Abraham Lincoln regarding the Civil War

[creationist]

I would like to quote the words of Abraham Lincoln regarding the Civil War as found in 50 YEARS IN THE 'CHURCH' OF ROME: "This war would never have been possible without the sinister influence of the Jesuits. We owe it to popery that we now see our land reddened with the blood of her noblest sons. Though there were great differences of opinion between the South and the North on the question of slavery, neither Jeff Davis nor anyone of the leading men of the Confederacy would have dared to attack the North, had they not relied on the promises of the Jesuits, that, under the mask of Democracy, the money and the arms of the Roman Catholic, even the arms of France were at their disposal, if they would attack us. I pity the priests, the bishops and monks of Rome in the United States, when the people realize that they are, in great part, responsible for the tears and the blood shed in this war. I conceal what I know, on that subject, from the knowledge of the nation; for if the people knew the whole truth, this war would turn into a religious war, and it would at once, take a tenfold more savage and bloody character. It would become merciless as all religious wars are. It would become a war of extermination on both sides. The Protestants of both the North and the South would surely unite to exterminate the priests and the Jesuits, if they could hear what Professor Morse has said to me of the plots made in the very city of Rome to destroy this Republic, and if they could learn how the priests, the nuns, and the monks, which daily land on our shores, under the pretext of preaching their religion, instructing the people in their schools, taking care of the sick in the hospitals, are nothing else but the emissaries of the Pope, of Napoleon, and the other despots of Europe, to undermine our institutions, alienate the hearts of our people from our constitution, and our laws, destroy our schools, and prepare a reign of anarchy here as they have done in Ireland, in Mexico, in Spain, and wherever there are any people who want to be free."

      And then President Abraham Lincoln went on to say: "Is it not an absurdity to give to a man a thing which he is sworn to hate, curse, and destroy? And does not the Church of Rome hate, curse and destroy liberty of conscience whenever she can do it safely? I am for liberty of conscience in its noblest, broadest, highest sense. But I cannot give liberty of conscience to the Pope and to his followers, the Papists, so long as they tell me, through all their councils, theologians, and canon laws, that their conscience orders them to bum my wife, strangle my children, and cut my throat when they find their opportunity! This does not seem to be understood by the people today. But sooner or later, the light of common sense will make it clear to every one that no liberty of conscience can be granted to men who are sworn to obey a Pope, who pretends to have the right to put to death those who differ from him in religion."

[ebia]

But sooner or later, the light of common sense will make it clear to every one that no liberty of conscience can be granted to men who are sworn to obey a Pope, who pretends to have the right to put to death those who differ from him in religion."

Plenty of protestants thought they had that right too.

As for the whole essay - it genuine, it just goes to show that great men can be pillocks too.

[Tibby]

This would be a good time to remind everyone what while Lincoln did pray, and he did claim to see visions, he did not believe in God or the Bible.

But, all this aside, I can see where “honest Abe” is coming from in a way. Catholics and many Northern Churches were strong Abolitionists, while there were major Protestant group (Such as the Southern Baptists), group still around today, where formed for the soul purpose of keeping slavery. Lincoln himself said he would keep slavery if it meant avoiding war. I can see how this would have been a wise choice. Freedom was more a burden then slavery for the early free black men, anyways. All sides had good points.

[Psalm 119]

Old "Honest Abe" was not honest at all!

The War Between the States was due to Northern aggression. It began as a result of the Union Blockade in Chareleston Harbor. It was due to "taxation without representation".By implementing high tarriffs on the goods imported by the South. Slavery was a secondary issue. In fact, Lincoln once supported the idea of colonizing the slaves....sending them back to Africa. He only became "anti-slavery" when it was politically expedient for him to do so.

Abe Lincoln's wife Nancy frequently had seance's in the White House. She tried to call up her dead son(s).

Lincoln also rounded up editors and newspaper people (from the North) who had opposed his policies, and aggression on the South.

I don't know who made this statement but it's true......"Whoever wins the battle, writes the history"

So much for true and accurate reporting!

As far as the Catholic thing goes?