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« on: February 01, 2005, 02:48:23 PM »

Hi,

I need some help. OK, I have a friend whose Muslim, right, and I tried talking to her about what I believe in, but she gave me a whole bunch of Bible quotes that say that Jesus wasn't God. I checked them and there real. for example:

John 5:19 "So Jesus answered them 'I am telling you the truth: the Son can do nothing on his own; he does only what he sees his Father doing. What the Father does, the Son also does.'"

John 5:30-32 "'I can do nothing on my own authority; I judge only as God tells me, so my judgement is right, because I am not trying to do what I want, but only what he who sent me wants. If I testify on my own behalf, what I say is not to be accepted as real proof. But there is another who testifies on my behalf, and I know that what He says about Me is true.'"

Luke 18:19 "'Why do you call me good?" Jesus asked him. "No one is good except God alone'"

She gave me about twenty verses like that, and I don't know how to rebuttle. Please help.

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« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2005, 03:09:09 PM »

Welcome to the forum, hihellowhatsup.

I suggest that you look under the Apologetics section. There are two threads there that should be of help to you. They are titled "Is Jesus God" part one and part two.

If that isn't enough and leaves you with questions still feel free to ask but I think you will find it pretty thorough.

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« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2005, 10:44:04 PM »

Hi,

I need some help. OK, I have a friend whose Muslim, right, and I tried talking to her about what I believe in, but she gave me a whole bunch of Bible quotes that say that Jesus wasn't God. I checked them and there real. for example:

John 5:19 "So Jesus answered them 'I am telling you the truth: the Son can do nothing on his own; he does only what he sees his Father doing. What the Father does, the Son also does.'"

John 5:30-32 "'I can do nothing on my own authority; I judge only as God tells me, so my judgement is right, because I am not trying to do what I want, but only what he who sent me wants. If I testify on my own behalf, what I say is not to be accepted as real proof. But there is another who testifies on my behalf, and I know that what He says about Me is true.'"

Luke 18:19 "'Why do you call me good?" Jesus asked him. "No one is good except God alone'"

She gave me about twenty verses like that, and I don't know how to rebuttle. Please help.

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hihellowhatsup

 I'll give you a quick answer to hold you over until you go through the other threads that Pastor Roger suggested.

 Jesus is man and God. Jesus willingly emptied Himself of His omniscient nature in order to make Himself open to temptation and ultimately, death. Whenever Jesus performed any miracle, He would pray to God the Father, and because Jesus was a perfect, sinless man, God granted His every prayer.

 As for this verse...

Luke 18:19 "'Why do you call me good?" Jesus asked him. "No one is good except God alone'"

 Once we understand that Jesus is God - (and He says He is God many times) - we can then understand that Jesus is being rhetorical when He asks this man that question.

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« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2005, 01:33:57 AM »

"I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty."

Now ask them, “Who is this ‘Alpha and Omega’? Is it not God?”

#2 ask them to read Revelation 22:13,

"I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last."

Now ask them, “Who is this ‘First and Last’? Is it not God?

#3 ask them to read Revelation 1:17-18,

"And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore…"

Now ask them, “When did God die?”


Joh 20:28  And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
Joh 20:29  Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
Joh 20:28  And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

oh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2  The same was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3  All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Joh 1:4  In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
Joh 1:13  Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
Joh 1:14  And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.


1Jo 5:1  Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
1Jo 3:9  Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1Jo 5:18  We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
Joh 3:3  Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
we must be born of god also !
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lean not to your own understanding ,the just live by faith ,you do not need to be taught of any man ,the HOLY  SPIRIT will teach you everything .We are NEW CREATURES IN CHRIST JESUS .NOT OF THIS WORLD .WE ARE AS OUR LORD .HE WILL RETURN SOON FOR HIS BRIDE .Rev 1:6  And hath made us kings and priests
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« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2005, 07:39:46 AM »

Check this out:

This has got to be one of the strongest Scriptures supporting His deity that i've found yet:

Phillipians 2:4-11

Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others. Let this midn be in you which was also in Christ Jesus. Who, being in the form of GOD, thought it not robbery to be equal with God. But made himself of no reputation and took upon him the form of a servant and was made in the likeness of men: and being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and beecame obedient unto death even the death of the cross. Wherefor God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the Glory of God the Father.

Notice in verse 6 it says "Who being in the FORM of God, thought it not Robbery to be EQUAL with God. This signifies that Christ eteernally possesses every nature of God. To own the nature of God is to be God and to be equal with the other personallities of the Godhead (namely the Father and the Spirit) This is all I can post at the moment, but i encourage you to read in the Apologetics section on Jesus is God part 2...I have a study there as well as many others...I'm sure we've covered in as much detail as time allowed us...so I pray you will see the Truth of God's Word. God Bless

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« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2005, 03:35:20 PM »

AMEN BROTHERS!!

Jesus Christ was and is Almighty God, the Creator.

Understanding this and what Jesus Christ did on the Cross is the devil's worst nightmare.

There was and is only one perfect Sacrifice, VERY GOD made manifest in the flesh. HE is known by many precious, Holy, and Mighty names in the Holy Bible, but JESUS is HIS most precious name to a lost, dark, and dying world. The same is true for those who have accepted HIM as Lord and Saviour forever. HE lives in our hearts, and HE is the core of our lives.

For us who love HIM, HE is the only complete and eternal LOVE we will ever know. HIS LOVE is beyond human definition and description. HE died on the Cross for us, ONLY because HE wanted to, NOT because men had power over HIM. OUR LORD also has might and power beyond human description. BUT, HIS first coming was to rescue us from the curse of sin and death, to fulfill the Law, and offer HIMSELF for the punishment we richly deserve. He arose from the dead on the third day and is our Living Lord and Saviour forever.

HIS great love for us does not diminish HIS great might and power. Those who love HIM also know that HE is the:

GREAT I AM
KING OF KINGS
LORD OF LORDS
LORD OF HOSTS
ALMIGHTY GOD


HE will come to earth a second time in great power and wrath. Mankind has been given over 2,000 years to confess, repent, and accept HIM as LORD over their lives. This huge amount of time for men is yet another example of HIS patience, mercy, and love. HE will one day wield a Terrible Swift Sword and HIS judgments will be just, terrible, and eternal for those who have rejected him. That day may be soon, and the time grows short to confess, repent, and accept HIM as Lord and Saviour. It is far past time to kneel at HIS feet and ask HIM to be the LORD over your life. Won't you consider doing this today? Tomorrow may be too late!

Love In Christ,
Tom

John 3:16-18 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Psalms 116:13  I will take the cup of salvation, and call upon the name of the LORD.

II Timothy 4:8  Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.

Romans 10:10  For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

John 4:14  But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.

1 Peter 2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

Ephesians 1:12-14  That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
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« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2005, 12:30:28 AM »

Hi,

I need some help. OK, I have a friend whose Muslim, right, and I tried talking to her about what I believe in, but she gave me a whole bunch of Bible quotes that say that Jesus wasn't God. I checked them and there real. for example:

John 5:19 "So Jesus answered them 'I am telling you the truth: the Son can do nothing on his own; he does only what he sees his Father doing. What the Father does, the Son also does.'"

John 5:30-32 "'I can do nothing on my own authority; I judge only as God tells me, so my judgement is right, because I am not trying to do what I want, but only what he who sent me wants. If I testify on my own behalf, what I say is not to be accepted as real proof. But there is another who testifies on my behalf, and I know that what He says about Me is true.'"

Luke 18:19 "'Why do you call me good?" Jesus asked him. "No one is good except God alone'"

She gave me about twenty verses like that, and I don't know how to rebuttle. Please help.

Thanx,
hihellowhatsup

Heb.1:8
 God says, "But about the Son he says, "Your throne O God will last for ever and ever."
Mt. 1:23 "The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a Son, and they will call Him Emmanuel, which means, "God with us." 1Jn.5:20 Jesus is true God. Jn.8:58 "I tell you the truth, "Jesus answered, "Before Abraham was, I am."  Also, Please read, Jn.1:1-3,14

God bless you,
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« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2005, 01:30:24 PM »

Hi,

I need some help. OK, I have a friend whose Muslim, right, and I tried talking to her about what I believe in, but she gave me a whole bunch of Bible quotes that say that Jesus wasn't God. I checked them and there real. for example:...She gave me about twenty verses like that, and I don't know how to rebuttle. Please help.

According to Thayer's Lexicon, the verdict on the diety of Iesus is still out.  The reason being is that the NT is contradictory on the subject.
In fact, any supposed references to the diety of Iesus were added after the fact by scribes.
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« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2005, 02:32:04 PM »

Hi,

I need some help. OK, I have a friend whose Muslim, right, and I tried talking to her about what I believe in, but she gave me a whole bunch of Bible quotes that say that Jesus wasn't God. I checked them and there real. for example:...She gave me about twenty verses like that, and I don't know how to rebuttle. Please help.

According to Thayer's Lexicon, the verdict on the diety of Iesus is still out.  The reason being is that the NT is contradictory on the subject.
In fact, any supposed references to the diety of Iesus were added after the fact by scribes.

I would have to strongly disagree. The entire Holy Bible testifies that Jesus Christ is ALMIGHTY GOD.

"Is Jesus God - Part One"
http://forums.christiansunite.com/index.php?board=6;action=display;threadid=2397

"Is Jesus God - Part Two"
http://forums.christiansunite.com/index.php?board=6;action=display;threadid=6495

To say that Jesus Christ is not God is heresy, and it would be blasphemy in many cases.

Love In Christ,
Tom

1 Corinthians 1:18  For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
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« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2005, 10:43:21 PM »

Hi,

I need some help. OK, I have a friend whose Muslim, right, and I tried talking to her about what I believe in, but she gave me a whole bunch of Bible quotes that say that Jesus wasn't God. I checked them and there real. for example:...She gave me about twenty verses like that, and I don't know how to rebuttle. Please help.

According to Thayer's Lexicon, the verdict on the diety of Iesus is still out.  The reason being is that the NT is contradictory on the subject.
In fact, any supposed references to the diety of Iesus were added after the fact by scribes.

Raoooul,
I guess you didn't read all the passages from the Bible that were given here. Smiley
Do you know who Jesus is?

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« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2005, 11:43:31 PM »

Hi,

I need some help. OK, I have a friend whose Muslim, right, and I tried talking to her about what I believe in, but she gave me a whole bunch of Bible quotes that say that Jesus wasn't God. I checked them and there real. for example:...She gave me about twenty verses like that, and I don't know how to rebuttle. Please help.

According to Thayer's Lexicon, the verdict on the diety of Iesus is still out.  The reason being is that the NT is contradictory on the subject.
In fact, any supposed references to the diety of Iesus were added after the fact by scribes.
If there are any contradictions they are in the minds of men. The Triune God reality cannot be entirely comprehended by finite man but can be enjoyed. God's love is to be comprehended not His triune nature. His triune nature is simply to be enjoyed!
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17That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,

   18May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;

   19And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.


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« Reply #11 on: March 27, 2005, 12:52:01 PM »

Amen Brother Asaph!

The devil's worst nightmare is that men will understand who JESUS CHRIST was and is. HE IS RISEN!!!! AND IS OUR LIVING LORD AND SAVIOUR!!!!

Love In Christ,
Tom

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« Reply #12 on: March 30, 2005, 03:46:21 PM »

Amen Brother Asaph!

The devil's worst nightmare is that men will understand who JESUS CHRIST was and is. HE IS RISEN!!!! AND IS OUR LIVING LORD AND SAVIOUR!!!!

Love In Christ,
Tom

John 6:33  For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.
Aaaaaaa...men!

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