Sophisticated & Philosophical Question!

[tony]

Which came first... the chicken or the egg?  For extra credit, please explain your answer!

[JudgeNot]

Elementary my dear Watstony:

Genesis 1
21  And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
22  And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.

So – in verse 21 He created the fowl, then in verse 22 He told them to multiply (no – not do math, but lay eggs!).  

Hence: without a doubt the chicken came first.

How much extra credit do I get???  

[tony]

Hence: without a doubt the chicken came first.

How much extra credit do I get???  

Mega bonus points, my Brother!!!

[ebia]

Hence: without a doubt the chicken came first.

How much extra credit do I get???  

You are, of course, assuming that God didn't create the birds by creating the eggs and letting them hatch.

Mega bonus points, my Brother!!!

[ollie]

 

[thommy]

Hi all,

If you wanted to get technical about it, I think you'd have to say that the egg came first, seeing as dinosaurs laid eggs well before the chiken existed.

cheers,

Thom

[Bronzesnake]

Hi all,

If you wanted to get technical about it, I think you'd have to say that the egg came first, seeing as dinosaurs laid eggs well before the chiken existed.

cheers,

Thom

 So the question then should be - which came first the dinosaur or the chicken?  

 By the way, not all dinosaurs laid eggs. So, what's the question now?  

 Also, how much older is the dinosaur than the chicken?    

Bronzesnake

[Evangelist]

Hi all,

If you wanted to get technical about it, I think you'd have to say that the egg came first, seeing as dinosaurs laid eggs well before the chiken existed.

cheers,

Thom

 So the question then should be - which came first the dinosaur or the chicken?  

 By the way, not all dinosaurs laid eggs. So, what's the question now?  

 Also, how much older is the dinosaur than the chicken?    

Bronzesnake

You're absolutely right, Bronze....and the dinosaur came first. That is absolutely and beyond a shadoo of a doubt proven conclusively by the existence of the famous dinosaur-becomes-chicken-because-it-has-feathers fossil.  And it is now believed that it was a live birth! And since it took the dinosaur somewhere between 6,000 and leventy-dozen billion years to make that transition, it is obviously much much older.  The oldest pure chicken fossil found is only about 12,000 years old.

Given enough time (??), I'm sure we'll find some other fossils that are even more intermediate between the dinosaur and the pure chicken (banty roosters).

[Bronzesnake]

Hi all,

If you wanted to get technical about it, I think you'd have to say that the egg came first, seeing as dinosaurs laid eggs well before the chiken existed.

cheers,

Thom

 So the question then should be - which came first the dinosaur or the chicken?  

 By the way, not all dinosaurs laid eggs. So, what's the question now?  

 Also, how much older is the dinosaur than the chicken?    

Bronzesnake

You're absolutely right, Bronze....and the dinosaur came first. That is absolutely and beyond a shadoo of a doubt proven conclusively by the existence of the famous dinosaur-becomes-chicken-because-it-has-feathers fossil.  And it is now believed that it was a live birth! And since it took the dinosaur somewhere between 6,000 and leventy-dozen billion years to make that transition, it is obviously much much older.  The oldest pure chicken fossil found is only about 12,000 years old.

Given enough time (??), I'm sure we'll find some other fossils that are even more intermediate between the dinosaur and the pure chicken (banty roosters).

LOL! Let's be more specific my friend, so as not to confuse.
You mean the FAKE - dinosaur-becomes-chicken-because-it-has-feathers fossil.

Bronzesnake  

[thommy]

Hi all,

Perhaps I should have been more clear as to what I meant, and more careful not to set off your collective "deny evolution" alarms, but I was simply refering to an egg an entity seperate from a chicken all together.  Seeing as Dinosaurs produced things called eggs, then that becomes the answer to the question.  Not because the dinosaur gave birth to a chicken, but simply because it laid an egg of any variety.

Hope that clears things up a bit.

cheers,

Thom

[Bronzesnake]

Hi all,

Perhaps I should have been more clear as to what I meant, and more careful not to set off your collective "deny evolution" alarms, but I was simply refering to an egg an entity seperate from a chicken all together.  Seeing as Dinosaurs produced things called eggs, then that becomes the answer to the question.  Not because the dinosaur gave birth to a chicken, but simply because it laid an egg of any variety.

Hope that clears things up a bit.

cheers,

Thom

 The reason you didn't, and won't get a serious answer is because we don't want to set off your "deny creation" brain cramps.  

Bronzesnake

[Kris777]

Seeing as Dinosaurs produced things called eggs, then that becomes the answer to the question.  Not because the dinosaur gave birth to a chicken, but simply because it laid an egg of any variety.

Any variety? You make it sound like it decided to give birth to a horse and maybe then a fish and then when it felt like it a cow.  I do think that things can change slightly over time, but I don't think that everything came from a single cell that was a form of bacteria and then became more complex.  That I won't by.

[thommy]

Bronze,

I wouldn't dream of denying cration as you so crassly suggested.  To do such a thing would be contrary to the Bible, and very un-Christian.  I wholeheartedly beleive that the universe in which we live was created by God, and that we are the products of that creation.  In that, I'm sure we can at least find some common ground.  My own views on the evolution creation matter are probably something for another thread, but I'm sure you would argue them with the same welcome vigor you argue most of your points.  I really wasn't looking for a fight on the chicken and egg bit, it was more of a joking observation, that I think dinosaurs laid some form of egg before the chicken existed... thats it.. no argument intended.  

On another note, I do think that a lot of evolutionary theory is slightly more than a brian cramp, but you're perfectly entitled to your opinion..albeit usually divergent from my own.

Kris777, I feel remiss in pointing out that you misinterpreted my post.  I was pointing out that a dinosaur, lets call him jimmy, laid an egg before the chicken existed as a species.  So, the egg that jimmy laid, still an egg in its own right, sat on this planet before the chicken did.  I was not suggesting that the egg opened and produced a horse.  

thanks,

Thom

Oh,  as an adendum, although this is a completely seperate matter, Bronze, I've really enjoyed your satunch defence of your position on the Jewish question. For the record, I think you're bang on with this one, and you should be commended for your wisdom in that particular side of the debate.

[Kris777]

Kris777, I feel remiss in pointing out that you misinterpreted my post.  I was pointing out that a dinosaur, lets call him jimmy, laid an egg before the chicken existed as a species.  So, the egg that jimmy laid, still an egg in its own right, sat on this planet before the chicken did.  I was not suggesting that the egg opened and produced a horse.

Jimmy can't lay an egg, maybe Jimmetta, but not Jimmy.  


I agree with what Silver wrote.

[Bronzesnake]

Thommy quote..

Bronze, I wouldn't dream of denying cration as you so crassly suggested.  To do such a thing would be contrary to the Bible, and very un-Christian.  I wholeheartedly beleive that the universe in which we live was created by God, and that we are the products of that creation.  In that, I'm sure we can at least find some common ground.  My own views on the evolution creation matter are probably something for another thread, but I'm sure you would argue them with the same welcome vigor you argue most of your points.  I really wasn't looking for a fight on the chicken and egg bit, it was more of a joking observation, that I think dinosaurs laid some form of egg before the chicken existed... thats it.. no argument intended.  

On another note, I do think that a lot of evolutionary theory is slightly more than a brian cramp, but you're perfectly entitled to your opinion..albeit usually divergent from my own.

Kris777, I feel remiss in pointing out that you misinterpreted my post.  I was pointing out that a dinosaur, lets call him jimmy, laid an egg before the chicken existed as a species.  So, the egg that jimmy laid, still an egg in its own right, sat on this planet before the chicken did.  I was not suggesting that the egg opened and produced a horse.  

thanks,

Thom

Oh,  as an adendum, although this is a completely seperate matter, Bronze, I've really enjoyed your satunch defence of your position on the Jewish question. For the record, I think you're bang on with this one, and you should be commended for your wisdom in that particular side of the debate.

 Thommy. I "crassly" suggested it, because you "crassly" suggested the opposite...I thought that was evident.  

 For the record, and without getting into any debate...micro, not macro. I am offering anyone who wants to debate evolution/creation the opportunity to do so on The Fifth Day forum. I believe it is an important topic for Christians to get a true grasp of. I suppose you have viewed "In The Begining" right here in the Bible Study thread?

 I guess this whole topic boils down to a philisophical  argument, and not really a Biblical one.

Thanks for the support on my debate in regard to the Jews...I wish you would have backed me up though!  

Bronzesnake