And  read  Rom 6:3 and 4  , I  believe will help ?

 dan p

In  1  Cor 15:29 Else  , what shall they do which are  baptized  for the  dead , if the  dead rise not at all ?

 Why are they then  baptized  for the  dead ?

 Is this  baptism for the  dead for today ?

 Yes  or  No ?

 I say  YES , that all believer have to be  Baptized for the  dead .

 What say you ??

 dan p

Hi andn this nis bhow I see tha appointment of  PASTORS .

 #1 , I NTim 3:1 reads If anyone  reaches after an  OFFICE ,  he  desires a  good  work .

 #2 , This is what Paul mdid in  Acts 14:23  Paul and the  Elders he had  appointed , They first  PRAYED  , with  FASTING , they committed them to the  Lord in  Whom they had  believed .


 #3 , The  Greek word in WHOM THEY HAD  BELIEVED  is in the  Greek  PLUPERFECT  TENSE , ACTIVE  VOICE and in the  INDICATIVE  MOOD  that verse 23 is a  FACT .

 
#4  We also see in  Acts 20:28  That is the  HOLY  SPIRIT  that made them  OVERSEERS .

 dan p

Hi and in Titus 1:6  it says that the  HUSBAND  / ANER  is in the  Greek  NOMINATIVE CASE  and the  SUBJECT .

 The next Greek word is  OF  ONE / HEIS  is in the  Greek  GENITIVE  CASE ,  points to the description OR POSSESSION  of one  wife

 The next Greek word ,  WIFE / GYNE  is also in the  GENITIVE  CASE

 Some have a hard time explaining away ONE  WIFE  and many  Pastors and  ELDERS  , also !

 dan p

 Hi and some see what are SHADOWS  OF  THINGS  in the bible , BUT  the only one that has written 3 books about of  FIGURES of  SPEECH  USED in the  bible  , is by  E W  Bullinger .   

 You see the  in sight that  really  did have !    I purchased all 3  books and give insight where other do  NOT and can find any FIGURE by BOOK , CHAPTER AND BY VERSE .

 dan p

NO!!!!!!

Christ is the son of God, Paul was the son of mortals, there is no comparison.

That's like comparing Ruth and Esther, Ruth was a Gentile while Esther was a Jewess. Ruth is a young Gentile woman who is brought to live among the Jews and marries a Jew.  Esther is a young Jewish woman who marries a Gentile king. While Ruth shows that God is sovereignly working in the lives of ordinary people.  Esther shows that God is sovereignly working in the lives of the leaders of our world.

You can compare all you want but, your treading on dangerous grounds.

 Hi and let everyone decide for themselves ,  and  we have one  NO  , so far .

 dan p

#1  Both were told by a  crowd of Jews to ,  " TAKE HIM AWAY "

 a Christ --John 19:15  and  Luke 23:18

 b Paul -- Acts 21:36 and Acts 22:22

 #2  Both were  FALSELY accused by the  Jews

 a Christ -- Mark 14:57 , 58  ,64  (  of  BLASPHEMY )

 b  Paul --- Acts 21:28  (  of  PROFANING THE  TEMPLE )


 #3  Both  appeared  before the  SANHEDRIN


 a Christ --Luke  22:63-71

 b Paul ---Acts 23:1-10


 #4 M Both appreared  before the  Roman  Governor who ruled Palestine at that ntime

 a Christ --John 18:28-38  (  PILATE  )

 b  Paul --- Acts 25:6-27   (  FESTUS  )


 #5 Both were declared innocent by the  Governors

 a Christ ---John 18:38

 b Paul ---Acts 25:25


 #6  Both could have been  released

 a Christ ---John 19:10-12

 b  Paul ---Acts 26:32


 #7 The  pulbic ministry of  BOTH  ended when they were  seized by the  Jews


 a  Christ ---John 18:12

 b Paul Acts 21:21:27-30


 Can we  say that Paul was    TYPE  OF  CHRIST ?

 dan p

Hi and I like to hear what anyone else and could have a better interpretation than I !!

 And I do not see anyone else posting anything !!

I am on several other  web sites and was  denied to post anything because I DID NOT BELIEVE IN  WATER  BAPTISM !!

 I have bringing subjects not seen at all , sorry if that seems to offend you !!

 dan p

Dan, the time you want to debate can better be spent working for Jesus

Hi and is this  NOT  a  debate section ,  Shammu ?

 How do you know what I am not  working for Jesus ?

 I believe that I am brought an important subject that needs  debate and that others who read , can decide for themselves !!

 dan p

 Hi and why not debate just one verse in 1 Cor 10:2 ?

Who was the  BAPTIZER  in  1 Cor  10:2 ??

 If there is  ONLY   ONE/HEIS  BAPTISM and if Adam was  saved , was  Adam  Baptized IF  Adam was  saved ?

 O  WELL !!

dan p

All that time spent. As if water baptism, which is simply a declaration of ones faith, were something that would have been a sin if Paul did. Time that would better be put toward peoples salvation instead of arguing the Word.

Hi and why will you say about  Eph 4:5 ?

There are 3  ONE / HEIS !!

 #1  One LORD !

 #2 One FIATH !

 #3 , One BAPTISM !!

 And since there is only  ONE  FAITH  , which one FAITH  are you talking  ABOUT ?
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And since there is  ONLY   ONE  BAPTIMA  , which one are you all  promoting ?

 The one  BAPTIZED   in  Acts 2:38 ?

 Or will you say that the one   BAPTISM  in  1  Cor 10:2  ?

 Or how will you all explain  Acts 19:4  where  the  Greek words  BAPTIZO  and  BAPTISMA  are  used in the  same  verse ?

 Does  ONE / HEIS  mean  ONE ??

 dan p



 

1 Cor 14 I thank God that I did not baptize any of you except Crispus and Gaius, 15 so no one can say that you were baptized in my name.

Let us put this in a more clearer manner. Paul is speaking to them about a division among this group as to who they follow because of who baptized them. We cannot say that Paul "never water baptized" as it clearly said that he baptized Crispus and Gaius of those that he was currently speaking to indicating that he could have water baptized others that were not there. However he is saying that he did not bapitize "in my name" but rather in the Name of the Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit and therefore all should be saying that they are followers of Jesus Christ and not “I follow Paul”, “I follow Apollos”, or “I follow Cephas".

Hi and this is how 1 Cor 1:15 is written and should check the  Greek  text !!

 #1, The  Greek word  ANY / TIS  is in the NOMERATIVE  CASE  of the subject , IF  ANY  should  say !!

 #2 , SHOULD  SAY / EPION  is  controlled  by the  SUJECTIVE MOOD  that some   SHOULD  SAY  ,  I had  baptized  !!

 #3 The  Greek words  I HAD  BAPTIZED /  BAPTIZO  is in Greek  AORIST  Tense ,  ACTIVE  VOICE , and  in the INDICATIVE  MOOD  !!

 The  AORIST tense  means  that  if some one had  , he had  BAPTIZED  . tha he had  BAPTIZED IN THE PAST , is not true and the  INDICATIVE  MOOD  is what said is a FACT  that he did  not  baptize  in PAST  TIME !!

 #4 , The  Greek words  MINE OWN  / EMOS  is in the  ACCUASTIVE  CASE  is in the  DIRECT  OBJECT  that ir is not true !!

 #5  The  Greek  word m NAME / ONOMA  is also in the  ACCUSATIVE  CASE  and that  he is not the  DIRECT OBJECT  of doing water  BAPTISMS !!

 Use  Blue  letter  bible or  Bible  Hub  to check !!

 Check  Acts 19:4  and 6  !

 Acts  19:4  uses mthe  Greek word   BAPTIZO  and  followed bybthe  Greek word  BAPTIMA   in that same  verse !!

 In  Acts 19:3  it uses both  Greek words  BAPTIZO  and  BAPTISMA ,   WHY ??

 In Acts 19:6  HOW  DID  PAUL  BAPTIZE  andmwhy isnthe  Greek  ARTICLE  (  THE  )    not in the  Greek  Text ??

 dan p

1 Cor 14 I thank God that I did not baptize any of you except Crispus and Gaius, 15 so no one can say that you were baptized in my name.

Let us put this in a more clearer manner. Paul is speaking to them about a division among this group as to who they follow because of who baptized them. We cannot say that Paul "never water baptized" as it clearly said that he baptized Crispus and Gaius of those that he was currently speaking to indicating that he could have water baptized others that were not there. However he is saying that he did not bapitize "in my name" but rather in the Name of the Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit and therefore all should be saying that they are followers of Jesus Christ and not “I follow Paul”, “I follow Apollos”, or “I follow Cephas".
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Hi  S F C  and lets begin with  1 Cor 11:1 and there are more verses  than just this one !!  You become  FOLLOWERS /IMITATOR   is in the  Greek  PRESENT  TENSE and  also in the  IMPERATIVE MOOD  of  command , be  IMITATORS of me  Paul  for the  B O C !  And by the  way , YE  IMITATORS  is in the  NOMINATIVE  CASE is the  subject of of this Greek word !!

 #2 , The  Greek word  OF  ME / MOV  is in the  GENTIVE  CASE is the  description  of the head  noun !!

 #3, The  Geek word I ALSO / KAGO  is also in also the  CASE  OF THE  SUBJECT !!

#4 The  Greek word AM OF  CHRIST / CHRISTOS  is  in the  GENITIVE  CASE  is the  Description and you can  google all these  CASE !

 And will shortly explain CRISPUS  and  if you study  Acts 18:7 and 8 gives a  clear explanation !!

Look at Eph 4:4 One  Lord , One  Faith , ONE  BAPTISM , see the Greek text and you will find that Greek  word is  NOT  BAPTIZO / BAPTISM  but the  Greek word  BAPTISMA !!

dan p

Hi to all and am on other Christian  Forums  and some believe that Paul  did  WATER  BAPTIZED  !!

 I say Paul  never  WATER  BAPTIZED  ,  so what say you ??

 dan p

 Hi and the  answer is found in 1  Cor 1:15  , Lest anyone should  SAY  that  I Baptized for  my  NAME !!

 The  Greek word for  NAME / ONOMA  is in the  Greek  ACCUSATIVE  CASE  and means Paul had to ORIGINATE WATER  BAPTISM , which Paul nevermdid  water  Baptize !!

The  Greek word  MY  is  EMPHATIC  which means he did NOT  WATER  BAPTIZE !!

 All baptisms were were in the  nbame of the  FATHER , THE  SON AND THE  HOLY SPIRIT ,  Matt 28: 19 or in the  NAME  of the  LORD  JESUS , Acts 19: 5  and notice that the  word   NAME  is in the  ACCUSATIVE  CASE  and means it is  LIMITED  to only God's  NAME !!

 dan p

Note!

This is intended as a reply to a rebuttal made by JUDGE NOT to a posting made by JABEZ  "Was Jesus God?"

I'm new to this site and didn't see any way to respond in a more direct manner!


It seems strange responding to a rebuttal that was posted Jan 12, 2004, but with such a flagrant disregard for the TRUTH, I cannot in good conscience, sit back and remain silent!  As JUDGE  NOT seeks to prove the Divinity of Christ he states,

 

Another example – only God can forgive sins.  Jesus forgives sins.  Thus, again, Jesus is God.

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Sadly, this line of reasoning has more holes in it than a fishnet, for it is built upon the false assumption that only God can forgive sins,  therefore any conclusions built upon this false assumption will not be valid!

 

who can forgive sins but God only?


 The Bible does not say this, or even imply it!

 

But what about Mark 2:7

 

Mark 2:7 (King James Version)

Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies?

who can forgive sins but God only?
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If we would look at this in it's proper context,  in verse 6 we learn that it was certain Scribes who reasoned this within their hearts!  Jesus perceived these thoughts and responded appropriately, proving that He,  as the Son of man, hath power on earth to forgive sins!  See verse 10

 

 Consider Also,



Matthew 6:12 (King James Version)


 

And forgive us our debts,

as we forgive our debtors.

see also Luke 11:4



Of all that is contained within the "Lord's Prayer"  the only portion that the Lord places added emphasis on is


Matthew 6:14-15 (King James Version)

For if ye forgive men their trespasses,

your heavenly Father will also forgive you:

15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses,

neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

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Matthew 18:35 (King James Version)
 So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.


Mark 11:25 (King James Version)
And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses.


Mark 11:26 (King James Version)
 But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.


Luke 17:4 (King James Version)
 And if he trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him.



Matthew 16:19 (King James Version)


 

And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven:

 and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven:

and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

John 20:20-23 (King James Version)


 21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you. 22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost: 23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.


The remission or retention of sins are but specific applications of Binding and Loosing and it is something that is given to every member of the Body of Christ, and not just to a few Apostles, Bishops, and other types of Clergy Persons!


Conclusion,



I firmly believe in the Divinity of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, but to try and prove this this based on a faulty line of reasoning does not edify the Body of Christ or advance the Kingdom of God!



Your Brother in Christ



Hugh MANN

Hi and John 20:22   Jesus  breathed on  them , and  saith  unto them ,  RECEIVE ye HOLY  SPIRIT !

The  Greek text does  not say  RECEIVE  MYE  (  THE )  HOLY SPIRIT  and the word  in  BRACKETS  ( THE )  is  Not in the  Greek  text ,  period  !!

Just look for the word   THE  in STONG'S  DICTIONARY AND YOU WILL NOT FIND  IT !!

 With out the Greek   ARICLE  ( THE  )   IT means Jesus  breathed unto them the  POWER of HOLY  SPIRIT  to  REMIT  SINS !!

 In  verse 22  most of the Greek words   THIS / TOUTO , and  HOLY / HAGIOS  and  SPIRT/ PNEUMA  are all in the  ACCUSATIVE  CASE !!

 In verse 23 , the  Greek word   UNTO THEM / AUTOS  is in the  Greek  DATIVE  CASE !!

 And the  Greek word  THEY ARE  RETAINED   is in the  Greek  PERFECT  TENS ,  PASSIVE  , and in the  INDICATIVE  MODD  and this means it is a  FACT !!

dan p