Psalms 133:1

He certainly endorsed it says David.  Amos however states that you really don't have just meeting together and confessing Christ only. Agreement with the book is a must to fufill Psalms 133:1 and Amos 3:3 also. No agreement and hanging with folks is sin as much as adultery, stealing and killing is.  

The next question could be can you have unity groups you click with and have incorrect doctrine or political views only?
Peter says no. 2 Peter 1:20-21. No custom made doctrine in Christ that applies to certain people only. All doctrine is 100% truth which means your exposing a lier or the devil and your exposing someone in truth at the same time.

Nothing in the book to say birth control and wearing protection to avoid diseases is sin. I been brought up with this man made doctrine or tradition that's only from the devil. That's why you really need to know your leadership your under  otherwise your not fullfilling 1 Thessalonians 5:12 which is sin as much as lieing, stealing or adultery is. If they intentional in error with the book then obeying Galations 1:8-9 is a must. If they unintentional in error with the book then 2 Corinthians 11:2-3 cuts them some slack to follow their ministry and support them.

2 things came ringing to me from your responses.

1 you say we cant have unity in the bible. i refuse to believe that psalms 133:1 is in the bible for nothing. i refuse to believe that john 17 cant be fulfilled like jesus intended.

2 you say jesus told us to pray for the world. read john 17 again. he said not to pray for the world. instead he said to pray for those that the father has given him and others of another fold of his that have not come to the earthly scene of life.

I admit we have a real fight on our hands with so many bibles and infidel believers or counterfeiters of truth. we in society take a stand on counterfeit money more and thats going to perish away. Counterfeiters of truth are a Matthew 15:14
danger like the Pharisees. our big battle is finding out that they are normally nice people with good intentions and even many of them are tycoons and celebrities all over the world today. That doesnt mean they are not a Matthew 15:14
danger to us.  Just good intentional nice people that reveal
unbelief and disregard for certain bible topics. Thats bad enough let alone worrying about money crooks. money crooks will get caught and revealed faster cause stealing is not an acceptable practice in the world let alone in christianity. you dont get throwed out of office if your infidel on certain bible
topics normally. normally nobody leaves a chuch when somebody is an infidel on certain bible topics. remember
acts 17:31. the men of thessalonia i think were more noble than the people of berea. why was that? they check the book before yielding to the leadership and teaching of the apostles. not to many act 17:31 christians that are really
100% bible believers.

TonyTony,

you mention the word "unity" 'not in the bible its in psalms somewhere stating about how good and pleasant it is for breathen to dwell together in love and unity.

Ok, let me clarify.  What I meant by not finding unity in the Bible was not that you won't find the word or the concept.
What I meant is that you will not find unity in the Bible, as a Book. In order to have unity you must first have union. The free for all that is occurring with those who believe in Sola Scriptura, union nor unity will not occur.

you mention about john 17. notice jesus didnt pray for the world just believers.

Better read again. It is a fourfold prayer. (1) for Himself, He describes His concept of Unity. (2) His Apostles - again the same concept (3) for His Church, those within His Body, those who will believe. again same kind of unity once within His Body. (4)  He prays for the world. He prays that they too may behold Him.
There is no unity outside of Christ, outside of His Body, His Church. We are saved through that guaranteed unity through Christ working through the Holy Spirit in His Church. We could not be saved without that unity. It would be confusion, false teaching, chaos, with the result, a non-effect of Christ's work.

your right to say the church of God cant be divided. its the devil dividing the church.

Depend on how you see the Church and Christ's Body. Christ cannot be divided, neither can His Church, as the Church is His Body.  Christ promised that the gates of Hell shall not prevail against His Church.  However, Satan does tempt, does succeed is leading sinners astray. We are all sinners, even when saved and we are constantly buffeted by the wiles of the devil. But the Church will always stand. Holy and One.

I back my mouth up with 1 Timothy 2:9-14 and
1 Corinthians 14:34

If you have a problem with that just admit your not a believer.
Galations 3:29 does not give a women the okay to preach in church nor pastor. This is dealing with no respect of person with salvation now. Titus 2 has to be telling women to teach outside the church cause 1 Corinthians 14:34 prohibits them doing it in the church. 1 Corinthians 11 doesnt not approve of women teaching in the church it instead approves of them prophesying in church with restricted guidelines that are also brought in 1 Corinthians 14. Prophecy is prophesying it has no church sermon message.

What do you have against Women pastors??  I supposed you have not learned to read the original greek and haven't really studied the scriptures or understand them. Pick up the orignal greek and you will see that therer's NOTHING, not one IOTA of anything that prohibits women pastor's.

Candice:

It is obvious that you have neither read the Greek nor the English New Testaments, since they ABSOLUTELY PROHIBIT women pastors, teachers, or elders, who would be usurping authority.

Your argument is not with men but with God.  It is God who prohibits women for assuming these roles, and it is God who provides the reasons for that. So if you want to argue with God, go ahead. But don't claim falsely that this prohibition does not exist in Scripture. Miriam, the sister of Moses, also rebelled against God-given authority and became a leper.

I also respect your right to disagree and fall out.

I back my mouth up with 1 Timothy 2:9-14.
I came out of traditional teaching using Galations 3:29.
Thats the big error.
Galations 3:29 is simply saying salvation comes with no respect of person. It doesnt license a women to pastor or preach in church.
1 Timothy 3 address men only in the deacon and bishop role.
Opposers must understand that Titus 2 has to be addressing women outside the church when they teach. I say that because of 1 Corinthians 14 stating that God is not the author of confusion. I also state that because of
2 Timothy 2:15.

We get people sticking their chest out with scripture when they have a partial and unbalanced understanding. Blame it on leadership tradition as well as slothfulness and unbelief.

What do you have against Women pastors??  I supposed you have not learned to read the original greek and haven't really studied the scriptures or understand them.

  Pick up the orignal greek and you will see that therer's NOTHING, not one IOTA of anything that prohibits women pastor's.

The original words of God are still availble for us to consult.  

I respect your right to disagree and fall out.

you mention the word "unity" 'not in the bible its in psalms somewhere stating about how good and pleasant it is for breathen to dwell together in love and unity. i think its psalms 133:1. you mention about john 17. notice jesus didnt pray for the world just believers. your right to say the church of God cant be divided. its the devil dividing the church. you dont believe me read matthew 15:14. matthew 15:14 goes on today in the modern average church. we dont have to worry about money crooks we got doctrine crooks which is not so obvious but cunning. if a preacher tells you can despise
1 corinthians 14:34 and still go to heaven they are a
matthew 15:14 danger to your soul in hell and the lake of fire.
if they tell you you can have a marriage ring and despise
1 timothy 2:9-14 they are a matthew 15:14 danger to your
soul in hell and the lake of fire too. thats just a drop in the bucket of how severe these doctrine crooks endanger you.
they often are tycoons and celebrities all over the world so doctrine gets automatically despised because of it. thats where matthew 16:20 comes in. cant serve the doctrine of christ and the doctrine of man too. thats 2 masters.

TonyTony,

I think you are looking for union and not unity. The two are not the same. Also, I don't think you will find unity in the Bible.
Christ is the source of Unity. It is He that is One and Holy. It is He that cannot be divided. If you look at the four fold prayer of Christ in John 17 you will see the definition of what in Unity.

There is an ontological reality between Christ and believers who are His Church. His very Body.
Christ guarantees that unity via the Holy Spirit which He promised that He would send to abide with His Church until the end. Thus the Church has not lost its unity. It is not divided, cannot possibly be. That Church on earth is composed of sinnerful creatures. At times there has been heresy, there has been schisms, one is still in existance today, but the Body has never lost its Unity.
You used Amos 3:3 which is another way of saying what Leviticus 26:23-24. The appointment and unity is between God (Christ) and those who believe in Him.

Let me ask you a question. What is the goal of man or of Christianity?  Is it to achieve a more moral and responsible individual therefore order or existance?

What is a Christian really accomplishing if common sense determines right and wrong only? Why bother to go to church or are you just fulfilling Hebrews 10:25 while pushing aside Galations 1:8-9? The nonoffensive doctrine is greatly pushed aside as optional doctrine to practice to go to heaven. Bible standards are lowered on jewelry, hygiene and apparel. Lowered with divorced Christian remarrying. The Sabbath teaching is despised. Baptism requirements are despised. Baptism in Jesus name is despised and couterfeited for the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. Women preachers and pastors are church celebrities. There's Christian leadership bold enough to tell you to go to any church today. While common sense defines wrong and right there's the side of those in Christianity that unbalances salvation with grace only.  Notice in Ephesians 2 the word "works" is used twice.
Once referring to old law during the time of Moses. The second time "works" is used it's referring to new law after the time of Moses.  People can really confuse people with this salvation message. They get double minded preaching grace only salvation and then contridict themselves with common sense salvation that they would call the 10 commandments.
When you try to say "repentance + grace = salvation" they take this as error cause of Ephesians 2:8. Thats as bad as saying 1+2=3 but you dont need 1 to get 3. A math teacher would correct you and if you despise them  they would count you a crazy person for despising them when they are the one that knows what their talking about only. Infidel Christians are like rebelling math students in school. They figure common sense salvation is all thats needed while the rest of the bible is pick and choose and you on your way to heaven. Thats the saddest thing in Christianity but then again every Christian is not a 100% bible believer cause the bible admits and prophesizes this. The hope is built up in unity with other believers that are 100% bible believers. I didnt say 100% perfect Christians. If I'm talking to you lets fulfill Amos 3:3 and 2 Corinthians 6:14-17.

Hope I'm bumping into people that want more than a social circle of frineds to make here. Am I dealing with a real student of the Word that wants more than their Christian experience is with church government? I'm not talking about running for a office really nor being a celebrity of any kind.

Who's really hungry to fulfill all of God's Word? Really want to see a real Amos 3:3 church without philosophers on certain bible topics? Anybody moved in the spirit after reading
Colossians 2:8 and 2 Peter 1:20? How many feel bothered by grace only teachers after reading Romans 6:1? Anybody wondering where the 100% bible believing people are at? Who know a infidel is a infidel if they less than 100%. When I say 100 this is not talking about being perfect its  just talking a complete bible believer or person that dont like a counterfeit dollar bill even if it's 95% real. A better way to put is, you take a stand on Matthew 6:20. You know rebuke not judging cause you take a stand on 2 Timothy 3:16. If the shoe fits you lets be about the Father's business and fulfill Amos 3:3
and 2 Cor. 6:14-17.

That is a possibility. But, if we are both wrong, and blinded by the money gabbers in the back room, then the original question of "what is good" still remains...

Im more concern about falling in a ditch with a infidel leader thats blind. The money crooks will eventually be on the news
and jailed. Matthew 15:14. What's really at stake? Your money or your soul?

Like a credit card or insurance policy if you dont know the terms or agreement with the business deal or offer you find yourself in a mess getting nothing and giving up everything. Its also true in the spiritual world of life. Ephesians 2:8 is a fine eternal plan with security or great insurance. At the same time you have to follow the "business terms" to insure grace in:

(1) Romans 6:1
(2) Acts 2:38
(3) 1 John 1:9

Tradition teaches us to get to heaven by acknowledging grace only salvation. These persuaders claim you'll want to repent of ungodly things because your a believer. At the same time they claim you dont have to repent to go to heaven. This conflicts the 3 verses above. In Corinthians 1:14
it says God is not the author of confusion and he's not but the devil is. These persuaders will contridict themselves and state you have to do the 10 commandments to go to heaven but when it comes to certain bible doctrine you can be a philosopher and private interpreter of what is right and wrong and go to heaven too. This conflicts 2 Timothy 3:16 and
2 Peter 1:20. If your giving tithes and offerings to these infidel ministries your violating God's command in Galations 1:8-9. Your also violating Matthew 15:14 and heading to the Lake of Fire if you don't repent. A child of God needs to know their are tycoon and celebrity people that are infidel leaders on these verses:

Romans 6:1
Acts 2:38
Mark 16:16
Mark 10:11-12
1 Timothy 2:9-12
2 Peter 1:20
2 Timothy 3:16
Hebrews 4:3-11
1 Corinthians 11
1 Corinthians 14
Amos 3:3
2 Corinithians 6:14-17
Galations 1:8-9

Don't you dare tithe another dollar and offering nor fellowship
with the Devil again.

My immediate concern is, are we equally yoked?
2 Corinthians 6:14-17.  Amos 3:3.

Have no primary motive to be a tycoon and celebrity nor debate winner. Certainly not a hater or divider of truth with God's unity. Fake unity is for liers, deceivers and self righteous nonbiblereading Christians only.

Put the Devil or gainsayers to silence with Revelation 12:10.

Lie been told that you can be a philosopher on certain bible topics and still go to heaven cause of God's wonderful grace on the cross for us.

Ephesians 2:8 is used while despising or disregarding
Romans 6:1.

Romans 6:1 is the condition for grace called REPENTANCE.

Since GRACE + REPENTANCE = SALVATION

GRACE - REPENTANCE = Lake of Fire

GRACE - REPENTANCE + PHILOSOPHY = Lake of Fire

2 Peter 1:20 (No private interpretation)
2 Timothy 3:16 (Notice the word "all")

I'm on a mission to fulfill 2 Corinthians 6:14-17 what about
you? Are we equally yoked? Lets see:

Romans 6:1
Mark 16:16
Mark 10:11-12
1 Timothy 2
2 Peter 1:20
Amos 3:3
Hebrews 4
Acts 2:38

hopefully your not after email chat friends here too just
real sheep on a mission for real bible believer unity.

can you take on these verses ?

1 timothy 2:9-12
mark 16:16
romans 6:1

do you believe matthew 15:14 even if you have to leave a
ministry?

feel driven to fulfill 1 cor. 6; amos 3:3 and 2 timothy 3:16?

otherwise Jesus is talking to you in john 8:44.

dont welcome philosophy comments just give the bible verses
your dealing with w/o posting them up here word for word.
that's very stressful when we got users lined up. just ask everybody to have their bible handy here. hope you take this
in love. thank you.

Lets deal with 2 timothy 3:16
Wish people will do me a favor and have their bible handy
when coming to this board. Lets save time and just briefly
write out the scripture verse numbers your referring to. Scrolling the cursor forever with 1 user is very stressful.
Hope you can receive my wish in love. Thank you.

Okay if grace is salvation only then why bother reading the whole bible? We can't outsmart somebody in math or
chemistry if we only know 1 page on the subject. Paul said the foolishness of God is wiser than man. 1 Cor. 1:25. James 2:10 brings out that every part of the law is an influence on your salvation. We never get perfect (Romans  3:23) but
Paul said to pursue perfection (Hebrews 6:1). The same Paul
lets us know we can't be saved off of 1 page only
(1 timothy 3:16).  you cant be a 1 page bible expert and graduate from God's school on salvation successful.  The formula is the same. grace + repentance = salvation. dont welcome any philosophy comments here. stick to the book
and dont type out every verse word for word they got bibles
and we got time to check out other users lined up here.

you present something interesting here. lets consider Jesus
in Matthew 3:15 he's our follower. peter and john urged water baptism and they were prophesied and appointed by the prophet isaiah and Jesus himself. jesus could have rebuke peter and john for doing so. at least jesus rebuked peter twice. once for taking off a man's ear and twice for discouraging Jesus from dieing on the cross. bear in mind that the apostles were on one accord in doctrine. acts 2:43.
its not like are bad as it is today with so called denominations, cults, and split pharisee and saddicee doctrines. during the time in 1 Cor.1 the people were caught up on who was baptizing them so Paul needed to set order in place and tell them he's all about preaching the gospel which deals with water baptism and much more. he merely needed to tell him his sole purpose was not water baptism but rather the preaching of the gospel in general. imagine you going to
country to country as an apostle and people falling out about you baptizing every new believer. that's obviously very stressful. its stressful enough going country to country with the gospel with your life in serious danger. i can bet my life that Paul is not going to fall out with Jesus, John and Peter urging water baptism. To do so is to conflict with Acts 2:43.
even paul said God is not the author of confusion.


1 Corinthians 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. 18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

For Christ sent me not to baptize  WOW!!!

Verse 18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. WOW!!!

This is the ONE Baptism Ephesians 4:5 with 1 Corithians 12:13
NO WATER.

HERE is a list of cults that do not follow Paul today because they require Israel's water baptism for salvation.... Jehovah's Witnesses , Catholics, Mormons, Church of Christ, and others.... who you going to believe? Men or God?

john 3:5

water is water and spirit and spirit.

at the same time we cant despise ephesians 2:8-9.

please note that nobody is a bible expert quoting one good verse alone.

read 2 timothy 2:15
also read 2 timothy 3:16
now read james 2:10

if you have a problem with any of these verses its because
your a child of the devil (john 8:44 & john 10:27)

if you really want to know a judger go to a funeral or listen to
people compliment their friends that have passed away some
time.