CHRIST OR the devil

[Bronzesnake]

Broonze would it hurt for you to do me a little favor. Just a little itty bitty one?
Thats all I'm asking.
just type me a few letters.

Yes/no

i gotta have your answer.
I can't sleep

 I'm wondering if all you want is amunition to attack with, or, if you truely want to understand my belief on this subject. I have made myself clear, and all my posts are here to read.

 The Jews who do not accept Jesus and die will be resurrected at the second coming, and will accept Jesus at that time.

 Bronzesnake

[Mrs.Chosen]

"Jews don’t need to be ‘saved’; they’re already God’s chosen people. Even the New Testament says ‘so all Israel shall be saved.’"

The gospel was first preached to the Jews. They were commanded to repent and trust the Savior (Acts 2:38), and warned that if they didn’t repent, they would perish (Luke 13:3). John the Baptist preached fearful words to those who, simply because they were Jews, thought that they need not repent. The Bible says, "Then said he to the multitude that came forth to be baptized of him, O generation of vipers, who has warned you to flee from the wrath to come? Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say to you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children to Abraham. And now also the axe is laid to the root of the trees: every tree therefore which brings not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire" (Luke 3:7–9).

This is taken from Kirk Cameron's website www.livingwaters.com

[Bronzesnake]

"Jews don’t need to be ‘saved’; they’re already God’s chosen people. Even the New Testament says ‘so all Israel shall be saved.’"

The gospel was first preached to the Jews. They were commanded to repent and trust the Savior (Acts 2:38), and warned that if they didn’t repent, they would perish (Luke 13:3). John the Baptist preached fearful words to those who, simply because they were Jews, thought that they need not repent. The Bible says, "Then said he to the multitude that came forth to be baptized of him, O generation of vipers, who has warned you to flee from the wrath to come? Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say to you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children to Abraham. And now also the axe is laid to the root of the trees: every tree therefore which brings not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire" (Luke 3:7–9).

This is taken from Kirk Cameron's website www.livingwaters.com

Mrs. Chosen, you're beating a dead horse  

 It's way beyond that - she's actually pounding it's bones into dust so the giant from Jack and the beanstock can make bread with the horse-bone flour!  

Bronzesnake

[Mrs.Chosen]

Oh guys please!
I was doing some research and studies and I came across this and I said to my self "hey we were talking alot about that and just wanted to share with everyone. Notice they are someones words and not my own.
Also this topic won't seem to go away!!! For some reason it has not made it to the 2nd page yet.
So I may be beating that dead horse but who's to say the horse won't have everlasting life and get back up?

I'm crazy yall just ignor me!!!

[Allinall]

Just throwing in a thought here:

I am speaking the truth in Christ--I am not lying; my conscience bears me witness in the Holy Spirit-- that I have great sorrow and unceasing anguish in my heart. For I could wish that I myself were accursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my brothers, my kinsmen according to the flesh. They are Israelites, and to them belong the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises. To them belong the patriarchs, and from their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen.
   

   But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel, and not all are children of Abraham because they are his offspring, but "Through Isaac shall your offspring be named." This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as offspring. For this is what the promise said: "About this time next year I will return and Sarah shall have a son." And not only so, but also when Rebecca had conceived children by one man, our forefather Isaac, though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad--in order that God's purpose of election might continue, not because of works but because of his call-- she was told, "The older will serve the younger." As it is written, "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated."

   What shall we say then? Is there injustice on God's part? By no means! For he says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion." So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy. For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, "For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth." So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills.

   You will say to me then, "Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?" But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, "Why have you made me like this?" Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honored use and another for dishonorable use? What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory-- even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles? As indeed he says in Hosea,

   "Those who were not my people I will call 'my people,'
   and her who was not beloved I will call 'beloved.'"
"And in the very place where it was said to them, 'You are not my people,'
   there they will be called 'sons of the living God.'"

   And Isaiah cries out concerning Israel: "Though the number of the sons of Israel be as the sand of the sea, only a remnant of them will be saved, for the Lord will carry out his sentence upon the earth fully and without delay." And as Isaiah predicted,

   "If the Lord of hosts had not left us offspring,
   we would have been like Sodom
   and become like Gomorrah."

   What shall we say, then? That Gentiles who did not pursue righteousness have attained it, that is, a righteousness that is by faith; but that Israel who pursued a law that would lead to righteousness did not succeed in reaching that law. Why? Because they did not pursue it by faith, but as if it were based on works. They have stumbled over the stumbling stone, as it is written,

   "Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offense;
   and whoever believes in him will not be put to shame."

Romans 9

Why would Paul wish himself accursed for the saving grace to befall his people if that grace were a forgone conclusion?  And why would God say that birth alone doesn't make a Jew a Jew?  And why only a "remnant" instead of the whole?

Let me just say that I don't understand the whole kit and kaboodle.  I just think that the scripture is pretty clear on this matter.  Could be wrong.  Have been before.  WAIT!!!!!!![/b]  No.  The world's still spinning and the sky has not fallen.  WOW!!! I can be wrong!  

Later.

[Bronzesnake]

But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel, and not all are children of Abraham because they are his offspring, but "Through Isaac shall your offspring be named." This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as offspring

 Ishmael is the father of Islam - his father was Abram - he was not included in the promise - he is not a Jew, even though he was descended from Abram.

 God will keep His promise to His chosen people - This has been my contention all along. Some of you keep arguing about who is and is not a Jew - I'm saying "whoever" God knows as a Jew will be saved, as God has promised.

 Please - let it go!  

Bronzesnake

[Soldier4Christ]

[qoute]I'm saying "whoever" God knows as a Jew will be saved, as God has promised.

Please - let it go!

Amen to that Bronze.

[Jemidon2004]

Whew, I thought they'd never stop!!! LOL.

[Allinall]

But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel, and not all are children of Abraham because they are his offspring, but "Through Isaac shall your offspring be named." This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as offspring

 Ishmael is the father of Islam - his father was Abram - he was not included in the promise - he is not a Jew, even though he was descended from Abram.

 God will keep His promise to His chosen people - This has been my contention all along. Some of you keep arguing about who is and is not a Jew - I'm saying "whoever" God knows as a Jew will be saved, as God has promised.

 Please - let it go!  

Bronzesnake

Yah, but...


 

[Bronzesnake]

But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel, and not all are children of Abraham because they are his offspring, but "Through Isaac shall your offspring be named." This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as offspring

 Ishmael is the father of Islam - his father was Abram - he was not included in the promise - he is not a Jew, even though he was descended from Abram.

 God will keep His promise to His chosen people - This has been my contention all along. Some of you keep arguing about who is and is not a Jew - I'm saying "whoever" God knows as a Jew will be saved, as God has promised.

 Please - let it go!  

Bronzesnake

Yah, but...


 

 Well there's that and...  
This is as bad as a "farewell" Who concert!  

Bronzesnake

[the overlooked]

 right on dude.  there is a wiccan female at my school and she says i serve the devil because i am a christian and not of her religion.

[tsu05]

if i were you i would be laughing in her face...be like hmmm...where do you guys call half your so called powers from.  I believe its from Satan.  But our God is their Satan so be like okay.  They are scared of God.

[Bronzesnake]

Zaddikimyah quote...

Revelation speaks of a beastly system which murdered the saints and then came forth as a pretender to the authority of the One Lord Yeshua!

If the Jesus many expouse does not declare the will of the Father, but rather the testimony and practices of an other.
That "Jesus" taught by a FALSE PROPHET is NOT the SON
of YAH .. but a son of .. well I think you already know!

 I knew you'd eventually show your true colours. Your post has been removed.

This type of anti-Jesus will not be tollerated here.

This is your first and final warning.

Moderator.

[jesusavedme]

I have gotten about two pages into this debate and just felt compelled to jump in here in defense of Mrs. Chosen's standpoint.  If someone is truly a born-again Christian, not merely a professing hypocrite, how could you even think upon accepting the notion that a Christ-rejector is or ever will be saved?  Be it far from all of us to fathom.  Jesus was speaking to the Jews when He said, "he that believeth NOT is condemned already."  Plain and simple.  Without Christ, no man shall see God.  He is our Holiness.  What are we arguing about.  If all the Jews shall be saved merely because of their bloodline, isn't this grossly unfair to all of the Philistines, Hittites, etc.  Why one bloodline and not the other?  I thought that God had "no respect of persons"?  Of course, He doesn't, and Mrs. Chosen, stand stand stand and do not move because on the Bible you are.

[Mrs.Chosen]

OKAY JEsus SavedMe
I hear ya!
Thank you. come see about me and my ministry @ www.freewebs.com/mrschosen  it's just my ministry site.