Born Again

[Jabez]

Ive seen alot of posting not just here but other places that has got me confused.If you are born again and have Jesus as your savior,can you still sin?Some say no!Iam confused!Does that mean once a person becomes saved they are not accountable for what they do?

[Ambassador4Christ]

Ive seen alot of posting not just here but other places that has got me confused.If you are born again and have Jesus as your savior,can you still sin?Some say no!Iam confused!Does that mean once a person becomes saved they are not accountable for what they do?

How many times can a person be Born Again?

[Jabez]

I geuss i will answer your qeustion first since you started this thread.Once!Please if you can ,help me to understand the qeustions ive posted?Thanks

[Petro]

I geuss i will answer your qeustion first since you started this thread.Once!Please if you can ,help me to understand the qeustions ive posted?Thanks

Many believe, that they can sin one moment, lose their salvation and repent the next moment and regain it, but the Bible is clear at Hebrews 6:6;



verse 4; It would be impossible:

verse 6  If they should fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they would have crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

The key words to understanding these verses are ;

It would be impossible ......If they should fall away ....

and the KEY WORD, is the word "IF", which is a word added in the english to help put forth the teaching of scripture.

Here is the passage in the Greek-English Interlinear Testament;

4  For [it is] impossible, those once enlightened, and [who] tasted of the gift heavenly, and partakers became of [the] Spirit Holy,

5  and [the] good tasted of God word and [the] works of power of [the] to come age,

6  and [who] fall away, again to renew to repentace, crucifying for themselves [as they do] the Son of God and exposing [him] publicly.

It is clear from these verses, that it would be

vs 4 impossible

vs 6  to renew again to repentance

Any;

6  who fall away

If this is speaking of sin, which I believe it is....  ( and it is the unforgiveable sin at that), then whoever it is that commits it, can never be brought back to repentance, according to this passage.

However many who teach one can lose their salvation do not believe, that they can never be brought back to repentance, since they teach and speak of being able to ask forgiveness and can receive repentance to once again enjoy the benefits of being a child of  with God.

So what is the answer to this deliema? that is a thorn in the side of Gods church, it is simply a wrong understanding of the scriptures, By those who make themselves teachers, teaching that the power the OT law has power to slay,  Gods children.

It is clear that the blood of Jesus cleanses us from ALL sin (1 Jhn 1:7)  What does this mean??

Does ALL mean just the sins, one has commited until the day he is saved??

Or, ALL of the sins one has committed, is commititng and will commit until the day he dies physically??

The answer is found clearly and concisely in Gods Word.

Note;

Rom 5
5:1  Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
2  By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
3  And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;
4  And patience, experience; and experience, hope:
5  And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.
6  For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
7  For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.
8  But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
9  Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
10  For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
11  And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.
12  Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
13  (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
14  Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
15  But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
16  And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.
17  For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
18  Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

Yes SIN,  is the transgression of the Law (1 Jhn 3:4)

However the Law was never given that by keeping it any man might be saved, since it was given by God so that man could examine himself to determine if he had sinned against GOD.

The keeping of the Law could never justify one before God, it was weak and powerless to save soulws, like  thermometer which one uses to determine if he is sick unto death, and since sin requires the shedding of blood for its remission, one can know if he is right or not right with God, by the law is the knowledge of sin (Rom 3:19-20)

And the law of God is likened to a schoolmaster or a tutor (who teaches privately) Galations 3:20-25,   and brings men to Christ by FAITH, notice the KEY verses;

That all who recieve FAITH might be justified by IT, and not by keeping the Law.

Gal 3
24  Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25  But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

Now, having said all this, How is it, that transgression of the law does not cause the children of God, to lose the gift of the grace of God (which is the same gift of Christ) (Eph 3:7, 4:7)  ETERNAL LIFE

Cont's...............................

[Petro]

Here it is;

Rom 6
6:1  What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2  God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
3  Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4  Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5  For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6  Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7  For he that is dead is freed from sin.
8  Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
9  Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
10  For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11  Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
12  Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
13  Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
14  For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Gentiles were never under the law.....period.

Rom 3
21  But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22  Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
23  For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24  Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25  Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
26  To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
27  Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
28  Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
30  Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
31  Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.


The verse that was key in bringing me, to this truth ,as a babe in Christ many years ago was this verse in;

Rom 5:16  "but the free gift is of many offences unto justification."

In spite of many transgressions, which are called offences to them that live in the Spirit, we who are covered by the blood of Jesus shall be justified in the end.

Because only His blood can deliver from sin;

....... since the blood of bulls and goats could never take away sin (Heb 10:4)

Remember this whosoever is in Christ is not under the law, and law has no power to kill the child of God, because if it did, that means the the sin that killed a child of God, would have to be purged with the saviors blood in order to restore that child back to Gods family, and there is no more blood to be shed for sin, He did it once and for ALL according to the scriptures (Heb 1:3, Heb 10:10)

Heb 10
12  But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
13  From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
14  For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
15  Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
16  This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
17  And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
18  Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

We now have an advocate (both Jesus and the Holy Spirit) who pleads our case before God Day and Night, Providing a continuining remedy for sin.  (1 Jhn 2:1)

God Bless,

Petro

[Jabez]

Thank you for the wonderful answer.One thing still on my mind is,and maybe it was how i was brought up,is ive always thought we must confess our sins and ask for forgiveness and threw Jesus blood we are forgiven.But we must confess?

[Petro]

Thank you for the wonderful answer.One thing still on my mind is,and maybe it was how i was brought up,is ive always thought we must confess our sins and ask for forgiveness and threw Jesus blood we are forgiven.But we must confess?

jabez,

This is true, but it is not enough to just confess, but come broken hearted to HIM, because of sin.

1Jhn1
 8  If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9  If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

God Bless,

Petro

[Jabez]

Thank you Petro.Some people beleive once your reborn, that you dont need to confess of your sins anymore.Iam glad ive got this cleared up within myself.

[Petro]

jabes,

Sin, breaks fellowship with God.

In the physical realm, when a son, disobeys his father it is just like sinning before God, since breaking his law is always due to disobedience.

Remember it was disobedience at the garden that brought death to the entire human race.

And disobedience needs to be delt with, although sins are ALL covered by ther Blood of God's Lamb, the Christians prayers are hindered, and God, cannot and will not answer prayer, this is made clear when one considers the Command to Love one another.

Mat 5
22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
23 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee;
24 Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.

In the verses above, what was the reason for bringing gifts to the altar, if not for the purpose of receiving a blessing from God, the priest would offer up the gift, sin would be forgiven and the blessing given.

Jesus in effect is saying at verse 24;  God in effect will not receive worship from a believer who is not on speaking terms with his brother.

Or If you want to be forgiven your trespasses, forgive your brothers against you.

So, although God does not disown His children if they sin, He cannot excuse sin unless, the sin that is willfully commited against His known will  is purged, this is why He has put His laws in the hearts and minds of His people, there are no excuses, His people know better..

Consider this one in  James 1

3:1  Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives;
2  While they behold your chaste conversation coupled with fear.
3  Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;
4  But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.
5  For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands:
6  Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement.
7  Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered. (1Pet3:1-7)

God wants men to treat their wives with honor, as the weaker vessel in the inheritance tohether in Him.


Blessings,

Petro

[bluelake]

Jabez,
We are born again when we accept Jesus Christ as our Savior. He chose us from the foundation of the world.
If we say we have no sin the truth is not in us. Yes, we do sin everyday, but we have a Savior who is faithful and just to forgive our sins. Confess and repent.
"We are saved by grace through faith, it is not of ourselves it is a gift of God, not by works  so that no one can boast." (Eph.2:8-9) So you see, don't worry, Jesus loves you and me.

God bless,
bluelake  

[bluelake]

Jabez,
We are born again when we accept Jesus Christ as our Savior. He chose us from the foundation of the world.
If we say we have no sin the truth is not in us. Yes, we do sin everyday, but we have a Savior who is faithful and just to forgive our sins. Confess and repent.
"We are saved by grace through faith, it is not of ourselves it is a gift of God, not by works  so that no one can boast." (Eph.2:8-9) So you see, don't worry, Jesus loves you and me.

God bless,
bluelake  

[ezaangel]

dear bluelake
i totally agree we do need to repent but confession to a priest is wrong you say it to the lord and the lord only.
we are not sinners anymore because jesus lives in us and when we do sin its only the flesh not our spirit because jesus lives there.i believe in the new covenant not the old testaumant.
from gab