants them to be happy but like I said, He also doesn't want robots. He gives them the freedom to choose to obey Him or disobey. He gave them minds to USE. They chose wrong. POW! Now they have to take responsibility for their CHOICES. Now they see why they SHOULD have obeyed God for now they DO know the difference b/t good and evil. But they chose what they chose, but the silver lining is now they (and now, WE) have seen the darkness...have been IN the darkness, have experienced how DEAD life is without GOD. GOD is holy, pure...He cannot be IN the darkness. So, that is why I feel we're here.

We're here because the first folks chose to disobey, and we're reaping what they sowed, but we do have a silver lining in that we will so fully appreciate being in the LIGHT, forever being set apart from the horrible darkness...that just to KNOW that the darkness/evil is being thrown into the everlasting fire, and we will NEVER have to deal with IT or any of it's ugly wicked, dried-up, stinking, rotting fruits ever again..and that we will REALIZE JUST HOW wonderful the LIGHT of God really is...we will praise Him forever!!!!!!!

Earth is just a schoolyard. And God didn't want automatons.

Well, that's just how I see it. And y'know there's a lot more to it, but that's the gist.  Wink

C'mon... I want to hear other folks ideas!! This is such a fascinating topic of conversation, no? and y'know...it's just that, conversation. not a debate, really...just tossing out some ideas.

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« Reply #12 on: May 28, 2004, 05:57:21 AM »

C'mon... I want to hear other folks ideas!! This is such a fascinating topic of conversation, no? and y'know...it's just that, conversation. not a debate, really...just tossing out some ideas.

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If life, and the bible, are meant to be learning experiences, where we are supposed to think, grow, make connections; ie truly learn; that makes a lot more sense than any idea that we are supplied with the answers to me.

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« Reply #13 on: May 28, 2004, 07:22:44 AM »

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Genesis 1:28.............Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Genesis 2:15.  And the Lord God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.


 
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He did not allow the disobedience. He allowed choice to obey or disobey. He gave the command, " Genesis 2:16.  And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
 17.  But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.


God also issued the penalty for disobeying the command. He was completely in control of His creation as He wanted it to be. There is a command for obedience and a penalty for disobedience. He is just and judges by His commandment and gives out His reward for obedience and His penalty for disobedience.
Adam and Eve disobeyed the command and thus received the penalty.

The purpose being: All creation reflects the glory of God in its very being and doing the things for which they were created by God. Man created in His image to either glorify or not glorify God by obedience or not obedience. Also the wonderful plan of redemption to bring the disobedient back to the original glory God wanted from His created image.


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Even so, let your light shine before men; that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father who is in heaven. (Mat 5:16)

But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed ask him who formed it, "Why did you make me like this?" Or hasn't the potter a right over the clay, from the same lump to make one part a vessel for honor, and another for dishonor? What if God, willing to show his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much patience vessels of wrath made for destruction, and that he might make known the riches of his glory on vessels of mercy, which he prepared beforehand for glory, us, whom he also called, not from the Jews only, but also from the Gentiles? (Rom 9:20-24)

Why did God put it in our hearts to desire children/heirs?

God created man in his own image. In God's image he created him; male and female he created them. (Gen 1:27)

Could this be part of the character of God??

But as many as received him, to them he gave the right to become God's children, to those who believe in his name: who were born not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. (Joh 1:12-13)

The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God; and if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint heirs with Christ;... (Rom 8:16-17)

For you are all children of God, through faith in Christ Jesus. (Gal 3:26)

For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are children of God. For you didn't receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption, by whom we cry, "Abba! Father!" The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God; and if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint heirs with Christ; if indeed we suffer with him, that we may also be glorified with him. (Rom 8:14-17)

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ; even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and without blemish before him in love; having predestined us for adoption as children through Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his desire, to the praise of the glory of his grace, by which he freely bestowed favor on us in the Beloved, (Eph 1:3-6)
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