Again I refer to Hebrews this time chapter 10 verse 1 - 6.  The spilling of animal blood did not save anyone. It was only a "SHADOW OF THINGS TO COME". It was by faith. Yes, Adam walked by sight with God yet knowing God he failed in faith, disbelieving God, when he disobeyed God and was punished in that failure. It was not the spilling of animal blood that saved anyone as we are very clearly shown in Hebrews but rather in their faith in God and in the things not yet seen (the saving actions of Jesus Christ).

Hi  S F C  , and all Jews  who practiced ATONEMENT ,  had there sins  FORGIVENEN  ans the  HIGH  PRIEST  had  scrifice and  animal for  Israel  ONCE A YEAR !!

 If  Adam  FAILED  IN  FAITH  , why did Christ  kill and and spill blood in Gen 3:21 for  Adam and  Eve  and then  cover Adam and  Eve with their  SKINS   which is a  picture of CHRIST  DEATH !!

dan p

That is definitely a good example. How was anyone saved before the covenant? Why were some under the covenant that were not saved? Why were some that adhered to follow the laws that were not saved? All through scripture from Genesis to Revelations God's word speaks of the importance of faith not works. It tells us in numerous places that we are dead in works yet are righteous through faith in God. It gives example after example of how mankind fails to be righteous through works starting with Adam and Eve. Adam and Eve showed that by works alone they failed in righteousness and were punished accordingly by being thrown out of the garden and thereafter having to face hardships and trials. Starting with Adam and Eve all the way through today salvation is by the grace of God through faith in Him.

Hebrew 11

 Hi  S FOR  CHRIST ,  so then explain how  Adam was saved >

 #1  Adam walked  BY  SIGHT and  Gen 3:8  proves that he  WALKED  by  SIGHT as he walked in the  garden with  CHRIST !

#2 Gen 3:21  shows that  that Christ SPILLED  BLOOD  for  Adam and  Eve !

#3  And then  CHRIST  made  skins to  cover them !

#4  In Gen 3:7  they made and sewed  FIG  LEAVES  to cover their  SIN !

#5  This is where the   BLOOD  SACRIFICE of  WORKS  began , called  ATONEMENT  !!

 #6  ATONEMENT  was part of the  LAW !

 #7 By the  way , Gen 3:21 is in the  Hebew  IMPERFECT  TENSE  and means that ATONEMENT would STOP  and it  stoped  at the  CROSS !

 #8 Heb 9:15  show that those  ATONEMENT  SINS  had to be  PAID  FOR !


dan p

Hi to all and  how are  PASTORS   appointed  SCRIPTUALLY ??

 I would like a  bible  answer ?

Also can they be  DIVORVED  TO  SERVE  as a  Pastor ?

dan p

There is but one Gospel, one and only one way to heaven and that has been true from the beginning. It is by faith and not that of works and that includes the works of the law. To say that there are two programs is to say that there are two Gospels, that there are two ways to heaven. We are told without a doubt that there is one and only one way to heaven and that is through Faith in and through Jesus Christ. Scriptures tells us that those from the very beginning were saved by faith, faith in the hopes of things to come (the Gospel being fulfilled), not of the works and that includes the works of the law. 

Hi S FOR  C  and where did that  GOSPEL  begin in the  OT ?

So how was  Adam then  saved ?

dan p

The book of Romans gives us this answer (especially chapters 9-11).

Hi and  from  2 Cor  13:13 , for Israel not to  gaze towards the end of that being  ABOLISHED !!

 But in verse 15 ,  BUT UNTIL THIS  DAY ,  when  Moses is being  read  ,  a  COVERING lies  upon their  heart .

 Verse  16 reads ,  BUT  WHEN   HE OR  SHE  should  turn towards the  LORD , the  covering is  BEING  TAKEN  AWAY !!

 So here we see that  when  HE  or  SHE  turns to the  LORD  they will be  saved  !!

 Verse 18 is very  TELLING  and why I see 2  programs  RUNNING   AT  THE  SAME  TIME !!

 dan p

Hi to all  many say that the  LAW OPF  MOSES  has been set  aside .

 #1 Many  quote  Paul in  Col  2:14  and  2 Cor 3:14  that prove that !
?

 #3 I say that the OLD  LAW  can still save  Jews  TODAY ?

 # 4 And I say , that this  is the  DISPENSATION  of  GRACE ?

 #5  I say that these 2  PROGRAMS  are  RUNNING  at the  same  TIME !!

 What say you ?

 dan p

When studying this subject we must not put emphasis on just a few verses but rather take into account the entire verses of the subject which is to include all portions that teach on the subject of marriage and/or divorce. We also should not forget that Paul was once a murderer and blasphemer before becoming an apostle and elder.

 Hi and in Phil 3:6  , that under the LAW  , Paul was  BLAMELESS !

 dan p

Wrong verse, Titus 1:7 I believe is the verse that you wanted.

Dan, what if the pastor, elder is a widower??

1 Corinthians 7:8-9  I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, it is good for them if they abide even as I. 9 But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.

1 Timothy 5:14 I will therefore that the younger women marry, bear children, guide the house, give none occasion to the adversary to speak reproachfully

Remarriage after the death of a spouse is absolutely allowed by God, I myself am a widower and have been a pastor.

The first qualification of an elder/deacon/pastor is to be “above reproach” (1 Timothy 3:2). If the divorce and/or remarriage had no biblical grounds, then the man has damaged his testimony in the church and community; the “above reproach” qualification will exclude him from the pastorate rather than the “husband of one wife” requirement. An elder/deacon/pastor is to be a man whom the church and community can look up to as an example of Christlikeness and godly leadership. If a past divorce and/or remarriage detracts from this ideal, then he should not serve in the position of elder/deacon/pastor. It is important to remember that, even though a man is disqualified from serving as an elder/deacon/pastor, he is still a valuable member of the body of Christ. Every Christian possesses spiritual gifts (1 Corinthians 12:4–7) and is called to participate in edifying other believers with those gifts (1 Corinthians 12:7). A man who is disqualified from the position of elder/deacon/pastor can still teach, preach, serve, pray, worship, and play an important role in the church.

However if the divorce happen before he became a Christian, then that does not reflect upon his testimony

Bob

 Hi and I did leave out  Titue  1:6  where it says ONE WIFE .

 I believe that divorce is  possible by 1  Cor 7:15 if an  unbliever would say says I am leaving !

 Do you notice that Titus 1:6  says the  husband  of  ONE  WIFE  and not the other  way  and the ONUS  seems to be on the  HUSBAND .

 I am still looking  for a better answer , IF  there is ONE !

dan p

Hi and we see that Titus says nthat an  ELDER must be the husband of one  WIFE .

 I have seen Pastors and Elders ,  NOT  ALLOWED  ,  to be Pastors or that anyone  SIT  on an  Elder  Board because of a  DIVORCE .

 How do you see it ?

 dan p

Hi to all and in  Luke 16:2 , the word  STEWARDSHIP/OIKONOMIA  is used , in the  GENITIVE CASE  which means the  steward is  in POSSESSION  of that   STEWARDSHIP.

Also in verse 2 we see the  word  STEWARD / OIKONOMEO  and is in the  Greek  PRESENT  TENSE ACTIVE VOICE which means that this  STEWARD   is  CONTINUALLY   a  STEWARD .

Then in verse 3 we  see  THE  STEWARDSHIP / OIKONOMIA or  DISPENSATION  , but in the  ACCUSATIVE  CASE   which  means that  this  DISPENSATION is  LIMITED  to this  STEWARD in verse 3 .

 Then in verse 4 we  see  of the  stewardship  , Translated  DISPENSATION  , but is in the  GENITIVE  CASE  which  means that  STEWARD  is in   POSSESSION  of that DISPENSATION .

 I believe it  speaks to  Israel !

 dan p

  Hi to all and we that in the  generation of  Adam ,   CAIN  is missing  !!

 Why is CAIN   left out  ??

 dan p

 Hi and I say that the reason  CAIN  is left out is because CAIN  did not bring the correct   sacrifice , like  ABEL did ,  a  LAMB !!

CAIN  brought the   WORK  of his hands and  that is  what most people try to do ?

 dan p

 Hi , and the Ephesians verses I believe in , but you have not addressed why the 12 are  In or Out ??

 Gal 3:28 says  Neither Male nor Female , and that means no Americans or those abroad , Lose all Identity in the Body of Christ !!

 dan p

  Hi  and   there are 2  more  verses  that address  the    12  IN  and  12  OUT   question  and are  Col 3:11  and  1 Cor 12:13 !!

 Also  notice that  the Gal 3:28  begins with   "  THERE  can  not Jew  nor  GREEK  and the  Col 3:11 begins with  , " Where  cannot be GREEK and  JEW "   why the  DIFFERENCE ??

dan p

Hi to all and in 1  John 5:7  we read ,  For there are  THREE/ TREIS  that bear  record in  nHEAVEN  .

 Here is how it is  written , and  A-N-P-M  says how they are THREE / TREIS !!

 A  means that  THREE / TREIS  is an  ADJECTIVE and of course  describes it

 N  means it is in the  NOMINATIVE  CASE  which means that  THREE / TREIS  is the subject of the  sentence

 P  means that  THREE / TREIS   is in the  PLURAL

 M  means THREE / TREIS  says that THREE  is  MASCULINE 

dan p

Hi and this is how I see it !

#1  There is only one  God !!

#2 , God can not make another God as  Isa 43:10  , before me there was  no  God  formed , neither shall there be afyter me !!

#3 So Christ creates  man in His  IMAGE !!

 #4  And  Christ dies for  man !!

#5 And all  saved persons that are  saved in the  DISPENSATION  of  GRACE  are  BAPTIZO / PLACED  into the  BODY OF  CHRIST <  1  Cor 12:13  !

#6  When Chist comes  back for the  B O C  , 2  Thess 2:2   He will   TRANSFORM  all  GRACE  BELIEVERS    in  order for  it to  become the  SAME  FORM as the  BODY OF HIS  GLORY  !!

 #6  AS  we  are  "  in  CHRIST  "  and will as  CHRIST  to be   ASSIGNED AND  INHERITANCE  as we  live in the  HEAVENLIES  , Eph 1:11    and we also will  GOVERN  ANGELS in the  HEAVENLIES  1  Cor  6:2 !!

dan p

 

 Hi to all and in  Gen 1:27  it reads  , So God  created man in His  image  , in the  oimage of God  created he  him ,  male  and  female  created he  them !!

   Could Christ  not create  them as  God's  ?

 Why did He  create them  ONLY  in His  IMAGE ?

Christ  could have  saved Himself  from the  cross ??

I believe that  this is a  DISPENSATION  answer , by  Paul ?

 What say you ??

dan p