US Elections 2004

[ollie]

sincereheart,
Thanks for your last post - you summed things up nicely.

It was very slanted.

Yep - to me it sure looked like a real flight suit worn by a real pilot.

Did he pilot the plane or chopper he came in on? It was a real flight suit, but phoney on him. He is a civilian pilot and he did not pilot anything to the carrier.

 

Wow - Ollie - what gives it away as 'fake'?    Are some buttons rearranged or something???

No it was military and he is civilian. That made it fake.

Bush was speaking to a ship full of sailors who were returning home from a mission and they were told their "mission was accomplished".  A single mission is not an entire war.  People who take that and spin it for any other meaning are really, really reaching...

Baghdad had been taken and he was telling America, Mission Accomplished". The sailors and aircraft carrier were just part of the superficial background chosen to dramatize the actions and capture the hearts of America. When Sadaam was captured later he merely said, "we did it, we got him". I believe from the white house.

I believe Bush is more moral than John Skerry - but I'm a conservative by nature, and Skerry is left of Kennedy the Life Guard.

I am very conservative, to the point of not being blind to the same-o, same-o evils of both sides and finding it very difficult to make a Christ like decision that would influence my voting. The people of America should be first and foremost in our government's response to anything and they are not. Money and profit is primary.

(FYI - I can't remember which of our c-uniters first used the term "Skerry" - but it is a jewel I have used often since first reading it somewhere on this forum.   )

I remember reading it also, but it escapes me. It is a little skerry to me that we have to resort to such name calling, in all its childishess, to refer to those that could be the leaders of our land. We must be hurting for leaders. And we are. It shows in our immature resorting to name calling of candidates for leadership.

If every Christian would vote the Constitution Party ticket (which is actually the only party out there with Christian values) Bush and Kerry would both lose and Demoncats and Repo-blicans could all go home happy because the 'opposition' lost the election.  

Hmmmm?

It couldn't get any better than that!

It did, it can, it does, and it will. See below.

Revelation 22:20.  He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
 21.  The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.


Ollie

[digme]

I remember reading it also, but it escapes me. It is a little skerry to me that we have to resort to such name calling, in all its childishess, to refer to those that could be the leaders of our land. We must be hurting for leaders. And we are. It shows in our immature resorting to name calling of candidates for leadership.

that's why i stopped even saying anything in this thread... i realize some are not checking their condemning spirits at the door before they put their comments on this thread...  again, i am not at all surprised... it almost feels like this thread is an empty barrel and every "christian- truth protector" comes in here and hits this empty barrel with a good wood... again, i will repeat what i have said... some here think that this is just a thread for talking about something half-serious... i beg to differ. playing with truth and lies like this just desentisizes us more, and THERE IS NOTHING MORE EVIDENT OF THIS THAN A NAME CALLING THAT IS UNCHRISTIAN LIKE.. what if somebody ever stumbled here that was an NON CHRISTIAN? WHAT WOULD HE SAY OF THIS NAME CALLING? GO AHEAD BROTHER AND SISTERS WITH THE NAME CALLING AND SEE WHERE THAT WILL TAKE YOU... BUT REMEMBER WHAT 1st or 2nd peter 5 says:  "for judgement starts from the house of God.. "  and that judgement i ponder sometimes might already been laid down and we are reaping the consequences of it with dull hearts that are unable to feel pain and suffering in this world.  

[2nd Timothy]

"A better way of looking at it is, which man is more likely to allow God to influence his leadership?"

That man has not yet come forward. Pray hard!

Ollie

How you do you know this?   God can influence any man, especially one who is willing to acknowledge Him, and in some cases those who don't.

Which man (sorry theres only two to choose from at this point) makes a stand for principles that God can bless and work through with GOD's righteousness? (not mans).  They both have faults, but we must determine which one of the two God can bless and lead our nation with.   Can God bless the unborn who are being murdered and have no voice in this vote, by your casting a vote for the man who is willing to take a stand on the murder of our unborn?   Can God bless men and women and the institution of marriage by having someone who is willing to take a stand against same sex mariages?   These are two obvious ones (even for the wicked hearted to see), and there are many others if you look.  Can you name a few Godly ideals that Kerry has put forth in which God could be glorified by?  Does Kerry even acknowledge God in any of his addresses?  Maybe he does, but I am hard pressed to find them.   Our job as Christians is to vote for the one who GOD can bless and lead our nation through and be glorified by, not the man that is righteous in all things.  That man already sits at the right hand of the father.   I'm sure God will use whoever wins for his purpose, but my prayer is that GOD will appoint the one which allows Godly prinicples to be exhaulted.  As his child, I feel obligated to cast my vote for the one who best represents those principles, and thus far, its a no brainer when comparing the two

1Co 6:2  Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
1Co 6:3  Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

I'm praying hard alright....that I am able to please God with my choice of vote for the man who best represents my nation before God with the choice I am given.   God has blessed this American with a choice, and I for one will not complain about the choices, but will seek the choice that best represents a Godly standard.

Grace and Peace!

EDIT TO ADD >>> sorry didn't mean to imply you were complaining about the Choice Ollie (well maybe a little   )....My point was, that we are expected to be faithful with what we are given.  (parable of the 3 men who were given talents is one example).

[Forrest]

I got this from sister, My Dad a firm Dem. says Kerry should be shot.

 
Kerry

Hmmm   very interesting!!


John Kerry on Defense --

I hadn't seen this list printed until today. (So... send it to as many voters as you can!)

He voted to kill the Bradley Fighting Vehicle
He voted to kill the M-1 Abrams Tank
He voted to kill every Aircraft carrier laid down from 1988
He voted to kill the Aegis anti aircraft system
He voted to Kill the F-15 strike eagle
He voted to Kill the Block 60 F-16
He voted to Kill the P-3 Orion upgrade
He voted to Kill the B-1
He voted to Kill the B-2
He voted to Kill the Patriot anti Missile system
He voted to Kill the FA-18
He voted to Kill the B-2
He voted to Kill the F 117

In short, he voted to kill every military appropriation for the development and deployment of every weapons systems since 1988 to include the battle armor for our troops. With Kerry as president our Army will be made up of naked men running around with sticks and clubs. He also voted to kill all anti terrorism activities of every agency of the U.S. Government and to cut the funding of the FBI by 60%, to cut the funding for the CIA by 80%, and cut the funding for the NSA by 80%. But then he voted to increase OUR funding for U.N operations by 800%!!!

Is THIS a President YOU want?

John Kerry actually did each of these things. His voting record on these issues can be easily verified by checking the congressional voting record which list all votes on all issues brought forth. No one can deny his or
her voting record as it is a matter of public record. I was horrified that this person believes that he should be allowed to be President of this Nation. If you feel differently on the subject don't pass this on, otherwise, please pass it on to every voter you know. It's that
important.

[nChrist]

Hello All,

I see some disagreement, and that's fine and healthy. Each is entitled to their own opinion, vote how they wish, and speak what they wish. Christians are allowed to vote, and we ARE to judge MOST DEFINITELY according to Biblical values and morals.

We are talking among ourselves, and we are allowed to do that, regardless of what some might want or say. We are also allowed to express our opinion, just like everyone else in this country. I choose to tell it like it is, and that's my right as an American and a Christian to do. If someone thinks it's name calling, that's fine, and I'll try to make sure that it is name calling to erase any doubt about my stance. I AM to judge the candidates, but I am not allowed to punish or sentence them. Christians still have free speech, so here it is - NAME CALLING DELUXE:

Kerry is a radical, left wing, liberal wacko who supports abortion, supports gay marriage, and doesn't have a clue what Biblical morals are. If he is elected, I fear that he will complete America turning its back on God. You can be sure that much more about Kerry will come out before the election.

I realize that George Bush is not the strongest Christian, but he is a Christian and he does try. I don't think anyone knows what Kerry thinks or believes. However, I feel pretty sure that he's not going to tell us, and his morals would be light years away from Bush, far on the opposite end of the spectrum.

There are others we could vote for, but I doubt they will do little more than split the vote. In reality, they don't have a chance, and either Kerry or Bush will be our next President. I don't have a problem at all in stating the blunt truth, and neither does my Pastor. In short, it's a no-brainer, we will be voting for Bush. My family, friends, and church family will NOT vote for anyone who supports abortions, supports gay marriage, or one who displays a void of Christian values.

If it's childish for a Christian to speak the blunt truth, then call me a child. Further, the ongoing distortions and blatant lies about George Bush are being brought to light by the day now. I see that for what it is, cheap political garbage. We haven't heard from George Bush yet, but we will. He will have to play the political game and tell it like it is to be elected.

Please let me repeat and expound upon something - Christians are allowed to have opinions, allowed to vote, and are allowed to speak still. We may lose those rights one day, but we still have them today. The devil wants everyone to have their say EXCEPT CHRISTIANS. Don't you know that Christians are to remain silent and let the devil take America without a fight???  NO!!! - I refuse and WILL MOST CERTAINLY EXERCISE MY RIGHTS!!! as long as I live.

I have no problem at all with Christians who feel differently. Do what you feel convicted to do, but PLEASE at least vote.

Love In Christ,
Tom

[Shammu]

Hello All,

I see some disagreement, and that's fine and healthy. Each is entitled to their own opinion, vote how they wish, and speak what they wish. Christians are allowed to vote, and we ARE to judge MOST DEFINITELY according to Biblical values and morals.

We are talking among ourselves, and we are allowed to do that, regardless of what some might want or say. We are also allowed to express our opinion, just like everyone else in this country. I choose to tell it like it is, and that's my right as an American and a Christian to do. If someone thinks it's name calling, that's fine, and I'll try to make sure that it is name calling to erase any doubt about my stance. I AM to judge the candidates, but I am not allowed to punish or sentence them. Christians still have free speech, so here it is - NAME CALLING DELUXE:

Kerry is a radical, left wing, liberal wacko who supports abortion, supports gay marriage, and doesn't have a clue what Biblical morals are. If he is elected, I fear that he will complete America turning its back on God. You can be sure that much more about Kerry will come out before the election.

I realize that George Bush is not the strongest Christian, but he is a Christian and he does try. I don't think anyone knows what Kerry thinks or believes. However, I feel pretty sure that he's not going to tell us, and his morals would be light years away from Bush, far on the opposite end of the spectrum.

There are others we could vote for, but I doubt they will do little more than split the vote. In reality, they don't have a chance, and either Kerry or Bush will be our next President. I don't have a problem at all in stating the blunt truth, and neither does my Pastor. In short, it's a no-brainer, we will be voting for Bush. My family, friends, and church family will NOT vote for anyone who supports abortions, supports gay marriage, or one who displays a void of Christian values.

If it's childish for a Christian to speak the blunt truth, then call me a child. Further, the ongoing distortions and blatant lies about George Bush are being brought to light by the day now. I see that for what it is, cheap political garbage. We haven't heard from George Bush yet, but we will. He will have to play the political game and tell it like it is to be elected.

Please let me repeat and expound upon something - Christians are allowed to have opinions, allowed to vote, and are allowed to speak still. We may lose those rights one day, but we still have them today. The devil wants everyone to have their say EXCEPT CHRISTIANS. Don't you know that Christians are to remain silent and let the devil take America without a fight???  NO!!! - I refuse and WILL MOST CERTAINLY EXERCISE MY RIGHTS!!! as long as I live.

I have no problem at all with Christians who feel differently. Do what you feel convicted to do, but PLEASE at least vote.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Yes I think all Christians should vote. For the President they think can do the best. My own choice is Bush. I think Kerry is a weasel, and we all know what kind of damage a weasel can do.

[sincereheart]

It appeared military. Bush is not a military pilot. Most civilian pilots fly in civvies or a civvie's pilot's uniform if a commercial pilot.

Did he pilot the plane or chopper he came in on? It was a real flight suit, but phoney on him. He is a civilian pilot and he did not pilot anything to the carrier.

"The aircraft's pilot, Navy Cmdr. John Lussier of Orlando, Florida, said the president "enjoyed the heck out of" taking the controls and doing a couple of maneuvers. "

""Yes, I flew it. Yeah, of course, I liked it," said Bush, who was an F-102 fighter pilot in the Texas Air National Guard after graduating from Yale University in 1968."

Was America ever told the mission was accomplished when it wasn't?

""The transition from dictatorship to democracy will take time but it is worth every effort. Our coalition will stay until our work is done." "
Which part of this makes Bush a liar?

And does that make coaches wrong when they give their team a 'pep talk' when they've played well and it's only, say... half-time?  

The problem being that most of the manufacturing does not exist in America anymore.

And that's only been from Bush's time in office?  If not, then how has Bush been doing with what was left to him to fix?

The people of America should be first and foremost in our government's response to anything and they are not.

LOL! And when the US doesn't step in, the American people complain that we insulate ourselves and are selfish. Of course, there are international complaints about that, too.  

I am very conservative, to the point of not being blind to the same-o, same-o evils of both sides and finding it very difficult to make a Christ like decision that would influence my voting.

I haven't seen very many liberals on this particular forum. The 'evil' you referred to with Bush was lying. You're 'proof' wasn't proving. Whether you agree with decisions that Bush makes or not is one thing. To even hint that others are 'blind' to 'evils' that you say exist IS insulting but it does not make it true.  

It was very slanted.

It was in response to you calling Bush a 'liar' and based on the specific points you mentioned.  

It is a little skerry to me that we have to resort to such name calling, in all its childishess, to refer to those that could be the leaders of our land. We must be hurting for leaders. And we are. It shows in our immature resorting to name calling of candidates for leadership.

'Skerry' or 'liar'?  

*soapbox* I can't imagine what it's like to have people all over the world dissecting every move you make and every word you say. You have Christians complain that Bush isn't perfect. You have non-Christians complain that he's too Christian. And then someone like Kerry shows up and tries to throw some last-minute religion into his own pot. */soapbox*

[ollie]

 

Ollie:
It appeared military. Bush is not a military pilot. Most civilian pilots fly in civvies or a civvie's pilot's uniform if a commercial pilot.
 

Did he pilot the plane or chopper he came in on? It was a real flight suit, but phoney on him. He is a civilian pilot and he did not pilot anything to the carrier.

 
Sincereheart:
"The aircraft's pilot, Navy Cmdr. John Lussier of Orlando, Florida, said the president "enjoyed the heck out of" taking the controls and doing a couple of maneuvers. "

""Yes, I flew it. Yeah, of course, I liked it," said Bush, who was an F-102 fighter pilot in the Texas Air National Guard after graduating from Yale University in 1968."

If that is true then i missed it and you are correct.

Ollie:
Was America ever told the mission was accomplished when it wasn't?

Sincereheart:
""The transition from dictatorship to democracy will take time but it is worth every effort. Our coalition will stay until our work is done." "
Which part of this makes Bush a liar?

That does not make Bush look like a liar. It was told to us when he realized that it was taking longer than anticipated and after his "mission completed" statement

Sincereheart:
"And does that make coaches wrong when they give their team a 'pep talk' when they've played well and it's only, say... half-time?"

No, when it is sincere and it is the team that is cared about and not the coaches looking good.  

Ollie:
The problem being that most of the manufacturing does not exist in America anymore.

 
Sincerheart:
"And that's only been from Bush's time in office?  If not, then how has Bush been doing with what was left to him to fix?"

Manufacturing has been leaving America since the fifties. How many administrations have we had since? How many Democrats, how many Republicans? What party is Bush? Still it continues with no end in sight for the American worker and voter. Kerry has a plan to end it. Has he told anyone? What is it? Same-o same-o. Bush probably had a plan in 2000. What was it? Does anyone care?

Ollie:
The people of America should be first and foremost in our government's response to anything and they are not.

 

Sincereheart:
"LOL! And when the US doesn't step in, the American people complain that we insulate ourselves and are selfish. Of course, there are international complaints about that, too."

Yes, America can't win for losing and visa-versa. The American people are the real losers, because of our governments actions, not our government itself.  It is average Americans getting murdered and killed over the policies our government implements and puts in to action.

Ollie:
I am very conservative, to the point of not being blind to the same-o, same-o evils of both sides and finding it very difficult to make a Christ like decision that would influence my voting.

 
 
Sincereheart:
"I haven't seen very many liberals on this particular forum. The 'evil' you referred to with Bush was lying. You're 'proof' wasn't proving. Whether you agree with decisions that Bush makes or not is one thing. To even hint that others are 'blind' to 'evils' that you say exist IS insulting but it does not make it true."

An untruth based decision is deception.
Who said anyone is blind to the evils that may exist in our presidential candidates?

My post was not meant to insult but point out some evils in the Republicans as well as Democrats and that it was making it hard to make a decision on which way to vote.
 As far as being true, I only know what I read and hear, just like you.  

Ollie:
It was very slanted.

Sincereheart:
 "It was in response to you calling Bush a 'liar' and based on the specific points you mentioned. "

I donot recall calling Bush a liar. It was implied. That was only two points of implication. There are others.

Ollie:
It is a little skerry to me that we have to resort to such name calling, in all its childishess, to refer to those that could be the leaders of our land. We must be hurting for leaders. And we are. It shows in our immature resorting to name calling of candidates for leadership."

Sincereheart:
"'Skerry' or 'liar'?  

*soapbox* I can't imagine what it's like to have people all over the world dissecting every move you make and every word you say. You have Christians complain that Bush isn't perfect. You have non-Christians complain that he's too Christian. And then someone like Kerry shows up and tries to throw some last-minute religion into his own pot. */soapbox*"

You are probably right, Bush isn't perfect, Kerry isn't perfect. Their parties are not perfect. I am not perfect. I have gotten Sincereheart upset, (now that is skerry ), with me and I am sorry because I like her very much, judging of course from her posts. I apologize.  

I cannot speak for Kerry and his religion whether it is last minute or not. Only he and God know.

Ollie
 

 

[nChrist]

Oklahoma Howdy to All,

I love all of you. It's really been interesting to hear the honest thoughts of many Christians. Our political system is broken and corrupt, so let's just send Christians Unite members to run the country. We wouldn't have a chance unless the politicians were removed first.  

UM??? - I'm trying to think about what the politicians would be good at if they couldn't be politicians. I keep coming back to working with or processing manure in some manner.  

Love In Christ,
Tom

[Shammu]

Oklahoma Howdy to All,

UM??? - I'm trying to think about what the politicians would be good at if they couldn't be politicians. I keep coming back to working with or processing manure in some manner.  

Love In Christ,
Tom

*SPEW!*

Clean up in aisle 4 please.

[Kristi Ann]

Oklahoma Howdy to All,

UM??? - I'm trying to think about what the politicians would be good at if they couldn't be politicians. I keep coming back to working with or processing manure in some manner.  

Love In Christ,
Tom

*SPEW!*

Clean up in aisle 4 please.

LOL DreamWeaver!!!

Not many people know I am colored blind too, which is very rare for a female...

Plus lets not fight over Kerry or Bush, Pray for what's best Please!!!!

Blessings,  \o/

[ollie]

Oklahoma Howdy to All,

I love all of you. It's really been interesting to hear the honest thoughts of many Christians. Our political system is broken and corrupt, so let's just send Christians Unite members to run the country. We wouldn't have a chance unless the politicians were removed first.  

UM??? - I'm trying to think about what the politicians would be good at if they couldn't be politicians. I keep coming back to working with or processing manure in some manner.  

Love In Christ,
Tom

[ollie]

Oklahoma Howdy to All,

UM??? - I'm trying to think about what the politicians would be good at if they couldn't be politicians. I keep coming back to working with or processing manure in some manner.  

Love In Christ,
Tom

*SPEW!*

Clean up in aisle 4 please.

"*SPEW!*"

And gag.

[ollie]

Oklahoma Howdy to All,

UM??? - I'm trying to think about what the politicians would be good at if they couldn't be politicians. I keep coming back to working with or processing manure in some manner.  

Love In Christ,
Tom

*SPEW!*

Clean up in aisle 4 please.

LOL DreamWeaver!!!

Not many people know I am colored blind too, which is very rare for a female...

Plus lets not fight over Kerry or Bush, Pray for what's best Please!!!!

Blessings,  \o/

"Pray for what's best"

Amen. Also the leaders of the land.  

[sincereheart]