SPEAKING IN TONGUES

[smartinez1984]

Does the person who speaks in tongues understand what they are speaking?

[Petro]

Does the person who speaks in tongues understand what they are speaking?

Paul states, that the one who speaks to God in a tongue, edifies himself, how,  is left to a matter of speculation, since he goes to state clearly;

1 Cor 14
13  Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.
14  For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.

I can say that this speaks to the matter directly, since, it plainly says;

"let him that speaketh in anunknown (to GOD) pray that God may give him knowledge to interpret.

I say this because from the previous verse 2, it is evident the man is speaking mysteries, as he says;

2 ..................This man who speaks to God in a tongue speaketh in the spirit mysteries.

So the conclusion one can draw from scripture is that the man who speaks in tongues to God, does not understand what he is speaking, but is edified, however his understanding is unfruitfull from the experience.

Know of course, those who disagree with scripture will, draw their conclusions from someone elses experiences, whom they hear of by second thrid and fourth hand means.

Purely subjective..............and of course then having justified the act, not only practice it, but go on to teach it, as though what they do is of God.

Understanding the teaching of the Spirit begins with seeking Him in prayer and reading His Word, after all He auuthored the Bible.

Petro

[smartinez1984]

Hmmm... Thanks for the insight. Sort of makes me wonder of the need for verbalizing the process at all, given that the only edification happens to the spirit. Why vocalize it at all if it benefits no one, not even the one speaking? Unless, of course, there is a prophetic message with interpretation involved. Wow, very interesting.

Speaking of edification, if speaking in tongues edifies the spirit, does that mean that if I don't speak in tongues I can't edify my spirit?

-Samson

[Ambassador4Christ]

Benny Hinn, Jimmy & Tammy, Robert Tilton, Jimmy Swaggert, Oral & Richard Roberts, Pat Robertson, Kenneth Copeland, Kenneth Hagin all speak in tongues  
Also the late Jim Jones

Goosebump Religion

[Reba]

Benny Hinn, Jimmy & Tammy, Robert Tilton, Jimmy Swaggert, Oral & Richard Roberts, Pat Robertson, Kenneth Copeland, Kenneth Hagin all speak in tongues  
Also the late Jim Jones

Goosebump Religion

As  a father you give your sons  each a car. Sam and Bill,  Bill gets drunk and wrecks the car hurting others. Sam uses his car to take kids to Sundayschool. You are still their dad you still gave the gift to both sons.
 
I want to see the tongues as of fire. Tongues can be so easly faked. But i dont think all 'tonguetalkers' are fakes.

[Ambassador4Christ]

Benny Hinn, Jimmy & Tammy, Robert Tilton, Jimmy Swaggert, Oral & Richard Roberts, Pat Robertson, Kenneth Copeland, Kenneth Hagin all speak in tongues  
Also the late Jim Jones

Goosebump Religion

As  a father you give your sons  each a car. Sam and Bill,  Bill gets drunk and wrecks the car hurting others. Sam uses his car to take kids to Sundayschool. You are still their dad you still gave the gift to both sons.
 
I want to see the tongues as of fire. Tongues can be so easly faked. But i dont think all 'tonguetalkers' are fakes.

I guess I will have to come up with some more names. I believe ALL 'tonguetalkers' are fakes.

[Reba]

Why?  

[Petro]

Hmmm... Thanks for the insight. Sort of makes me wonder of the need for verbalizing the process at all, given that the only edification happens to the spirit. Why vocalize it at all if it benefits no one, not even the one speaking? Unless, of course, there is a prophetic message with interpretation involved. Wow, very interesting.

Speaking of edification, if speaking in tongues edifies the spirit, does that mean that if I don't speak in tongues I can't edify my spirit?

-Samson

Who said tongues needs to be verbalized when speaking to God, I know I can pray to God without opening my mouth, and yet I know I am speaking to God, on the other hand, if I so desire, I can speak in a louder voice that others can hear my prayer, and say Amen at any time they feel like affirming the portion of the prayer they strongly copncur with.

On the other hand when speaking to God in a tongue, while being assembled with the congregation, the Word requires that it be interprepted, that all the hearers of the prayer to God, also, be cognizant of what is bveing said, and also, say Amen at the appropriate time, notice, the verses in their context;

1 Cor 14
6  Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine?
9  So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air.
10  There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is without signification.
11  Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me.
12  Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.
13  Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.
14  For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
15  What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.
16  Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest?


It is clear that the reason for interpretation is that the hearers be edified and if no one can interpret, then the speaker is to keep quiet. (1 Cor 14:28)

28  But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.


you said;

Unless, of course, there is a prophetic message with interpretation involved.

There cannot be a prophetic message,and if the speaker ever, tries to speak a prohetic message IN TONGUES, YOU CAN BE ASSURED IT IS NOT OF GOD.

Why??

Because of verse 2,

For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God:

Any man speaking in tongues, never speaks a prophetic message to men from God, because it is clear in verse 2, that those who speak in an unknown tongue speak to GOD and not men.

The verse has been twisted to teach something it does not even begin to teach.

Goose Bump religion sounds like a good name for it, this gift is made to be way more than it is biblically  taught to be.

Keep studying, and most of all praying for wisdom and understanding what is of God and what is not.

Blessings,

Petro

[Reba]

Just  felt the whole chapter deserved to be posted.

1 Cor 14:1-5
1 Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.

2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.

4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.

5 I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
KJV
1 Cor 14:6-8
6 Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine?

7 And even things without life giving sound, whether pipe or harp, except they give a distinction in the sounds, how shall it be known what is piped or harped?

8 For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?
KJV

See the  post above for the middle scriptures

1 Cor 14:17-24
17 For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified.
18 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:
19 Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.
20 Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.
21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.
22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.
23 If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?
24 But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all:
KJV
1 Cor 14:25-28
25 And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth.

26 How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, everyone of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.

27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.

28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
KJV
1 Cor 14:29-34
29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.

30 If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace.

31 For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.

32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.

33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
KJV
1 Cor 14:35-40
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

36 What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?

37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.

39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.

40 Let all things be done decently and in order.
KJV

[Brother Love]

Benny Hinn, Jimmy & Tammy, Robert Tilton, Jimmy Swaggert, Oral & Richard Roberts, Pat Robertson, Kenneth Copeland, Kenneth Hagin all speak in tongues  
Also the late Jim Jones

Goosebump Religion

Also the late Jim Jones

Brother Love

[Reba]

As did Paul, Peter, the 120 in the upper room some at the church in Cornith....

[Ambassador4Christ]

As did Paul, Peter, the 120 in the upper room some at the church in Cornith....

YES!!! They did